previously on this list MJ contributed:
And I hope it?s the thought that counts more than the amount.
I guess it doesn't 'count' right now but does mean more and count more
if he ever becomes rich.
LOL, yes, especially when it comes to bills being paid.
Maybe that's a stark reality
On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 1:09 AM, Denis read-and-th...@yandex.ru wrote:
---
1. Branded hosting by OpenBSD project
I will be first in line to pay 2x of what I am paying now to host my
domain on OpenBSD platform in Canada, knowing that it is looked after (or
Am Mon, 20 Jan 2014 06:32:45 -0800
schrieb Jeff O'Neal jeff.on...@gmail.com:
On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 1:09 AM, Denis read-and-th...@yandex.ru
wrote:
---
1. Branded hosting by OpenBSD project
I will be first in line to pay 2x of what I am paying now
Hi OpenBSD team,
Sorry to bring more of those annoying new ideas, but I think that might
help. I will be brief :-)
---
1. Branded hosting by OpenBSD project
I will be first in line to pay 2x of what I am paying now to host my
domain on OpenBSD platform in
Let me be blunt about this: we already have quite enough on our plates
already.
I, for one, have a TODO list that reaches probably 10 years or more ahead.
Besides openssh, if you *do* use OpenBSD, contributing helps the project.
Speaking for myself, if you do appreciate:
- having binary
2014/1/19 Denis read-and-th...@yandex.ru:
I will be first in line to pay 2x of what I am paying now to host my
domain on OpenBSD platform in Canada, knowing that it is looked after (or at
least periodically checked) by core developers.
You want the developers to stop developing.
I do not doubt that emulators can be useful for some things. Indeed, I
use them myself when real hardware isn't available.
but emulators have limits -- invariably they are written to emulate certain
things accurately (albeit imperfectly, because all programmers make
mistakes) while other things
On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 7:53 AM, Brett Lymn brett.l...@baesystems.com wrote:
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 07:33:01PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote:
What other community has users who commonly run upstream software on
64-bit big-endian strict alignment platform with register windows
adjusting the
Hi,
warning: off-topic and nostalgic.
Theo de Raadt wrote:
Let's face it. OpenBSD has this as a bug reducing mechanism
available, and most other systems do not anymore, having decided to
chase only the market-chosen architectures. It is a true many-eyes
machined solution.
What other
Dear Misc,
In re electricity, please do one of the following:
1. Send money.
2. Convince OTHER PEOPLE to send money.
3. Stop summoning the Good Idea Fairy to the developers. I have
seen the suggestions, and it's not that none of them could
possibly work. It's that all of them
On 18 Jan 2014, at 04.33, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote:
Why is there this effort to convince us to do less?
I do not propagate such a train of thought; only said that if you want
corporate funding then be prepared to detail your costs and justify each and
every one of them
I notice a lot of people have suggested use an emulator, as if that had never
occurred to the OpenBSD developers before, but nobody has volunteered to verify
that the available emulators are good enough to actually replace real hardware.
Also, I don't understand why anyone thinks emulation
On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 4:00 AM, Kent R. Spillner kspill...@acm.org wrote:
I notice a lot of people have suggested use an emulator, as if that had
never occurred to the OpenBSD developers before, but nobody has volunteered
to verify that the available emulators are good enough to actually
Am 2014-01-17 16:55, schrieb Stefan Wollny:
Am Fri, 17 Jan 2014 16:08:07 +0100
schrieb Lars Peter Cleary l...@publius.ch:
I agree this is a very good idea, instant feedback and gratification.
Nevertheless, I've just now donated CAD 100.- and invite everybody
else to do the same.
Kind regards
The old hardware would still run while they're validating the emulators,
and that process would probably take a really long time.
If the tests are as good as this project claims them to be, the process
should take exactly one test cycle. If that's the case, then the test
regime suck big time.
The old hardware would still run while they're validating the emulators,
and that process would probably take a really long time.
