A report in today’s Politico sheds further light on why Wall Street is holding
its nose and deserting the business-friendly Biden administration for the more
business-friendly Republicans - even under Trump, an unpredictable candidate
with authoritarian tendencies.
"Many high-dollar donors
On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 06:02 PM, John Edmundson wrote:
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> I'd have been tempted to vote for one of the Marxist parties but I'd have
> needed to read up on them to know which. I don't think I'd have voted for
> the Congress Party.
The CPI, CPI (M), CPI (ML), and smaller left-wing parties all
On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 04:10 PM, Mark Baugher wrote:
>
> I addressed that in the second paragraph of my short note
True, you said "freeing Syrotiuk is important", but you also made it contingent
on " strengthening democratic workers organizations in Ukraine...in their
effort to counter
Doug Henwood's excellent podcast has an interesting interview today with
Siddhartha Deb, author of a new book on The Rise of the Hindu Right in India,
talking among other things about Narendra Modi's poor showing in the recent
elections. Don't know if Doug still subscribes to this list.
On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 01:26 PM, Mark Baugher wrote:
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> How should we do that, Marv, without providing support to the Russia
> invasion? It's often difficult to discern Ukrainian coverage in the WSWS
> from Russian propaganda initiatives. Including Putin's lies about
> Ukrainian fascists.
At
Despite the incessant propaganda aimed at them by politicians and the corporate
media, most Americans and Western Europeans favour ending rather than
escalating the war in Ukraine. A survey released this week by the pro-Western
Institute for Global Affairs says “there is broad transatlantic
The reason for the ban:
"The decision to ban the WSWS is a response to the outpouring of support within
Ukraine and internationally for Bogdan Syrotiuk (
https://www.wsws.org/freebogdan ) , a 25-year-old socialist internationalist
who was arrested by the Zelensky regime on April 25 on trumped
On Mon, Jun 3, 2024 at 10:02 AM, Mark Baugher wrote:
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>
>> "Amira Hass, who has always been well respected on the anti-Zionist left
>> in Palestine and abroad,"
>
> I don't know about her reputation, but her body of reporting work at
> Haaretz is very good IMHO.
On Mon, Jun 3, 2024 at 12:06 AM, Michael Karadjis wrote:
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> The struggle won't end here, but again I think I agree with David any new
> advances for Palestine will depend a great deal on the advance of
> revolution in the region as a whole. The smashing of the Arab Spring is a
> much bigger
On Sun, Jun 2, 2024 at 07:03 PM, Michael Karadjis wrote:
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> SA, Northern Ireland and Palestine are/were colonial-settler states or
> regimes; the first three you mention were fighting either a neocolonial
> regime or an invading imperialist power (or both).
Thanks, Michael. What you say about
Omar and Haas tend to respectively counterpose armed struggle to mass civil
disobedience which IMO is a false juxtaposition. I don’t know of any socialist
or national liberation movement that succeeded without relying on armed
struggle complemented by non-violent forms of civilian mass
Was Hamas’ military incursion into Israel last October productive or
counter-productive? The issue has bedevilled and divided the pro-Palestinian
left since.
In Mondoweiss earlier this week, Abdaljamad Omar of Birzeit University
suggested that left-wing criticism of Hamas as a socially
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Probably a dead heat between Walton and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar as basketball
greats and political radicals, no?
Great piece of writing your Nickels and Dimes, BTW. You missed your calling as
a novelist.
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The always interesting Adam Tooze has a detailed look at Israel’s economic
interest in a conquered Gaza in his latest blog post. The Netanyahu government
this month unveiled its long-range plan to construct an Israeli-dominated
The always interesting Adam Tooze has a detailed look at Israel’s economic
interest in a conquered Gaza in his latest blog post. The Netanyahu government
this month unveiled its long-range plan to construct an Israeli-dominated
metropolis and free trade zone on the flattened territory which
On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 05:31 PM, Michael Meeropol wrote:
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> How about "Israeli policy is BAD FOR THE JEWS!"
