Re: [Metamath] Mnemonic of Fr

2024-05-06 Thread 'Alexander van der Vekens' via Metamath
The definition ~df-fr in set.mm corresponds exactly to the definition in Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Well-founded_relation), and here the terms *well-founded* or *wellfounded* or *foundational *are used synonymously, with the side note "Some authors include an extra condition

Re: [Metamath] Mnemonic of Fr

2024-05-06 Thread 'Alexander van der Vekens' via Metamath
Are we talking about the same edition of the book? In my (very old) paper copies, definitions 6.21 and 6.24 are on page 27... Nevertheless, if the numbering of the definitions is still the same, definition 6.21 defines a "foundational relation" (`R Fr A`) , whereas definition 6.24 1) defines a

Re: [Metamath] Mnemonic of Fr

2024-05-02 Thread heiphohmia via Metamath
My guess was "(well-)founded relation" as well, but Takeuti and Zaring are saying "foundational relation" in description of the 6.21 definition for Fr. If the Fr syntax is riffing off T anyway, I think it'd be an epsilon improvement to mention where the mnemonic comes from in the comment.

Re: [Metamath] Mnemonic of Fr

2024-05-01 Thread Mario Carneiro
My understanding is that it stands for "founded relation", as in well-founded but without the "well", I think because it doesn't have any other ordering properties like being a partial order attached to it. On Wed, May 1, 2024 at 5:21 AM 'B. Wilson' via Metamath < metamath@googlegroups.com>

[Metamath] Mnemonic of Fr

2024-05-01 Thread 'B. Wilson' via Metamath
This has been bugging me midly for a while, but I couldn't figure out what the Fr symbol in df-fr stood for: 19201 df-fr $a |- ( R Fr A <-> A. x ( ( x C_ A /\ x =/= (/) ) -> E. y e. x A. z e. x -. z R y ) ) $. I finally bothered to look up the Takeuti and Zaring reference, which also uses