Re: Is OpenBSD good/best for my 486?

2007-03-22 Thread Jonathan Thornburg
In message http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=117452881511952w=1, Douglas Allan Tutty dtutty () porchlight ! ca asked I've got a 486DX4-100 with 32 MB ram, ISA bus, with two drives: 840 MB and 1280 MB IDE. Currently running Debian GNU/Linux Sarge. Box has two uses: under normal

df reports capacity 100%

2007-03-22 Thread Stephan A. Rickauer
Our Soekris (4.0-stable) NFS mounts a remote share: # df -h /projects FilesystemSizeUsed Avail Capacity Mounted on linsrv01:/projects410G2.0T 417G 498% /projects # grep projects /etc/fstab linsrv01:/projects /projects nfs rw,auto 0 0 where linsrv01 is a

Re: Is OpenBSD good/best for my 486?

2007-03-22 Thread Liviu Daia
On 21 March 2007, Travers Buda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Douglas Allan Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-03-21 22:37:01]: Hello, I've got a 486DX4-100 with 32 MB ram, ISA bus, with two drives: 840 MB and 1280 MB IDE. Currently running Debian GNU/Linux Sarge. *snip* Is there any

Re: df reports capacity 100%

2007-03-22 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, Stephan A. Rickauer wrote: Our Soekris (4.0-stable) NFS mounts a remote share: # df -h /projects FilesystemSizeUsed Avail Capacity Mounted on linsrv01:/projects410G2.0T 417G 498% /projects # grep projects /etc/fstab

Re: df reports capacity 100%

2007-03-22 Thread Stephan A. Rickauer
Otto Moerbeek wrote: This is a known bug and not fixable until we change the statfs structure. http://cvs.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/query-pr-wrapper?full=yesnumbers=5169 Awesome. I wish other software had such a high quality of support. Thanks Otto. -- Stephan A. Rickauer

Saving memory on small machines

2007-03-22 Thread David Given
I have a machine with 48MB of RAM that I want to use as a server. The OpenBSD kernel is a bit over 5MB. I assume that gets loaded into memory and is not swappable, giving me 43MB left, which isn't a lot. Is it worth recompiling the kernel to remove support for features I'm not using --- IPv6,

Re: IPsec gone assymetric

2007-03-22 Thread Jacob Yocom-Piatt
RW wrote: I have a simple setup. Sydney to Melbourne and the ipsec.conf is one of the nice easy ones whilst I learn to do more complex setups. It has been working for months. Today doing ipsecctl -s all at either end generates the expected output. Each is a mirror of the other. netstat

Re: Saving memory on small machines

2007-03-22 Thread Kamil Monticolo
The OpenBSD kernel is a bit over 5MB. I assume that gets loaded into memory and is not swappable, giving me 43MB left, which isn't a lot. You can turn off ipv6, altq if not needed, and of course lots of hardware that you don't need also. For example I have a 2 x smaller kernel that GENERIC on

Disk Load

2007-03-22 Thread Tang Tse
Hello, Maybe it is an stupid question, but since 1 week ago i got my HDD led allways powered on. Is it possible with something like top to see hdd % load o something like? Thanks.

Re: Disk Load

2007-03-22 Thread Andreas Kahari
Use systat and read the systat(1) manual. Regards, Andreas On 22/03/07, Tang Tse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Maybe it is an stupid question, but since 1 week ago i got my HDD led allways powered on. Is it possible with something like top to see hdd % load o something like? Thanks.

Re: Saving memory on small machines

2007-03-22 Thread RedShift
Kamil Monticolo wrote: The OpenBSD kernel is a bit over 5MB. I assume that gets loaded into memory and is not swappable, giving me 43MB left, which isn't a lot. You can turn off ipv6, altq if not needed, and of course lots of hardware that you don't need also. For example I have a 2 x smaller

Re: Disk Load

2007-03-22 Thread Tang Tse
Thanks!! 2007/3/22, Andreas Kahari [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Use systat and read the systat(1) manual. Regards, Andreas On 22/03/07, Tang Tse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Maybe it is an stupid question, but since 1 week ago i got my HDD led allways powered on. Is it possible with