>From Mondoweiss a couple of days ago, " Official Jewish blinders to genocide
>are a danger to Jews":
Seems the hurt feelings belong to Charlie for my once having called him a salon
Bolshevik trying to pass himself off as having been a blue collar trade
unionist.
https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/29082
I haven't any other explanation for his incessant bizarre sniping.
The anger over Israel’s genocidal war in Gaza has made the Palestine solidarity
movement less welcoming of young liberal Jews who may be upset by Israel’s
massacre of Palestinians but who have not rejected Zionism. A popular chant on
the regular weekly march in my city is “hear us loud and
On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 07:47 AM, hari kumar wrote:
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> Charlie has commented on the over-capacity in the Chinese market and
> excess goods.
"Overcapacity" is not always dumping, and is frequently invoked as
justification for protectionist policies against price competition from a more
On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 06:22 AM, Michael Meeropol wrote:
>
> Reading the information about Chinese workers engaging in (very dangerous)
> acts of resistance suggests a possible parallel ---
>
> American Slavery (in the US)
>
A closer parallel would be the early period of labour unrest before
On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 07:22 PM, Travis Reid wrote:
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> The key words are "democratic rights" of which there is little in China,
> where workers cannot organize and withhold production for better pay and
> working conditions.
True. But it is only in the advanced capitalist democracies that
Mark, you may the only one on the list who took my comment seriously. I found
Charlie's concern for democratic rights touching in view of his enthusiastic
support for Mao and Stalin whose regimes, rest assured, I do not consider to
have been exemplars of proletarian democracy. Neither is Xi's,
On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 03:39 PM, Charlie wrote:
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> You gotta be kidding
I am kidding. Like you, I believe Mao's China and Stalin's Soviet Union were
the closest approximation to proletarian democracy the world has ever seen, and
such limited but necessary repression which existed was
On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 12:37 PM, Charlie wrote:
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> China today is the first capitalist country to carry out most of its
> industrialization after a socialist period. Yes, that affects the form of
> Chinese capitalism. It is more vicious and more repressive than classic
> bourgeois democracies.
On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 08:47 AM, Charlie wrote:
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> Michael Roberts is full of positive features in his "explanation" of
> China's success at monopoly capitalism.
Charlie and most others on the list insist China is capitalist, so I must
consider it as well. If so, it is indisputably the most
More here on the historic bipartisan US turn to protectionism, strikingly
represented by the increased tariffs on Chinese green goods - notably on EV’s,
but also on lithium-ion batteries, critical minerals, and solar cells:
https://www.phenomenalworld.org/analysis/great-green-wall/
While most
Tooze isn't a Marxist, but he's an outstanding economic historian. Much to
value in his Wages of Destruction (Nazi war economy), Deluge (interwar period)
and Crashed (the 2008-9 financial crisis).
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The New Left Review’s Lily Lynch comments on its blog about the shooting of
Slovakian Prime Minister Robert Fico by a lone gunman whose motives remain
unclear. The Western propaganda mill has expressed little regret about the
shooting, characteristically dismissing Fico as a pro-Russian stooge
Fascinating essay, although it isn’t difficult to see the contemporary
parallels in Israel and the US, and not surprising that fascist ideology also
attracted German nationalists of Jewish origin in the 30’s. More young
bourgeois German Jews would have joined the Nazis but for the race laws.
On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 11:06 PM, hari kumar cited:
>
> "This research was focused mainly on the development of capitalism. It
> proposes more specifically an interpretation of the long waves in economic
> activity, awarding an essential role to the institutional changes that
> have punctuated
On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 07:29 AM, Walter Daum wrote:
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> Well, but China’s cheaper goods are a product not just of better
> organization or technology but of considerably cheaper labor. The most
> advanced production is a threat not only to rival capitalists but to the
> working class. Western
On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 07:07 AM, Mark Baugher wrote:
>
> Do you think the US government would place a tariff on Apple products
> during a presidential election year? Or ever?
