[Mailman-Developers] Don't trust X-No-Archive to keep your secrets.

2015-02-12 Thread J.B. Nicholson-Owens
Andrew Daviel wrote: I found X-No-Archive in wikipedia that was apparently honored by google when archiving usenet. Keep in mind that all archivers probably archive the message anyway but might treat X-No-Archive: yes as a cue to not release that message to public queries. In other words,

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Support for X-No-Archive

2015-02-12 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Mark Sapiro writes: As I posted earlier Mailman does not archive a message with an X-No-Archive: header. It doesn't look at the content which could be yes, no, empty or anything else. This is deliberate. Yes, I understand that, and the fact that the code uses .has_key makes it clear that

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Support for X-No-Archive

2015-02-12 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Andrew Daviel writes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-No-Archive says If the X-No-Archive field is set to No, or the field is absent, a Usenet archive will not recognize a prohibition on archiving the message. Experimentally, if I add X-No-Archive: no in Alpine or Thunderbird,

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Support for X-No-Archive

2015-02-12 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 02/12/2015 12:28 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Andrew Daviel writes: Experimentally, if I add X-No-Archive: no in Alpine or Thunderbird, pipermail will not archive the message, Do you consider that a bug? I'm not sure why anybody would use X-No-Archive: no in reality, I

[Mailman-Developers] Date normalization - opinions sought

2015-02-12 Thread Andrew Stuart
Does Mailman normalize dates on emails to UTC? It seems like a good idea to me to normalise dates on emails to UTC but you guys would know best. What would be the pros and cons of email date normalisation to UTC? Are there good reasons not to? Which date field on an email is even the right

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Don't trust X-No-Archive to keep your secrets.

2015-02-12 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Feb 12, 2015, at 12:50 PM, J.B. Nicholson-Owens wrote: I believe this is the case for two reasons: 1. Structurally: Few search engine companies will throw away an opportunity to collect data when there's so much for that organization to gain by indexing that data. 2. Specific to Google: When

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Support for X-No-Archive

2015-02-12 Thread Andrew Daviel
On Thu, 12 Feb 2015, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Andrew Daviel writes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-No-Archive says If the X-No-Archive field is set to No, or the field is absent, a Usenet archive will not recognize a prohibition on archiving the message. Experimentally, if I add

[Mailman-Developers] Don't trust X-No-Archive to keep your secrets.

2015-02-12 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
J.B. Nicholson-Owens writes: Overall, I think people are better off understanding that their boilerplate is not binding on most people (if anyone) and they need to be more careful in what they send. I don't think anyone here disagrees. On the other hand, people *do* have an expectation of

[Mailman-Developers] Getting error with the tests mailman3 core

2015-02-12 Thread Aanand Shekhar Roy
Hi, I am working on bug #967951.Following is the diff file for my changes. http://pastebin.com/x7LMiTCR I am getting the following error on running the tests. http://pastebin.com/NFU3Gbrc Can someone please help as i unable to understand why i am getting these errors! Any help would be

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Date normalization - opinions sought

2015-02-12 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Feb 12, 2015, at 11:09 PM, Andrew Stuart wrote: Does Mailman normalize dates on emails to UTC? I'm not sure which dates you mean. Are you asking whether Mailman should modify the Date header on emails? Definitely not. :) Ideally I do think any internal dates gathered from external sources

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Support for X-No-Archive

2015-02-12 Thread Joshua Cranmer 
On 2/11/2015 7:37 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Only because it already has, except for the RFC, and http://people.dsv.su.se/~jpalme/ietf/ietf-mail-attributes.html mentions the definition of X-No-Archive: Yes. In practice, I believe most of the standard (Mailman's Pipermail[1],

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Support for X-No-Archive

2015-02-12 Thread Jeff Breidenbach
I checked and these two lists are responsible. One uses 'No' and the other uses 'no' for every message. I can't speak to the intention. There are an impressive number of headers on each message including DKIM but I don't see a clue as to the list server software.