Re: The terrible truth about truth

2008-10-28 Thread Rick S
Even though I have grown fairly weary of this discussion, I have to interject that I dislike having my words turned around on me: Rick S said I cannot give a short pat answer. As for me trying to prove some subjective proof to you through objective means, I doubt that I could. They are

Re: FW: [skeptics-145] Fwd: Enjoy the read!

2008-10-28 Thread CrossBow
interesting that so many think war can go away just like that...do people really believe that? I know this little note is a spoof, but in a global society how can we Not police the planet? that is like letting the guy down the street corner beat the shit out of his wife and kids in his front yard

Re: The terrible truth about truth

2008-10-28 Thread Humanist21
Ok, so do you view gravity as subjective? J. “Red is a word used to refer to a light wavelength of about 650 nm. Whether you can see it or not or whether it looks purple to you does not change the wavelength. We use different words to refer to different wavelengths for simplicity sake.

Re: Thinking Freely about Freethought

2008-10-28 Thread Clogtowner
Hi y'all - I think Crotchbow is appealing. I don't agree with the article posted by Aaron. The CFA definition is fine with me. Of course, if we accept a theist as being a true believer and not just someone who attends church for social reasons etc. then they are not practicing freethought as

Re: Thinking Freely about Freethought

2008-10-28 Thread CrossBow
I'm warning you two firestarters! I will start posting under another name again... you'd better *THINK *about the consequences buddy! I know other ways to get even...wroohahahahah! [?] On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Clogtowner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi y'all - I think Crotchbow is

Re: The terrible truth about truth

2008-10-28 Thread stem cell
Rick S said If I had meant faith I would've said faith AND I have to interject that I dislike having my words turned around on me: Why did you not just say FAITH. It would have saved us time. Yet you choose to use filler words. Like I have said before to a close Fundy friend, if you want

Re: Thinking Freely about Freethought

2008-10-28 Thread Humanist21
I do agree with the article in respect to all atheists not being freethinkers - some are just too lazy to think. Clogtowner Yea, that would be me. But I think I am free to not think so if I am not a freethinker I am a freenonthinker. I am still a damn atheist which everyone should

Re: Thinking Freely about Freethought

2008-10-28 Thread Humanist21
Crossbow is Lana. J. I'm warning you two firestarters! I will start posting under another name again... you'd better THINK about the consequences buddy! I know other ways to get even...wroohahahahah! On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Clogtowner [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL

Re: The terrible truth about truth

2008-10-28 Thread Clogtowner
Hi y'all - sorry I'm a bit late on this and that's no lie. Define truth Here's a definition that I like: The conformity of a proposition to the way things are. Precise analysis of the nature of truth is the subject of the correspondence, coherence, pragmatic, redundancy, and semantic theories of

Re: FW: [skeptics-145] Fwd: Enjoy the read!

2008-10-28 Thread ornamentalmind
I think that peace (unity) can be achieved in only two different ways: 1. Agreement 2. Force “Hardwired” or not, these are our choices. Also, saying that “…but in a global society how can we Not police the planet? …”, suggests that ‘we’ have been given that right/power. I know that ‘W’ believes

Re: Thinking Freely about Freethought

2008-10-28 Thread Humanist21
I believe that the technical term for Blowselfus is autofellatio. J. OK Crotchblow. How 'bout Crotchus de Blowselfus? Would that work? stemcell On Oct 28, 11:12 am, CrossBow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm warning you two firestarters! I will start posting under another name

Re: Memphis Urban Debate League

2008-10-28 Thread Clogtowner
Hi y'all - I'll have to wait until later as the training is a difficult time for me, and I'd have to miss the next debate as I'll be out of the country. I'll check their schedule for the next training event when I get back. On Oct 28, 11:25 am, Isparklaria [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This link

Re: The terrible truth about truth

2008-10-28 Thread ornamentalmind
Ok, so do you view gravity as subjective? - J. As a word and a concept, of course! On Oct 28, 7:49 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, so do you view gravity as  subjective? J. “Red  is a word used to refer to a light wavelength of about 650 nm. Whether you  can see it or not or whether it

Re: The terrible truth about truth

2008-10-28 Thread BC
On Oct 28, 4:06 am, ornamentalmind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: “Red is a word used to refer to a light wavelength of about 650 nm. Whether you can see it or not or whether it looks purple to you does not change the wavelength. We use different words to refer to different wavelengths for

Re: FW: [skeptics-145] Fwd: Enjoy the read!