No. But there are no Chinese EV's in the US. If there were, and they were in
demand as they would be because of
A broad survey of the issue here by the neoliberal economist Noah Smith:
https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/the-big-tariffs-are-here?publication_id=35345_id=144610405=false=d0v=true_source=substack_medium=email
Smith concurs that " in order to have domestic manufacturing available for
military
Like many sects on the isolated Marxist left, the World Socialist Web Site
(WSWS), online organ of the US Socialist Equality Party, combines boilerplate
revolutionary rhetoric with often sound analysis from an historical materialist
perspective. It’s article lambasting the Biden
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‘Turning Point in Energy History’ as Solar, Wind Start Pushing Fossil Fuels Off
the Grid
By Mitchell Beer
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May 9 2024
Solar and wind energy grew quickly enough in 2023 to push renewables up to 30%
of
‘Turning Point in Energy History’ as Solar, Wind Start Pushing Fossil Fuels Off
the Grid
By Mitchell Beer
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May 9 2024
Solar and wind energy grew quickly enough in 2023 to push renewables up to 30%
of global electricity supply and begin pushing fossil fuels off the power grid,
the
This thread can be summed up as follows:
The good news is that many workers, including unionized workers, have finally
broken with the Democratic party, as we hoped.
The bad news is...
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On Sun, May 5, 2024 at 02:11 PM, Mark Baugher wrote:
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> I'm not sure, Michael, why capitalist China would do any better than
> capitalist USA? Millions of people died during the Cultural Revolution and
> millions more in the Great Leap Forward. I'm not saying I think you're
> wrong. I'm just
A featured article in the current issue of Foreign Affairs by two Dartmouth
political scientists refutes the notion widely held across the political
spectrum that Russia and especially China are now on par with US imperialism in
a new multipolar world order. Some on the Marxist left, harkening
On Sat, May 4, 2024 at 07:18 AM, Mark Baugher wrote:
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> MM's article also illustrates the general process of isolating the left by
> shifting the population to the right, leaving the activists with little
> popular support, and then persecuting them to eliminate the threat they
> pose to the
On Sat, May 4, 2024 at 04:32 PM, Charlie wrote:
>
> Marv asserts, "the working class masses ... identify the Democratic,
> Labour and other left-centre parties with the advent of the welfare state
> and the conservative parties with having resisted it and wanting it
> dismantled." Another
On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 09:24 PM, John Edmundson wrote:
>
> We've had 100 years of failure by these parties. Yet people still want us
> to support them. Why?
The short answer is because the working class masses still prefer them to the
right-wing parties which they view as the greater threat to
Branco Milanovic considers why university administrators would attack their own
students: "Are they some evil individuals who love to beat up younger people?”
"The answer is, No. They are not. They are just in a wrong job. They are not
seeing their role as what traditionally was the role of
On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 04:26 PM, John Edmundson wrote:
>
> I sense Lenin spinning in his grave every time a Marxist says 'Vote Biden'
> or 'Vote Democrat", or 'Vote Labour'. The rope stopped supporting the
> hanging man a century ago.