Re: Saving memory on small machines

2007-03-22 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 01:47:11PM +0100, RedShift wrote: You may also stripe nearly all of your libraries, for example: # ls -lhS /usr/lib/libcrypto*a -r--r--r-- 1 root bin 11.7M Mar 22 13:53 /usr/lib/libcrypto_pic.a -r--r--r-- 1 root bin 11.6M Mar 22 13:53 /usr/lib/libcrypto_p.a

Re: Saving memory on small machines

2007-03-22 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2007/03/22 13:54, Kamil Monticolo wrote: The OpenBSD kernel is a bit over 5MB. I assume that gets loaded into memory and is not swappable, giving me 43MB left, which isn't a lot. If you're going to do things like this, you have extra steps when you find a problem, because you need to tell

Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread Siju George
Hi, http://www.internetnews.com/security/article.php/3667201 Just for some entertainment, no troll :-) --Siju

Re: Saving memory on small machines

2007-03-22 Thread David Terrell
On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 11:11:22AM +, David Given wrote: And if it is worth recompiling the kernel, can anyone recommend any particularly big features it would be worth taking out? I wouldn't bother, unless you find yourself actually running low on memory. Not running GENERIC means any

Re: openbsd current?

2007-03-22 Thread Nick !
On 3/22/07, Jay Jesus Amorin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how do i know if im using openbsd current? If you have to ask you aren't. Current is installed by installing snapshots and compiling from CVS. The learning curve is very steep. -Nick

cannot make mod_auth_bsd work

2007-03-22 Thread Thierry Lacoste
After a default 4.0 install I installed www/mod_auth_bsd but all users are rejected. I have the following line in my /var/www/logs/error_log: httpd: invalid script: /usr/libexec/auth/login_passwd Same results wether apache is chrooted or not. Any help would be appreciated. Regards, Thierry.

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread Sunnz
Nice, let's all now switch our servers to Windows!!! Oh but it doesn't run on ultrasparc... Nevermind... :D 2007/3/23, Siju George [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, http://www.internetnews.com/security/article.php/3667201 Just for some entertainment, no troll :-) --Siju -- Please avoid sending

Re: Saving memory on small machines

2007-03-22 Thread Limaunion
David Given wrote: I have a machine with 48MB of RAM that I want to use as a server. The OpenBSD kernel is a bit over 5MB. I assume that gets loaded into memory and is not swappable, giving me 43MB left, which isn't a lot. Is it worth recompiling the kernel to remove support for features I'm

Re: Is OpenBSD good/best for my 486?

2007-03-22 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 10:16:24PM -0500, Travers Buda wrote: * Douglas Allan Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-03-21 22:37:01]: I've got a 486DX4-100 with 32 MB ram, ISA bus, with two drives: 840 MB and 1280 MB IDE. Currently running Debian GNU/Linux Sarge. *snip* Is there any reason

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread Ben Calvert
On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:58:31 +0530, Siju George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, http://www.internetnews.com/security/article.php/3667201 From the article: Microsoft is doing better overall than its leading commercial competitors.

Re: is the Thinkpad T30 supported?

2007-03-22 Thread Igor Sobrado
Hello! Joachim. I think that the problem you had with your Thinkpad happened to the son of a friend I have at Illinois too (on a slightly different variant). On his laptop (a T20) the display CCF lamp did not turn on. Indeed, buying at least two similar laptops is a smart idea. That is the

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread RedShift
Siju George wrote: Hi, http://www.internetnews.com/security/article.php/3667201 Just for some entertainment, no troll :-) --Siju IMHO it's not a fair comparison, most linux distributions ship with alot more software than microsoft windows does, and most bugreports indicate an issue

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread Karsten McMinn
On 3/22/07, Ben Calvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Microsoft is doing better overall than its leading commercial competitors. ^^ No wonder. they stacked the deck before doing the comparison doesn't this mean that they now

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread Neil Joseph Schelly
On Thursday 22 March 2007 11:29 am, RedShift wrote: Siju George wrote: Hi, http://www.internetnews.com/security/article.php/3667201 Just for some entertainment, no troll :-) --Siju IMHO it's not a fair comparison, most linux distributions ship with alot more software than

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread stuartv
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Siju George Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 8:29 AM To: OpenBSD Misc Subject: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award Hi, http://www.internetnews.com/security/article.php/3667201

