Re: [MediaWiki-l] Introducing the MediaWiki Platform Team!

2017-04-04 Thread Eddie Greiner-Petter
Hey Pine, you're likely not logged in, the link is working fine for me - unless when I log out, which will get me this 404 message. It seems that Phabricator events are open to "All Users" (everybody logged in) by default, but not "Public" (including not logged in users). At the moment that needs

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Introducing the MediaWiki Platform Team!

2017-04-04 Thread Pine W
Hi Mark, Your second link goes to a 404 with the very Zen message, "Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment." By the way, I'd be interested in reading your WMCON report, and I might want to join the MW user group this summer. Do you have

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Introducing the MediaWiki Platform Team!

2017-04-04 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
Jasmine Smith writes: > I don't feel like the WMFs goal to openly share knowledge applies in > these cases, and development of MediaWiki isn't to support the wider > community of users. You should come join us (the MediaWiki Stakeholders). We have a room on

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Introducing the MediaWiki Platform Team!

2017-04-04 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
Victoria Coleman writes: > I am pleased to share with you the news about the formation of the > latest team in the Technology department, the MediaWiki Platform > team![1] Thank you! > * Assist and encourage development of features for MediaWiki by > providing

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Introducing the MediaWiki Platform Team!

2017-04-04 Thread Jeroen De Dauw
Hey, I'd like to clarify two points about my previous email: 1. it is purely my own personal opinion. It is loose from any of the MediaWiki related projects I am "involved" with. 2. The questions I asked are not meant as criticism on the concept of having a core platform team, treating

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Introducing the MediaWiki Platform Team!

2017-04-03 Thread Tim Starling
I think that given the interests of the team members, we have a good chance of improving support for non-WMF users. Brion and I spent countless hours as volunteers in the early days, working to make MediaWiki into a viable installable product. Brion wrote the first web installer, and I wrote most

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Introducing the MediaWiki Platform Team!

2017-04-03 Thread Markus Glaser
i-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Betreff: Re: [MediaWiki-l] Introducing the MediaWiki Platform Team! He brion, Maybe there could some day be a program, where an external company could propose items to place on the roadmap, with the promise that they will deliver a developer to collaborate on that item if the pl

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Introducing the MediaWiki Platform Team!

2017-04-03 Thread florian.schmidt.wel...@t-online.de
by the new platform team (or even volunteers) :) so, don't ask for features, write them yourself! (Don't vote me on that :P) Best, Florian -Original Message- Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2017 21:43:29 +0200 Subject: Re: [MediaWiki-l] Introducing the MediaWiki Platform Team! From: Jasmine Smit

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Introducing the MediaWiki Platform Team!

2017-04-03 Thread K. Peachey
On 4 April 2017 at 05:43, Jasmine Smith wrote: > Question, will the 'new features' mainly benefit the wider MediaWiki > community or the wikimedia foundation? > > Are site owners able to request features? > > Jasmine. Site owners have always been able to suggest new

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Introducing the MediaWiki Platform Team!

2017-04-03 Thread Derk-Jan Hartman
He brion, Maybe there could some day be a program, where an external company could propose items to place on the roadmap, with the promise that they will deliver a developer to collaborate on that item if the platform chooses to prioritize it. Like a Community tech wishlist in exchange for mutual

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Introducing the MediaWiki Platform Team!

2017-04-03 Thread Jasmine Smith
Question, will the 'new features' mainly benefit the wider MediaWiki community or the wikimedia foundation? Are site owners able to request features? Jasmine. > On 3 Apr 2017, at 07:16 pm, "Victoria Coleman" wrote: > > Thank you Nischay. The Product Manager of the

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Introducing the MediaWiki Platform Team!

2017-04-03 Thread Brion Vibber
On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Tony Thomas <01tonytho...@gmail.com> wrote: > Great to know. I am looking forward at a team to whom volunteer devs can > ask to review their patchsets to mediawiki-core and its extensions without > an indefinite ETA! (probably I read the team goals wrong). > We

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Introducing the MediaWiki Platform Team!

2017-04-03 Thread Tony Thomas
Great to know. I am looking forward at a team to whom volunteer devs can ask to review their patchsets to mediawiki-core and its extensions without an indefinite ETA! (probably I read the team goals wrong). Thanks, Tony Thomas On Mon, Apr 3,

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Introducing the MediaWiki Platform Team!

2017-04-03 Thread Brion Vibber
We'll be primarily working on things for Wikimedia -- that's what people donate to WMF to support -- but part of what we want to do is to provide a clearer development roadmap which we expect to be helpful to third-party users, and clearer points of contact for getting things done. At this time

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Introducing the MediaWiki Platform Team!

2017-04-03 Thread Victoria Coleman
Thank you Nischay. The Product Manager of the MediaWiki Platform team will be responsible for the features the team will work on. Quim's team will also provide support as a place to coordinate the roadmap with the external developer community. Looking forward to working with everyone! Best

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Introducing the MediaWiki Platform Team!

2017-04-03 Thread Nischay Nahata
We use MediaWiki for almost everything in our company and it feels great to hear this news. I hope there is process setup for external users of MediaWiki to contribute ideas and code in a more streamlined manner. Regards, Nischay On Apr 2, 2017 8:52 PM, "Victoria Coleman"

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Introducing the MediaWiki Platform Team!

2017-04-03 Thread Jasmine Smith
Out of interest, will this 'platform team' only work to serve Wikimedia or the wider MediaWiki user community? One of my vices with the WMF/mediawiki is that development is to benefit the WMF. The WMF uses a number of extensions which are highly sought after by those wanting to set up their

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Introducing the MediaWiki Platform Team!

2017-04-03 Thread Chad
On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 12:35 AM Jeroen De Dauw wrote: > This makes it sound like the MediaWiki codebase is pretty well designed. > That is in stark contrast to my view, which is that it is a typical big > ball of mud with serious pervasive issues too numerous to list. So

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Introducing the MediaWiki Platform Team!

2017-04-03 Thread Quim Gil
Hi Jeroen, I don't know whether you realize how confrontational your email sounds, and how difficult it is to start a friendly and constructive conversation with such beginning. Since this is an open, welcoming, and friendly mailing list, I ask you please to consider this important factor in

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Introducing the MediaWiki Platform Team!

2017-04-03 Thread Jeroen De Dauw
Hey, > Like any significant codebase with a long development history, there are remnants of design choices and experiments that are no longer in use, and some areas of code are in need of modernization. However, at its core is a large amount of highly functional, secure, performant code, capable

[MediaWiki-l] Introducing the MediaWiki Platform Team!

2017-04-02 Thread Victoria Coleman
Hello everyone, I am pleased to share with you the news about the formation of the latest team in the Technology department, the MediaWiki Platform team![1] The MediaWiki Platform team will be tasked with leading maintenance and improvements related to the core MediaWiki platform codebase.