A reminder that conditions were somewhat different then,
Alarm continues to mount about the risk of accidental nuclear war resulting
from the rapid and largely uncontrolled development of artificial intelligence
Prompted by the war in Ukraine and other conflicts between the major nuclear
powers, the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists moved its Doomsday
The US and its European allies are torn between their short-term and long-term
interests in deciding what to do with $300 billion of Russian reserves frozen
since the invasion of Ukraine in 2022. They are aching to confiscate the
Russian assets to fund the Ukrainian war effort and economy but
> https://www.democracynow.org/2024/4/24/naomi_klein_seder?utm_source=Democracy+Now%21_campaign=9573552723-Daily_Digest_COPY_01_medium=email_term=0_fa2346a853-9573552723-193096760
>
> Naomi Klein: Jews Must Raise Their Voices for Palestine, Oppose the “False
> Idol of Zionism”
> Thousands of
This report issued last week by Brown University goes into much greater detail
about how " the center of America’s military-industrial complex has been slowly
shifting...to Silicon Valley” to develop " costly, high- tech products that are
ineffective, unpredictable, and unsafe when deployed in
Thanks, Hari. Here is the link to a rousing rendition of el pueblo unido from
the Chilean folk music ensemble Inti-Illimani which was performed at a mass
rally in Santiago in the 2019 campaign against the Pinochet constitution. The
group had became widely popular in the mass movement which
It was less intended to be cute, Charlie, than to make a point regarding the
great discrepancy in military power reflected in the US military presence six
miles off the Chinese coast. No one can predict what the next decade will
bring, although we can say with some confidence that China won’t
On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 03:22 PM, Dayne Goodwin wrote:
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> Despite the importance attached to Bucha by Bennett, Arakhamia and
> Arestovich, none of the “campists” mention it – except for that one
> dismissive reference by Marcetic (see above). They live in a fantasy world
> where Russian
On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 01:36 PM, Vladimiro Giacche' wrote:
>
> it’s simply a way to highlight which superpower afford by far the most in
> terms of military spending and has deployed the by far overwhelming
> military forces around the world.
PRC president and chair of the Central Military
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Military spending as a percentage of GDP is hardly a reliable indicator of
military power. According to the most recent figures compiled by the Stockholm
International Peace Research Institute, Ukraine’s $44b in military expenditures
(not
Military spending as a percentage of GNP is hardly a reliable indicator of
military power. According to the most recent figures compiled by the Stockholm
International Peace Research Institute, Ukraine’s $44b in military expenditures
(not including the aid provided to it by the US and its
On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 03:28 PM, Mark Baugher wrote:
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> Saying that the deal was abandoned after Boris Johnson's visit is to state
> a correlation that says nothing about the causes, which we're interested
> in knowing. The implication is that the Ukrainians have no agency of their
> own but
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Interesting piece in today’s Washington Post by Marc Thiessen, former
speechwriter for George W. Bush and fellow of the American Enterprise
Institute, designed to pressure congressional Republicans delaying passage of
the Ukrainian aid bill by
Interesting piece in today’s Washington Post by Marc Thiessen, former
speechwriter for George W. Bush and fellow of the American Enterprise unit,
designed to pressure congressional Republicans delaying passage of the
Ukrainian aid bill by identifying the dependence of their home districts on
Messrs. Reimann and Derwin don’t seem to appreciate that the latest allegations
about NATO’s role come from a Rand Corporation analyst and a Cold War historian
who have impeccable pro-Ukrainian and anti-Russian credentials. They mainly
based their findings on interviews with David Arakhamia and
On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 11:21 AM, David Walters wrote:
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> I would argue that Louis operated the list at a low level of "terrorism"
> with people walking on egg shells not to piss him off. I'm GLAD we moved
> away from that.
Louis and I had frequent political disagreements but to his credit he
The Naked Capitalism website recently referred to this Jerusalem Post article.
I don’t know if it reflects the thinking of the Chabad or some other screwball
religious sect, but the scriptural references to Iran as “Amalek” and the need
to sacrifice red cows to purify the al-Aqsa mosque has
On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 11:54 AM, Mark Baugher wrote:
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> "NATO vs Russia" describes the war in terms of two camps whereas "Russia
> vs Ukraine" describes a war against the expansion of an empire.