Re: Saving memory on small machines

2007-03-22 Thread Artur Grabowski
Kamil Monticolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: # ls -lhS /usr/lib/libcrypto*a -r--r--r-- 1 root bin 11.7M Mar 22 13:53 /usr/lib/libcrypto_pic.a -r--r--r-- 1 root bin 11.6M Mar 22 13:53 /usr/lib/libcrypto_p.a -r--r--r-- 1 root bin 11.5M Mar 22 13:53 /usr/lib/libcrypto.a # strip -s

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread stuartv
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of RedShift Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 10:30 AM To: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award Siju George wrote: Hi,

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread Nick !
On 3/22/07, Neil Joseph Schelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 22 March 2007 11:29 am, RedShift wrote: Siju George wrote: Hi, http://www.internetnews.com/security/article.php/3667201 Just for some entertainment, no troll :-) --Siju IMHO it's not a fair comparison, most

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread Lars D . Noodén
On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, RedShift wrote: Siju George wrote: http://www.internetnews.com/security/article.php/3667201 Just for some entertainment, no troll :-) IMHO it's not a fair comparison, most linux distributions ship with alot more software than microsoft windows does, and most bugreports

Re: Saving memory on small machines

2007-03-22 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, Kamil Monticolo wrote: The OpenBSD kernel is a bit over 5MB. I assume that gets loaded into memory and is not swappable, giving me 43MB left, which isn't a lot. You can turn off ipv6, altq if not needed, and of course lots of hardware that you don't need also. For

binat questions

2007-03-22 Thread Bruce Bauer
Using OpenBSD 4.0 Using binat for the first time in the real world Questions: binat pass on fxp0 from $server_int to any - $server_ext does this bypass all other pf filter rules? binat on fxp0 from $server_int to any - $server_ext does this form allow filtering? Googleing comes up with many

Re: Saving memory on small machines

2007-03-22 Thread Bret Lambert
On Thu, 2007-03-22 at 11:11 +, David Given wrote: I have a machine with 48MB of RAM that I want to use as a server. The OpenBSD kernel is a bit over 5MB. I assume that gets loaded into memory and is not swappable, giving me 43MB left, which isn't a lot. Is it worth recompiling the

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread Bob Beck
Siju George wrote: Hi, http://www.internetnews.com/security/article.php/3667201 Just for some entertainment, no troll :-) --Siju IMHO it's not a fair comparison, most linux distributions ship with alot more software than microsoft windows does, and most bugreports indicate an

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 08:12:23AM -0700, Ben Calvert wrote: On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:58:31 +0530, Siju George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, http://www.internetnews.com/security/article.php/3667201 From the article: Microsoft is doing better overall than its leading commercial

Re: Is OpenBSD good/best for my 486?

2007-03-22 Thread Open Phugu
On 3/22/07, Douglas Allan Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean OpenBSD has encrypted swap out-of-the-box? That's fantastic. It took a while to set up on my debian etch box. That is why we call it ``secure by default''

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread Greg Thomas
On 3/22/07, Bob Beck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And yes a big chunk of the problem is the knuckle dragging mouth breather in front of the keyboard - thank god that's not OpenBSD's targeted userbase, Damn, I wonder how I stumbled onto OpenBSD then. Greg

Re: binat questions

2007-03-22 Thread Dag Richards
A quick read of the faq shows the pass keyword causes a bypass all filtering ...so don't use it if you want your filters to be applied . Bruce Bauer wrote: Using OpenBSD 4.0 Using binat for the first time in the real world Questions: binat pass on fxp0 from $server_int to any - $server_ext

Re: openbsd current?

2007-03-22 Thread STeve Andre'
On Thursday 22 March 2007 10:01:23 Nick ! wrote: On 3/22/07, Jay Jesus Amorin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how do i know if im using openbsd current? If you have to ask you aren't. Current is installed by installing snapshots and compiling from CVS. The learning curve is very steep. -Nick

Re: Saving memory on small machines

2007-03-22 Thread Woodchuck
On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, David Given wrote: I have a machine with 48MB of RAM that I want to use as a server. The OpenBSD kernel is a bit over 5MB. I assume that gets loaded into memory and is not swappable, giving me 43MB left, which isn't a lot. I sent a longer ramble offlist, but onlist, the

my new email / nowy adres email

2007-03-22 Thread sizu
Currently im using the following email address: / Moj nowy adres email: http://toya.net.pl/~pirama/email.jpg regards, TTR

Re: Saving memory on small machines

2007-03-22 Thread Bob Beck
* Artur Grabowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-03-22 10:32]: Kamil Monticolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: # ls -lhS /usr/lib/libcrypto*a -r--r--r-- 1 root bin 11.7M Mar 22 13:53 /usr/lib/libcrypto_pic.a -r--r--r-- 1 root bin 11.6M Mar 22 13:53 /usr/lib/libcrypto_p.a -r--r--r-- 1 root

Re: openbsd current?