2008-10-28 Thread CrossBow
WE is inclusive of countries responsible for global survival by nature of position of influence -money, location, etc. Of course ideally, carefully wrought vice-grip sanctions, or smart military maneuverings, should be priority, not horsehockey as practiced by the Bush Brigade, who I think all

Re: Thinking Freely about Freethought

2008-10-28 Thread CrossBow
I am not Lana. blowyourself StemCell! On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 12:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *I believe that the technical term for Blowselfus is autofellatio.* *J.* OK Crotchblow. How 'bout Crotchus de Blowselfus? Would that work? stemcell On Oct 28, 11:12 am, CrossBow [EMAIL

Re: The terrible truth about truth

2008-10-28 Thread ornamentalmind
“Please elaborate on these claims.” – BC “His description appears to be right on the mark.” – BC First, I’ll agree that the description appears to be on the mark. Underline the term ‘appears’. That is my point. I’m talking about appearances in a philosophical way, something you may not have had

Re: Thinking Freely about Freethought

2008-10-28 Thread CrossBow
That got a huge smile and a burst of laughter! funny! I do share a common trait or two.. specifically the little horns that stick out the sides of my skull..[?] On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Clogtowner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi y'all - I can vouch for the fact that Xcurtsy is not Lana

Re: Thinking Freely about Freethought

2008-10-28 Thread Humanist21
Clogtowner is Lana. J. In a message dated 10/28/2008 2:04:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi y'all - I can vouch for the fact that Xcurtsy is not Lana On Oct 28, 12:49 pm, CrossBow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not Lana. blowyourself StemCell! On Tue,

Re: The terrible truth about truth

2008-10-28 Thread Humanist21
I'll have to get Clogtowner to translate all that into red neckover a beer. J. “Please elaborate on these claims.” – BC “His description appears to be right on the mark.” – BC First, I’ll agree that the description appears to be on the mark. Underline the term ‘appears’. That is my

Re: Thinking Freely about Freethought

2008-10-28 Thread CrossBow
*NO, ITS YOU!!!* don't anybody tell him, let him figure it out...it's not important really. On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 2:17 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Clogtowner is Lana.* ** *J.* In a message dated 10/28/2008 2:04:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi y'all - I

Re: FW: [skeptics-145] Fwd: Enjoy the read!

2008-10-28 Thread ornamentalmind
Sorry, didn't mean to include your entire post! I also 'Replied' to a different post of yours. Mad Cow? On Oct 28, 12:23 pm, ornamentalmind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WE is inclusive of countries responsible for global survival by nature of position of influence -money, location, etc. Of course

Re: Thinking Freely about Freethought

2008-10-28 Thread Aaron
I thought he gave a good example of how a theist could be a freethinker. Surely it deserves more in the way of a rebuttal than I disagree. Why do you disagree? On Oct 28, 10:55 am, Clogtowner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi y'all - I think Crotchbow is appealing. I don't agree with the article

Idealism

2008-10-28 Thread ornamentalmind
Since there is much 'serious' chat here including discussions about war, argumentation, futility and nausea in general and as much as I appreciate all mental states, an occasional post to reestablish equilibrium is called for. Here is one to lighten the mood. While it is easy to argue with it’s

Re: Idealism

2008-10-28 Thread CrossBow
Thanks, very Idealistic and welcome at the end of a long day;) [?][?] On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 3:35 PM, ornamentalmind [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Since there is much 'serious' chat here including discussions about war, argumentation, futility and nausea in general and as much as I appreciate

Re: The terrible truth about truth

2008-10-28 Thread BC
And elaborate on the pseudoscientific claim as well. -BC- On Oct 28, 12:35 pm, ornamentalmind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: “Please elaborate on these claims.” – BC “His description appears to be right on the mark.” – BC First, I’ll agree that the description appears to be on the mark.