If the tests are as good as this project claims them to be, the process
should take exactly one test cycle. If that's the case, then the test
regime suck big
On 18 Jan 2014, at 20.15, Jan Stary h...@stare.cz wrote:
On Jan 18 16:29:46, m...@sci.fi wrote:
On 18 Jan 2014, at 04.33, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote:
And I hope it?s the thought that counts more than the amount.
LOL, yes, especially when it comes to bills being paid.
On 19 Jan 2014, at 01.36, Jan Stary h...@stare.cz wrote:
So, the 1 is the thought, and the 0 is the amount?
Sorry, but your comments were so ridiculous I couldn't help it.
Saying it's the thougth that counts to people who have
repeated explicitly they need MONEY.
There you go again with
On Jan 18, 2014, at 16:25, Sia Lang silverlangu...@gmail.com wrote:
If the tests are as good as this project claims them to be, the process
should take exactly one test cycle. If that's the case, then the test regime
suck big time. Logic brother. Logic.
I don't know what tests you're
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 10:25 PM, Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado
i...@juanfra.info wrote:
Just a side note to the people talking about emulators. Obviously,
you're not tried to install OpenBSD on emulators. Basically, everything
is broken except amd64 and i386.
except amd64 and i386?!
Am 01/16/14 18:05, schrieb Han Hwei Woo:
Rather than raising prices on CD's/T-Shirts, how about allowing for
subscriptions? I've bought CD's and shirts in the past, but don't do so
regularly simply as it's not something I think/remember to do at every
release. However, I'd gladly signup to
Pushing the subscription idea and cd set selling a litte bit further, what
about a signed cd set or artwork from theo or a developer ( next hackathon
) . The time investment should be no problem and this could sell for ...
70$ or something.
This is cool, no time effort, promotion easy possible (
previously on this list Dag Richards contributed:
I have a suggestion for every one of us that has mailed in an idea in
response to a solicitaion for money...
Send money.
I also plan to open a ticket and will have to find time to send a short
letter to the management of my hosting
Le 2013-12-21 01:08, Theo de Raadt a écrit :
I am resending this request for funding our electricity bills because
it is not yet resolved.
We really need even more funding beyond that, because otherwise all of
this is simply unsustainable. This request is the smallest we can
make.
---
Hi
I agree this is a very good idea, instant feedback and gratification.
Nevertheless, I've just now donated CAD 100.- and invite everybody
else to do the same.
Kind regards
Lars
Kevin Lyda wrote:
Regarding the less architecture support to save electricity
argument, I'm not sure one follows the other. Computing power has
grown to a point that emulators are perfectly valid - particularly for
older systems.
I think a push to package and maintain emulators for many of
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Christopher Ahrens n...@leviacomm.net wrote:
*Instructions are executed as they should, not how they actually work
That's a bug to be filed against an emulator. And it's easier to do
that *now* when the older hardware is around to test for bug
compatibility. And
Kevin Lyda [ke...@ie.suberic.net] wrote:
It's a lot easier to ask for $X/year if there's a plan for X to reduce.
Yeah, right. That's how things work, right? Your family spends less each year,
your work spends less each year, your government, they certainly spend less
each year. And OpenBSD,
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Christopher Ahrens n...@leviacomm.netwrote:
Kevin Lyda wrote:
Regarding the less architecture support to save electricity
argument, I'm not sure one follows the other. Computing power has
grown to a point that emulators are perfectly valid - particularly for
That's a bug to be filed against an emulator. And it's easier to do
that *now* when the older hardware is around to test for bug
compatibility. And it's not full emulator if it doesn't emulate the
bugs.
We are an operating system project. We have a full set of tasks ahead
of ourselves. We are
Am Fri, 17 Jan 2014 16:08:07 +0100
schrieb Lars Peter Cleary l...@publius.ch:
I agree this is a very good idea, instant feedback and gratification.
Nevertheless, I've just now donated CAD 100.- and invite everybody
else to do the same.
Kind regards
Lars
Yepp - let's face it: Until
And it's not full emulator if it doesn't emulate the
bugs.
It's almost bedtime in Europe. Do you mind if I tell you a bedtime
story?