2007-03-22 Thread Nick !
On 3/22/07, STeve Andre' [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 22 March 2007 10:01:23 Nick ! wrote: On 3/22/07, Jay Jesus Amorin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how do i know if im using openbsd current? If you have to ask you aren't. Current is installed by installing snapshots and compiling

Re: openbsd current?

2007-03-22 Thread Jeremy David
Perhaps the better thing to say is that it takes know-how to run current *correctly and well*. If you're just dipping your toes into OpenBSD. Running -current might not be for you. On 3/22/07, STeve Andre' [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 22 March 2007 10:01:23 Nick ! wrote: On 3/22/07,

Re: openbsd current?

2007-03-22 Thread STeve Andre'
Very good point, Jeremy. OpenBSD-current is *not* the way to start off. This is the only op system I've ever used which has generally been stable enough to use on a production machine, but that does not mean that newcommers should use it. Start with the stock release, and then get some extra

Re: Saving memory on small machines

2007-03-22 Thread David Given
Woodchuck wrote: [...] I sent a longer ramble offlist Indeed. Ta. , but onlist, the bottom line is this: you'll save some memory, a few megabytes, but if they are the tipping point between usefulness and non-usefulness of the machine, spend your time and money on Ebay, finding more memory.

Re: Saving memory on small machines

2007-03-22 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 12:09:04PM -0600, Bob Beck wrote: * Artur Grabowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-03-22 10:32]: Kamil Monticolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: # ls -lhS /usr/lib/libcrypto*a -r--r--r-- 1 root bin 11.7M Mar 22 13:53 /usr/lib/libcrypto_pic.a -r--r--r-- 1 root bin

Re: Saving memory on small machines

2007-03-22 Thread Miod Vallat
It won't be serving very much; I'm looking to replace my existing NSLU2 running Debian, which is doing thttpd, postfix, samba, nfsd, spamprobe, spey, dovecot, and dnsmasq. (I'd actually quite like to continue using the NSLU2 but it doesn't turn on automatically --- which is a pain in the arse

Re: Saving memory on small machines

2007-03-22 Thread Pedro Martelletto
On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 12:09:04PM -0600, Bob Beck wrote: How can you call it a low water mark art? I wasn't speechless, I laughed my ass off. I needed the humor this morning, I'm hung over and spent the morning in a stupid meeting. That message made my day. Because what was `early

Re: binat questions

2007-03-22 Thread Bruce Bauer
Yes, it shows that for a nat rule but doesn't mention anything about pass on a binat rule. I only discovered that binat accepts pass from the grammer section of pf.conf(5). I can't find any authority that states that binat pass... causes a bypass of all filtering as it does with nat pass... On

Re: binat questions

2007-03-22 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2007/03/22 13:01, Bruce Bauer wrote: Yes, it shows that for a nat rule but doesn't mention anything about pass on a binat rule. I only discovered that binat accepts pass from the grammer section of pf.conf(5). Packets that match a translation rule are only automatically passed if the pass

quick test of netbeans pkg

2007-03-22 Thread llx
for testing proposes i installed a current snapshoot. i saw the announcement of the netbean pkg thus i complied jdk 1.5 and installed netbeans. when i build/run a project the output in the output/console of netbeans is mostly not readable. it prints targets like init: deps-jar: but the

Support for USB wireless device RTL8187B?

2007-03-22 Thread Darth Lists
Hello list, I bought a TEW-424UB usb wireless adapter to use with my landisk (Plextor EH40L). I recommend that you go out and get one of these. In Canada, TigerDirect.ca has the 400GB model for $315CDN after rebate. The supported hardware list indicates that the TEW-424UB is supported but

Re: Saving memory on small machines

2007-03-22 Thread Ted Unangst
On 3/22/07, Douglas Allan Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or is it that strip -s removes all symbols and it was only intended to remove the debug symbols. The libs won't work? yes, libs without symbols aren't especially useful for future development.

streaming program...