Your quarrel in this case is with Carrap and Radchenko, Mark. I avoid what
would be construed on
I’ve long maintained that it's primarly a conflict between NATO and Russia with
Ukraine as a de facto NATO forward base, Mark. That’s no secret and I’m not
alone in that belief. I do think Ukraine within this context has had some
agency in the matter, as you put it, which is why I drew
In what very much sounds like a signal for beleaguered Ukraine, with NATO
backing, to propose a ceasefire and renewed peace negotiations with Russia, a
lead article in today’s online Foreign Affairs reminds Western decision-makers
that less than two months into the war, agreement was reached
On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 04:39 AM, Michael Meeropol wrote:
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> Biden is TRYING to get Israel to "take the win" but unless he threatens a
> real cut-off in aid, I think Netanyahu will continue trying to provoke a
> REAL war --
As neocon John Bolton told the execrable Wolf Blitzer on CNN yesterday
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Three lines of thought have emerged:
1. The strikes were failures, exposing Iran’s limited deterrent capabilities
and restoring Israel’s reputation as the dominant military power in the region
and underscoring the support it continues to enjoy from
Three lines of thought have emerged:
1. The strikes were failures, exposing Iran’s limited deterrent capabilities
and restoring Israel’s reputation as the dominant military power in the region
and underscoring the support it continues to enjoy from the US and the Arab
states, notwithstanding
The Jordanian air force reportedly also participated, and the US and Israel
have apparently been buoyed by the quiet support of their other Arab "partners".
https://www.dw.com/en/why-did-some-arab-countries-appear-to-help-israel/a-68815074
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Interesting, BTW, how those reclaiming Stoicism have shaped it to conform to
capitalist ideology. As the reviewer Athitakis notes, "cafeteria Stoicism has
become diluted into the language of go-get-’em motivational speech...Tuitert’s
workbook is more about the mind-set for high achievement — go
The latest rendition of an old theme: How to cope as an individual with daily
life under capitalism while contributing to a flourishing motivational coaching
industry. “We’re flooded with Stoic books”, writes Mark Athiikais, " it’s
arguably America’s leading nonreligious doctrine.”
On Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 02:01 PM, hari kumar wrote:
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> there had clearly been progress for the masses. But the number of slums in
> the city. and the condition of the ex-peasant moved into the city was
> pretty poor.
Sure, Hari. But could you not say the same about the USSR in the 30's? I
On Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 01:30 PM, hari kumar wrote:
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> I hope that the final sentence of that para - namely "was it worth it?" -
> is purely a rhetorical device?...if not - you must be in a severe period
> of self-doubt...long time spans are needed to effect changes in
> societies...we appear
On Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 11:27 AM, Walter Daum wrote:
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> The Chinese revolution, earth-shaking and partially emancipatory though it
> was, was not made by the working class and did not put the working class
> in charge of the state. The revolutionary Chinese state eventually called
> itself
On Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 09:01 AM, hari kumar wrote:
>
> will first of all say that some of the ground here was - as you have noted
> also - been covered in a series of correspondences in Marxmail
> earlier...That raises the basic Marxist question, what is the ruling
> class?" My argument there
On Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 09:03 AM, hari kumar wrote:
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> Mao Tse-tung held that this united front against Japanese imperialism
> should include not merely the urban national bourgeoisie, but also the
> rural national bourgeoisie, the rich peasants. To achieve this front, Mao
> made several
More food for thought for Hari et al:
The fight for democratic rights, greater spending on social needs, and public
ownership of industries has met with some success, but for those of us who have
coupled such agitation for reform with revolutionary propaganda, the latter
efforts have proven to
Agree with your reply about the Beveridge reforms, Hari - and, by extension,
all reforms in the advanced capitalist countries which must necessarily must
also be of benefit to the ruling class if they are to be implemented at least
in part by the state.
The answer I'm looking for more relates
Thanks for your reply, Hari. Just saw it after posting my last, so I'll have a
closer look to see if yours addresses the further issues I raised.
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As mentioned, this discussion and related other ones on the list call into
question why many of us spent a lifetime organizing and agitating for public
ownership of our economies and defending the USSR, the PRC, Vietnam, Cuba,
Nicaragua etc. from US imperialism. If all we have to show for the
On Wed, Mar 27, 2024 at 12:21 AM, dan wrote:
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> Figure 2. SOE shares among countries’ top ten firms (%)
We’re left to conclude from this list that the PRC’s economic system is
indistinguishable from that of the UAE, Indonesia, Malaysia, Russia, Saudi
Arabia, and India. Also, that these seven
On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 02:48 PM, Charlie wrote:
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> Private shareholders are only allowed to own minority stakes, as I
> indicated [no, you did not indicate].
