Re: Ramifications of blocking SYN+FIN TCP packets

2009-03-21 Thread Henning Brauer
not sure wether it wouldn't be smarter to just have pf scrub drop these as well. --- pf_norm.c Sat Mar 21 12:17:44 2009 +++ pf_norm.c.orig Sat Mar 21 12:16:56 2009 @@ -782,11 +782,8 @@ flags = th-th_flags; if (flags TH_SYN) { /* Illegal packet */ +

Re: Ramifications of blocking SYN+FIN TCP packets

2009-03-21 Thread Johan Linner
Henning Brauer skrev: not sure wether it wouldn't be smarter to just have pf scrub drop these as well. --- pf_norm.c Sat Mar 21 12:17:44 2009 +++ pf_norm.c.orig Sat Mar 21 12:16:56 2009 @@ -782,11 +782,8 @@ flags = th-th_flags; if (flags TH_SYN) { /*

Re: Ramifications of blocking SYN+FIN TCP packets

2009-03-13 Thread SJP Lists
2009/3/13 Rod Whitworth glis...@witworx.com: You could have scrubbing turned off at the bride So what's she going to do? Just the dishes? Why did he marry her anyway? Grinning, running and ducking Careful Rod, from memory Diana is a crack shot and packs!

Re: Ramifications of blocking SYN+FIN TCP packets

2009-03-13 Thread Rod Whitworth
On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 17:30:38 +1100, SJP Lists wrote: 2009/3/13 Rod Whitworth glis...@witworx.com: You could have scrubbing turned off at the bride So what's she going to do? Just the dishes? Why did he marry her anyway? Grinning, running and ducking Careful Rod, from memory Diana is a

Re: Ramifications of blocking SYN+FIN TCP packets

2009-03-12 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:07:22 -0400 Jason Dixon ja...@dixongroup.net wrote: On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 01:04:34PM -0400, David Goldsmith wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jason Dixon wrote: S/SAFR I just had to deal with this on our customer's PCI scan.

Re: Ramifications of blocking SYN+FIN TCP packets

2009-03-12 Thread Pete Vickers
Hi, What about Postel's 'be liberal in what you accept' ? What about peers/intermediate system that have for example bugs which accidentally set FIN flags (ISP's broken traffic shaping/limiting device anyone ?). If pf can safely cleanse such legitimate traffic, then why block it ?

Re: Ramifications of blocking SYN+FIN TCP packets

2009-03-12 Thread Marcus Watts
J.C. Roberts list-...@designtools.org writes: ... I know SYN+FIN is a valid packet according to RFC 793 and 1644 (T/TCP), but the more important question is, what are the valuable *uses* for SYN+FIN packets? Personally, I can't think of any valuable uses. Can you? ... There is a use

Re: Ramifications of blocking SYN+FIN TCP packets

2009-03-12 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:51:40 -0400 Marcus Watts m...@umich.edu wrote: J.C. Roberts list-...@designtools.org writes: ... I know SYN+FIN is a valid packet according to RFC 793 and 1644 (T/TCP), but the more important question is, what are the valuable *uses* for SYN+FIN packets?

Re: Ramifications of blocking SYN+FIN TCP packets

2009-03-12 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:25:07 +0100 Pete Vickers p...@systemnet.no wrote: Hi, What about Postel's 'be liberal in what you accept' ? What about peers/intermediate system that have for example bugs which accidentally set FIN flags (ISP's broken traffic shaping/limiting device anyone

Re: Ramifications of blocking SYN+FIN TCP packets

2009-03-12 Thread Stuart VanZee
Thank you all for the interesting discussion on this issue. I can't prove it but I think I have gained at least one IQ point just from the privilege of reading said responses. In my case, I think the answer boils down to the fact that it doesn't seem possible to implement a rule that blocks these

Re: Ramifications of blocking SYN+FIN TCP packets

2009-03-12 Thread Claudio Jeker
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 09:46:07AM -0700, J.C. Roberts wrote: On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:51:40 -0400 Marcus Watts m...@umich.edu wrote: J.C. Roberts list-...@designtools.org writes: ... I know SYN+FIN is a valid packet according to RFC 793 and 1644 (T/TCP), but the more important

Re: Ramifications of blocking SYN+FIN TCP packets

2009-03-12 Thread ropers
2009/3/12 Stuart VanZee stua...@datalinesys.com: it doesn't seem possible to implement a rule that blocks these packets while still using packet normalization (scrub) since scrub is the first thing that sees a packet and drops the FIN on a packet that has SYN+FIN set (at least that is how I

Re: Ramifications of blocking SYN+FIN TCP packets

2009-03-12 Thread Rod Whitworth
On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 03:17:30 +0100, ropers wrote: You could have scrubbing turned off at the bride So what's she going to do? Just the dishes? Why did he marry her anyway? Grinning, running and ducking *** NOTE *** Please DO NOT CC me. I am subscribed to the list. Mail to the sender address

Ramifications of blocking SYN+FIN TCP packets

2009-03-11 Thread Stuart VanZee
I understand that this might annoy a few of you, If it does please accept my apologies. The place I work is required to have an external security scan from time to time and the latest scan says that we have failed because the firewall responded to a TCP packet that has the SYN and FIN flags set.

Re: Ramifications of blocking SYN+FIN TCP packets

2009-03-11 Thread Jason Dixon
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:42:38AM -0400, Stuart VanZee wrote: I understand that this might annoy a few of you, If it does please accept my apologies. The place I work is required to have an external security scan from time to time and the latest scan says that we have failed because the

Re: Ramifications of blocking SYN+FIN TCP packets

2009-03-11 Thread Jason Dixon
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:54:18AM -0400, Jason Dixon wrote: On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:42:38AM -0400, Stuart VanZee wrote: I understand that this might annoy a few of you, If it does please accept my apologies. The place I work is required to have an external security scan from time

Re: Ramifications of blocking SYN+FIN TCP packets

2009-03-11 Thread Jason Dixon
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 01:04:34PM -0400, David Goldsmith wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jason Dixon wrote: S/SAFR I just had to deal with this on our customer's PCI scan. Don't argue with the logic, just do it. :) Let me guess -- TrustKeeper? We just