2007-03-22 Thread poncenby smythe
list, i am looking for a video streaming program and noticed ffmpeg did it over http. installing ffmpeg from packages gave the following... 4.0 GENERIC i386, no X11 sudo pkg_add -v ${PKG_PATH}ffmpeg-20060312p1.tgz Password: parsing ffmpeg-20060312p1 Dependencies for ffmpeg-20060312p1

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread Marc Espie
On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 03:28:29PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: Their challenge is that they need to provide choice so they have what they call reasonable defaults. No, they don't need to provide choice. At least not that many. They decide to do so. That's most of what's wrong with OS

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread Andreas Bihlmaier
On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 09:40:57PM +0100, Marc Espie wrote: On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 03:28:29PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: Their challenge is that they need to provide choice so they have what they call reasonable defaults. No, they don't need to provide choice. At least not that

Re: cannot make mod_auth_bsd work

2007-03-22 Thread Vijay Sankar
On Thursday 22 March 2007 08:09, Thierry Lacoste wrote: After a default 4.0 install I installed www/mod_auth_bsd but all users are rejected. I have the following line in my /var/www/logs/error_log: httpd: invalid script: /usr/libexec/auth/login_passwd Same results wether apache is chrooted

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread Greg Thomas
On 3/22/07, Marc Espie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 03:28:29PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: Their challenge is that they need to provide choice so they have what they call reasonable defaults. No, they don't need to provide choice. At least not that many. They decide

Re: Saving memory on small machines

2007-03-22 Thread David Terrell
On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 01:29:33PM -0700, Ted Unangst wrote: On 3/22/07, Douglas Allan Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or is it that strip -s removes all symbols and it was only intended to remove the debug symbols. The libs won't work? yes, libs without symbols aren't especially useful for

Do symlinks exist? (sh, ksh, /bin/test documentation ambiguity)

2007-03-22 Thread Stefek Zaba
I expect it's old, old news to those with more shell scripting scars: but the results of the [ -e ] test are at variance with my allegedly reasonable reading of the documentation. For all three of sh, ksh, and the /bin/test manpages, the description of the -e test reads file exists, unlike the

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread Jeff Rollin
On 22/03/07, Marc Espie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 03:28:29PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: Their challenge is that they need to provide choice so they have what they call reasonable defaults. No, they don't need to provide choice. At least not that many. They decide

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread Greg Thomas
On 3/22/07, Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 22/03/07, Marc Espie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 03:28:29PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: Their challenge is that they need to provide choice so they have what they call reasonable defaults. No, they don't need

Re: Saving memory on small machines

2007-03-22 Thread David Given
Miod Vallat wrote: [...] I am not aware of anyone working on running OpenBSD on the NSLU2, but if you want a nice pet project to spend time on, NetBSD runs on it and porting their code should be relatively easy to do. Of course this won't help with the fact that the NSLU2 is horribly slow

isakmpd gateway-to-gateway VPN woes...

2007-03-22 Thread Jack Bates
If you can help, please feel free to CC: me directly: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My partner-in-crime and I are having some trouble getting a LAN-to-LAN VPN working with OpenBSD-4.0-stable isakmpd. Both firewalls have a relatively unaltered install. Both firewalls still have pf, ipsec and isakmpd_flags

Running OpenOffice on OpenBSD-How do I start it?

2007-03-22 Thread Robert Goulding
First, I am an absolute newbie. I purchased the OpenBSD 4.0 cd's and got it loaded and running and succesfully added the Samba and KDE packages. Installing OpenOffice and getting mail working are my next two projects with it. I am running an i386 machine with a 1.2 GHz AMD Athlon processor. To

Re: isakmpd gateway-to-gateway VPN woes...

2007-03-22 Thread Dag Richards
Do your firewalls forward ip 4? sysctl net.inet.ip.forwarding=1 Jack Bates wrote: If you can help, please feel free to CC: me directly: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My partner-in-crime and I are having some trouble getting a LAN-to-LAN VPN working with OpenBSD-4.0-stable isakmpd. Both firewalls have a

Re: Saving memory on small machines

2007-03-22 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 04:42:57PM -0500, David Terrell wrote: On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 01:29:33PM -0700, Ted Unangst wrote: On 3/22/07, Douglas Allan Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or is it that strip -s removes all symbols and it was only intended to remove the debug symbols. The libs