I don't normally bother to reply to Charlie's tiresome charges of dishonesty,
but for the record, I stated above:
On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 11:58 AM, hari kumar wrote:
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> Still trying to understand your position.
> It seems that you do not accept that the Sate is the executive body of the
> ruling class - which in the USA - represents the leading top fraction of
> private owners of society.
Rest assured,
On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 12:47 PM, Charlie wrote:
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> The state owns the great majority of the shares of these banks.
Correct. Private shareholders are only allowed to own minority stakes, as I
indicated. That's what distinguishes state from private ownership and control
of the financial
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On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 10:25 AM, hari kumar wrote:
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> I mean who "owns and controls" either NY bourse or the Federal Reserve?
> The inverted statement would run then as:
> "In an age of finance capitalism, what significance to attach to the fact
>
On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 10:25 AM, hari kumar wrote:
>
> I mean who "owns and controls" either NY bourse or the Federal Reserve?
> The inverted statement would run then as:
> "In an age of finance capitalism, what significance to attach to the fact
> that America's financial system is state
In an age of finance capitalism, what significance to attach to the fact that
China’s financial system is state-owned and controlled? The key hallmark of
modern capitalist society is private ownership of the financial industry. If
private shareholders were to acquire a majority stake in China’s
An encouraging report in yesterday’s Wall Street Journal about how Israel’s
campaign in Gaza is bogging down. The fact that it appears in the WSJ, a
right-wing pro-Israel publication rather than a pro-Palestinian outlet, adds to
its credibility. The discouraging aspect is that prolongation of
A recent commentary by Greg Godels which appeared yesterday on the
Marxism-Leninism Today site, explores the question of "People’s China: What
Lies Ahead?”. With Michael Roberts, John Smith and others on the Marxist left,
Godels says “the question remains open” as to whether the PRC is
I was also initially confused, Hari, by what seem like contradictory findings
in the survey. The reporting is somewhat convoluted. But on a closer reading of
the summary and the data, the results seem to indicate:
1. There has been an 11 point slide in Hamas' popularity since the last poll
A new poll conducted March 5-10 by the reputable Ramallah-based Palestinian
Center for Policy and Survey Research (PCPSR) shows "Gazans’ support for
continued Hamas control over the Gaza Strip has increased to more than 50%, a
14-point rise.”
"Indeed, given the magnitude of the suffering in
Yes, it was sung in Arabic on that one occasion.
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On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 10:34 AM, Mark Baugher wrote:
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> You have created a straw man, Marv. No one said that Hamas leadership
> ordered abuses.
I inferred that from your earlier statement that " it would be fruitless to
argue that a *stated strategy* of attacking children and their families
Our experience in Victoria, capital of British Columbia, is the same. The
demonstrators are far more numerous than the Zionists and have consistently
turned out every week to rally at the Legislature and then to march through the
downtown. They're mainly youthful, which is great to see, but
On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 10:28 PM, Mark Baugher wrote:
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> It's a long article. I thought this was explanatory: "Hamas first began
> suicide attacks specifically targeting civilians in response to the Cave
> of the Patriarchs massacre carried out by the American-Israeli settler
> Baruch Goldstein
That's a fair summary, Hari. I've stressed the NATO context in (1), condemned
the invasion as counterproductive ("adventurist") for strengthening the
NATO-Ukraine alliance in (2), and don't view Russia and China as expansionist
imperialist powers in (3), but as reacting defensively to US
On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 07:33 PM, David Walters wrote:
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> Like my opposition to terrorism from a Marxist perspective, it leaves the
> "struggle" in the hand of militants and doesn't involve the masses of
> those oppressed.
David, I too wish the PDFLP under Hawatmeh rather than Hamas had
On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 05:34 PM, Mark Baugher wrote:
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> It is a stated Hamas policy... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas provides
> 500+ citations. I recently read an Haaretz editorial emphasizing that the
> policy of attacking civilians is well known...
This is the only reference I could
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