Years ago, a (back then) successful company selling high-end Unix-based
workstations, having been designing its own systems and core components
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 11:32:41PM +, Miod Vallat wrote:
And it's not full emulator if it doesn't emulate the
bugs.
It's almost bedtime in Europe. Do you mind if I tell you a bedtime
story?
Years ago, a (back then) successful company selling high-end Unix-based
You may argue that, since the kernel has a workaround for this issue,
this is a moot point. But if some developer has a better idea for the
kernel heuristic, how can the new code be tested, if not on the real
hardware?
The problem with this story is that the purported reasons for
OTOH, there's a strong case to be made for simply inventing crazy
architectures out of whole cloth and writing an emulator for them.
I am looking forward to seeing yours. How long do I have to wait?
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 07:33:01PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote:
You may argue that, since the kernel has a workaround for this issue,
this is a moot point. But if some developer has a better idea for the
kernel heuristic, how can the new code be tested, if not on the real
hardware?
I do use emulators, specifically for ARM, because it's just easier for me.
And one of my co-workers is a contributor to the Hercules emulator.
Then you know it is not sufficient for our needs, yet we keep getting
the same message from some people. The emulators are too slow, or they
need to be
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 08:38:05PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote:
I do use emulators, specifically for ARM, because it's just easier for me.
And one of my co-workers is a contributor to the Hercules emulator.
Then you know it is not sufficient for our needs, yet we keep getting
the same
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 08:10:02PM -0800, William Ahern wrote:
[...]
Compared to your suggestions, Die Hard 2-5 didn't contain any plot holes
and made perfect sense.
You are not arguing, but obviously, emulators are so much better.
With just a couple of modern Xeon machines (these are free,
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 07:33:01PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote:
What other community has users who commonly run upstream software on
64-bit big-endian strict alignment platform with register windows
adjusting the frames in odd ways, or 32-bit big-endian ones with mutex
alignment requirements,
El 20/12/2013, a las 18:08, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org escribió:
I am resending this request for funding our electricity bills because
it is not yet resolved.
We really need even more funding beyond that, because otherwise all of
this is simply unsustainable. This request
Through the history of openbsd there have been architectures in which more
bugs have been found and some in which fewer bugs have appeared.
That is not true.
Then maybe the number of bugs for an architecture can be matched to the
power-on-time for the machines for that architecture.
Maybe.
Virtual machines/emus and canadian cross builds should be able to reduce
the amount of iron, no?
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.orgwrote:
Through the history of openbsd there have been architectures in which
more bugs have been found and some in which
hmm, on Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 08:14:24PM +0100, Peter J. Philipp said that
# pkg_add somepackage
...
This package's buildtime was generously donated by Peter J. Philipp.
#
ads in openbsd? you must be out of your mind.
what next, adblock for openbsd?
-f
--
why do they call it a tv set when
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Sia Lang silverlangu...@gmail.com wrote:
Virtual machines/emus and canadian cross builds should be able to reduce
the amount of iron, no?
I don't think virtual machines are the solution: I see them as another
buggy ecosystem on which developers will try to
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 09:55:04PM +, Franchini Fabien wrote:
[...]
I suggest to write a letter to theses companies who are known to using OpenBSD
or other product-related like OpenSSH. In this letter we can explain (as the
first
post from Theo) our issue. I'm sure they can give us an
The installer or man page asks for donations, how about the ssh login
banner or initial output which might get perhaps 100s of thousands more
eyefall?
--
___
'Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to
Rather than raising prices on CD's/T-Shirts, how about allowing for
subscriptions? I've bought CD's and shirts in the past, but don't do so
regularly simply as it's not something I think/remember to do at every
release. However, I'd gladly signup to purchase a CD and T-Shirt every
release on
On 1/16/14, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
The installer or man page asks for donations, how about the ssh login
banner or initial output which might get perhaps 100s of thousands more
eyefall?