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread Todd Alan Smith
On 3/22/07, Bob Beck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip from a vegetarian at that. The fallacy that is this clause undermines your broader argument. Promise yourself not to spread such falsity again, and you will be well served. -Todd

CARP flip flop problems

2007-03-22 Thread Nigel Roberts
Hi, We're running carp on two Openbsd 4.0 routers on vlan interfaces and we're observing a state change from backup to master to backup on the host that should stay as the backup. This happens periodically and adjusting the advbase and advskew seems to have no effect apart from adjusting the

zaurus bootstrapping

2007-03-22 Thread Nick !
So I picked up my shiny 6gig zaurus from the post office today (glee!) and I'm preparing to blow away the terribly primitive UI that comes with it and make it an awesome OpenBSD-in-my-pocket; but I have a few questions. This isn't entirely on-topic, but google hasn't helped. Please, feel free to

HP SA P400/P800 ciss support and caveats

2007-03-22 Thread Boris Golberg
Hello guys, We are looking to buy an HP ProLiant DL320s server with about 5-8 terabyte of storage and Smart Array P400 or P800 for a backup purposes. According to www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=cissarch=i386sektion=4 it should be supported in -current, but the current code

Re: zaurus bootstrapping

2007-03-22 Thread Theo de Raadt
-I've discovered that the power button is really a standby button, like on Palms. However, I did `shutdown -h now` from the shell and afterwards it wouldn't turn back on. In order to make it come back I had to take off the battery cover, press the reset button, take out the battery, and put

Re: zaurus bootstrapping

2007-03-22 Thread Chris Kuethe
On 3/22/07, Nick ! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -I've discovered that the power button is really a standby button, like on Palms. However, I did `shutdown -h now` from the shell and afterwards it wouldn't turn back on. In order to make it come back I had to take off the battery cover, press the

Re: zaurus bootstrapping

2007-03-22 Thread Nick !
On 3/22/07, Chris Kuethe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: man zkbd http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=zkbdarch=zaurus Thanks for the tip, but that only talks about when the zaurus is on. I'd turned it completely off. I'm hoping it was just a fluke though. -I don't have a CF Wifi card

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread Shane J Pearson
On 23/03/2007, at 3:19 AM, Lars D. Noodin wrote: Symantic makes its living selling paper bailing cups in a leaky boat. ;-) The media actively participates in obfuscating the issues, the causes and the solutions by publicizing such crap from Symantic and MS. Yes. Symantec make their money

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread Theo de Raadt
Symantec have been trying to demonise OS X for a long while. And it is going to work soon. Because OS X has no Propolice-like compiler stack protection, nor anything like W^X which makes parts of the address space non-executable, nor anything like address space randomization which makes certain

OpenBSD webserver partitioning schemes

2007-03-22 Thread Bray Mailloux
I'm not too knowledgeable in the security arena so this question may prompt flogging. My server has three hard drives, one contains the OpenBSD system and the other two are blank and will be a raid mirror of the /var/www directory. Is it wise to give over the entire drive for the mount point

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-03-22 Thread Open Phugu
On 3/22/07, Marc Espie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 03:28:29PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: Their challenge is that they need to provide choice so they have what they call reasonable defaults. No, they don't need to provide choice. At least not that many. They decide

Request for links to BSD adminstration docs

2007-03-22 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
Hello, I'm considering moving my 486 from Debian to OpenBSD. I haven't the money to spend on a new e.g. UNIX System Administration. 4.4 BSD System Manager's Manual is out of print. I haven't been able to google anything freely available on the internet. My local library has had their only

List your properties for rent or sale for free / Annoncez vos proprietes à louer ou a vendre gratuitement

2007-03-22 Thread support
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Re: Request for links to BSD adminstration docs

2007-03-22 Thread Greg Thomas
On 3/22/07, Douglas Allan Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I figure that if I get an old BSD book and combine it with the OpenBSD FAQ plus man pages, I'll be off to a good start. If you know your way around Linux just start with the FAQ and manpages. That's what I started with and the FAQ is

Re: Request for links to BSD adminstration docs

2007-03-22 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 11:30:06PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: Hello, I'm considering moving my 486 from Debian to OpenBSD. I haven't the money to spend on a new e.g. UNIX System Administration. 4.4 BSD System Manager's Manual is out of print. I haven't been able to google anything

Re: zaurus bootstrapping

2007-03-22 Thread Nick !
On 3/22/07, Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -How do you people with zaurii trade data from them with other computers? Purely over the network? With SD cards? USB hubs + thumbdrives? We sync our repositories and commit over wireless we find in the bars where we drink, of course.