Re: Thinking Freely about Freethought

2008-10-28 Thread Aaron
Clog, are you sure you read the same essay? I don't see a connection between what you wrote and anything Lowder proposed. Why shouldn't the the theist described in the essay be considered a freethinker? On Oct 28, 4:07 pm, Clogtowner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi y'all - sorry, my replies tend

Re: The terrible truth about truth

2008-10-28 Thread Clogtowner
Hi y'all - thanks for asking. I have been working on this stuff for some time and I believe I'm close to a breakthrough but. Anyway, Heisenberg just doesn't cut it for me. He handles the momentum and location OK. and then he makes a basic mistake by assuming the act of measurement (no matter

Re: Thinking Freely about Freethought

2008-10-28 Thread Clogtowner
Hi y'all - yes I've read it. In the first paragraph he poses the question Can a theist be a freethinker? He answers Yes, but I answer No for my given reasons. Reading Swinburne doesn't change a person's faith. In the second paragraph he lists the CFA definition of freethought which I agree with.

Re: FW: [skeptics-145] Fwd: Enjoy the read!

2008-10-28 Thread ornamentalmind
“… as for being bombastic and prone to hyperbole...well, this is a public forum and we all have personalities and I will not apologize for mine as repugnant as it may get.” – CB Ditto!!! “…it is extremely lovably niaive to imagine we can know all the cards and players in this international

Re: Idealism

2008-10-28 Thread ornamentalmind
*** starts pumping up his erect upright organ for the music *** On Oct 28, 2:24 pm, Clogtowner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi y'all - yes it is easy to argue with the content, so I won't but I do wish these modern movie makers would improve their presentation. Far from being turned on by ear

Re: Thinking Freely about Freethought

2008-10-28 Thread stem cell
Aaron said Surely it deserves more in the way of a rebuttal than I disagree. Why do you disagree? I agree. stemcell On Oct 28, 3:21 pm, Aaron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought he gave a good example of how a theist could be a freethinker.  Surely it deserves more in the way of a

Re: Conservative Justices Abandon Strict Construction?

2008-10-28 Thread Aaron
That's right, but the Civil War was about States not, as Jason argued, about individuals. And since the Civil War is an example (hopefully the last example) of a Constitutional question being decided with military conflict, it is important to point out what the decision was: The Constitution

Re: Conservative Justices Abandon Strict Construction?

2008-10-28 Thread Clogtowner
Hi y'all - facts is facts is facts. I hate to bring race into this but we live in the South. When I moved here we had a white Sheriff and he told me what to do with the body. I'm not saying that evidence would not be available, I'm saying that he made it clear that evidence would not be

Re: Thinking Freely about Freethought

2008-10-28 Thread Aaron
Atheism is not a prerequisite. It is a conclusion. Freethought is a way of deciding what is probably true and what probably isn't. It is precisely *because* we want to believe true things that we consider knowledge to be tentative and subject to further evidence. The fact that we can't

Michael Palin for President

2008-10-28 Thread Jason (Memphis)
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Re: Thinking Freely about Freethought

2008-10-28 Thread Aaron
That's all well and good, but it seems beside the point. Consider this syllogism: Freethought is the use of logic, reason and evidence instead of tradition, emotion or dogma to determine beliefs. Han Solo determines his beliefs (including his belief in God) using logic, reason and evidence

Re: Michael Palin for President

2008-10-28 Thread Aaron
I always thought he was the sexiest of the Monty Python boys. Too bad I already voted. I might have written him in! Aaron On Oct 29, 12:13 am, Jason (Memphis) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://michaelpalinforpresident.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this