I see where this is headed: In app purchases! e.g., after
couple of failed
http://goteo.org/project/gnupg-new-website-and-infrastructure
Why do not you do such a campaign? Wow.. new website and
infrastructure for GnuPG. Result: more then 24k USD in three weeks. So
where OpenBSD/OpenSSH are worse than GnuPG? Guys, your problem is not
the OpenBSD foundation, but the total
Daniel Cegiełka wrote:
http://goteo.org/project/gnupg-new-website-and-infrastructure
Why do not you do such a campaign?
I think Theo has answered this previously. His point was that he doesn't want
to spend his time year after year
running campaigns. Being neither a politician nor a diplomat
On Thu, 16 Jan 2014 09:09:09 -0800
patrick keshishian wrote:
The installer or man page asks for donations, how about the ssh login
banner or initial output which might get perhaps 100s of thousands more
eyefall?
I see where this is headed: In app purchases! e.g., after
couple of
2014/1/16 Jack Woehr jwo...@softwoehr.com:
Daniel Cegiełka wrote:
http://goteo.org/project/gnupg-new-website-and-infrastructure
Why do not you do such a campaign?
I think Theo has answered this previously. His point was that he doesn't
want to spend his time year after year
running
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Daniel Cegiełka
daniel.cegie...@gmail.com wrote:
Another example: Google will pay even more than $3000 for finding an
error in OpenSSH (Core infrastructure network services) - do they know
about your problems?
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 09:05:24AM -0800, Han Hwei Woo wrote:
Rather than raising prices on CD's/T-Shirts, how about allowing for
subscriptions? I've bought CD's and shirts in the past, but don't do so
regularly simply as it's not something I think/remember to do at every
release. However, I'd
On 16 Jan 2014, at 19.45, Jack Woehr jwo...@softwoehr.com wrote:
I think Theo has answered this previously. His point was that he doesn't want
to spend his time year after year
running campaigns. Being neither a politician nor a diplomat nor a
grantmaster, he wants a sustainable model.
I like the subscription idea. I'd love to have every release without
actually doing the shopping every time. This could at least make a bit of
safe money.
I believe, making a company sending 20k$ every year to openbsd could be
quite difficult.
Why should they do this ?
What do they get ?
Why is
+1 for the subscription idea. Not that it completely solves the problem at
hand. But a great (IMHO) idea.
--
Josh Smith
KD8HRX
Email/jabber: juice...@gmail.com
Phone: 304.237.9369(c)
Sent from my iPhone.
On Jan 16, 2014, at 2:34 PM, Jan Lambertz jd.arb...@googlemail.com wrote:
I like
Bob Beck wrote:
so it's not a source of sustainable funding, unless we were to do something
like introduce an annual quota of bugs
http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1995-11-13/
--
Jack Woehr # We commonly say we have no time when,
Box 51, Golden CO 80402 # of course, we have all
Then maybe the number of bugs for an architecture can bematched to
the power-on-time for the machines for that architecture.
So your solution is to replace requiring financial donations to
requiring more hardware donations? Cold boots are by far the biggest
cause of hardware failure, this
Then maybe the number of bugs for an architecture can bematched to
the power-on-time for the machines for that architecture.
So your solution is to replace requiring financial donations to
requiring more hardware donations? Cold boots are by far the biggest
cause of hardware failure, this
Just my $0.02 worth.
OpenBSD asked for help.
Why everything we see is change this, change that, etc. Like they don't
know what they are doing for the last 20 years!
Either we can help or we can't. But please stop trying to tell everyone
how to do what they do best for the last 20 years like
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 01:10:05PM +0100, Sia Lang wrote:
Virtual machines/emus and canadian cross builds should be able to reduce
the amount of iron, no?
Just a side note to the people talking about emulators. Obviously,
you're not tried to install OpenBSD on emulators. Basically, everything
Gregor Best wrote:
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 09:55:04PM +, Franchini Fabien wrote:
[...]
I suggest to write a letter to theses companies who are known to using OpenBSD
or other product-related like OpenSSH. In this letter we can explain (as the
first
post from Theo) our issue. I'm sure they
I've set up a small recurring donation for now.