Re: IPsec gone assymetric

2007-03-22 Thread RW
On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 05:30:45 -0600, Jacob Yocom-Piatt wrote: RW wrote: I have a simple setup. Sydney to Melbourne and the ipsec.conf is one of the nice easy ones whilst I learn to do more complex setups. It has been working for months. Today doing ipsecctl -s all at either end generates the

Re: Request for links to BSD adminstration docs

2007-03-22 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 09:00:01PM -0700, Darrin Chandler wrote: On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 11:30:06PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: I'm considering moving my 486 from Debian to OpenBSD. I haven't the money to spend on a new e.g. UNIX System Administration. 4.4 BSD System Manager's

Re: zaurus bootstrapping

2007-03-22 Thread Kyle George
On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, Nick ! wrote: On 3/22/07, Chris Kuethe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: think long and hard before you trash the partition table. hint: you don't want to use the whole disk for openbsd. I don't? I mean, I know to save the first few sectors for the partition table, but isn't the

Re: Request for links to BSD adminstration docs

2007-03-22 Thread Marco Peereboom
However, is it correct that when a new release comes out every six months, you have to reboot into that? How long does an upgrade from one release to the next take? Minutes on a fast machine. I have seen a HPPA B180 take like 25 minutes but that is the exception and not the norm. Thanks

Re: Request for links to BSD adminstration docs

2007-03-22 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 12:40:48AM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: Sounds similar to debian which also has to reboot a new kernel. Do you run the rebuild niced? I don't. I want it to be done as soon as possible. However, is it correct that when a new release comes out every six months,

Re: zaurus bootstrapping

2007-03-22 Thread Nick !
On 3/23/07, Kyle George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, Nick ! wrote: On 3/22/07, Chris Kuethe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: think long and hard before you trash the partition table. hint: you don't want to use the whole disk for openbsd. I don't? I mean, I know to save the first

Re: zaurus bootstrapping

2007-03-22 Thread Chris Kuethe
On 3/22/07, Kyle George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, Nick ! wrote: On 3/22/07, Chris Kuethe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: think long and hard before you trash the partition table. hint: you don't want to use the whole disk for openbsd. I don't? I mean, I know to save the first

Re: zaurus bootstrapping

2007-03-22 Thread Theo de Raadt
Trust me, you really do need to carefully read INSTALL.zaurus, and you really don't want to use the whole disk for openbsd - that'll set you up for a world of hurt. The linux environment that ships with the zaurus is quite brittle and depends on some of the stuff on the disk. I really don't

Re: zaurus bootstrapping

2007-03-22 Thread Nick !
On 3/23/07, Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trust me, you really do need to carefully read INSTALL.zaurus, and you really don't want to use the whole disk for openbsd - that'll set you up for a world of hurt. The linux environment that ships with the zaurus is quite brittle and

named stopped with error

2007-03-22 Thread RW
On a firewall that is not mine but where the admins run to me for help 8-) somebody noticed that name resolution was not working. rc.conf.local says: named_flags= named.conf is the default (caching with recursion only for local clients) uname says: OpenBSD fw.example.com.au 3.9 GENERIC#617 i386

Installing Skype

2007-03-22 Thread Rafael Morales
I have OpenBSD 4.0 on a HP laptop and I need to install Skype because is for the comunication in my job and I have the freedom for install my lovely OpenBSD. This what I have done: 1. I installed the redhat_base-8.0p8.tgz for the emulation. 2. Download the skype-0_90_0_1.rpm and installed it with

openbsd acpi help

2007-03-22 Thread Jay Jesus Amorin
good day! can anyone here help me on how i can enable acpi on my laptop? my laptop is running openbsd 4.1-current. thanks for your help long live openbsd. --jay--

Re: openbsd acpi help

2007-03-22 Thread Sam Fourman Jr.
at the boot prompt type boot -c then type enable acpi then type quit Sam Fourman Jr. On 3/22/07, Jay Jesus Amorin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: good day! can anyone here help me on how i can enable acpi on my laptop? my laptop is running openbsd 4.1-current. thanks for your help long live