I'd like to throw out some ideas and questions if I may:
* Anyone selling an OpenBSD-based solution to business customers might
want to imagine the OS has some sort of 'license fee', increase the
quote for their work accordingly, and pass along the
On 2014-01-16, Sia Lang silverlangu...@gmail.com wrote:
Virtual machines/emus and canadian cross builds should be able to reduce
the amount of iron, no?
Try following http://www.openbsd.org/vax-simh.html. Then observe your cpu
usage figures and, if you are able to measure it, the power
I have a suggestion for every one of us that has mailed in an idea in
response to a solicitaion for money...
Send money.
Just do it right now, write a cheque. Send it, send it now.
Do that a couple of times a year.
Buy a cd twice a year, get at least one t-shirt with each order.
Were we told
Hi,
Loganaden Velvindron wrote:
OpenSSH wouldn't be reliable if it wasn't tested on HPPA and sparc64:
(I'm pretty sure I saw a bunch of commits wrt to alignment issues that
were discovered
on HPPA or sparc64 for OpenSSH).
being myself a developer of several applications, I can only praise
...@openbsd.org] De la part de
Theo de Raadt
Envoyé : mercredi 15 janvier 2014 02:36
À : Nicolai
Cc : misc@openbsd.org
Objet : Re: Request for Funding our Electricity
Nicolai, and others,
I'd like to take the opportunity to thank all of those stepping up to the
call for contributions. Every little bit helps
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Bob Beck b...@openbsdfoundation.org wrote:
And actually, if you're reading this, you can help by passing this on
to people you know *off these lists*.
Is it worth to post a call for support on the official website
front-page (and the foundation one too)? Just to
On 2014-01-15, Romain FABBRI - Alien Consulting
romain.fab...@alienconsulting.net wrote:
It's been a while I want to buy Tshirts and sweatshirts but they never are
available (right size for some, total availability for others).
I mean if CD's and shirts do weight for a third of the the
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 04:56:14PM -0600, Kent R. Spillner wrote:
Anyways, talk is cheap so I'm going to go make a donation now. If everyone
reading this did the same this thread could die, and OpenBSD wouldn't.
i've just spent a few dollars and I try to do it more often.
Nevertheless, it is
Steffan [berger...@wolfman.devio.us]
Envoyé : mercredi 15 janvier 2014 13:13
À : misc@openbsd.org
Objet : Re: Request for Funding our Electricity
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 04:56:14PM -0600, Kent R. Spillner wrote:
Anyways, talk is cheap so I'm going to go make a donation now. If everyone
reading
Yes, I believe so - and we'll be ramping that up shortly . but
realisticly the need is for
donations in general - electricity is one thing that the funding can
be applied to.
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:27 AM, Luca Ferrari fluca1...@infinito.it wrote:
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Bob Beck
Dear Theo,
Don't we do enough?
You already do too much.
Regarding the swag. The entire OpenBSD project now probably gets 1/4
of revenue out of CD
Why don't you do for the website software downloads what you do for the CDs?
Make users pay the downloads from the official website as you
On 15 Jan 2014, at 16.35, Gilles LAMIRAL gilles.lami...@laposte.net wrote:
Dear Theo,
Don't we do enough?
You already do too much.
I have long held the opinion that Theo is probably the best coder on this
planet. That’s not any sort of ass-kissing, either, it’s my objective, unbiased
15 EUR donation
Thanks devs for your great work!
--
Matteo Filippetto
http://www.op83.eu
On 15/01/14 08:25 AM, MJ wrote:
On 15 Jan 2014, at 16.35, Gilles LAMIRAL gilles.lami...@laposte.net
wrote:
Dear Theo,
Don't we do enough?
You already do too much.
I have long held the opinion that Theo is probably the best coder on this
planet. Thats not any sort of ass-kissing, either,
On Tue, 14 Jan 2014 17:28:19 -0700 (MST)
Theo de Raadt wrote:
That's a great idea.
I'm going drag a subgroup of the developers away from software
development and we'll start working on that instead.
Right away.
To fund the drilling, we'll hold a bake sale.
Fair enough just thought the
previously on this list agrquinonez contributed:
The other idea, is Members, every one of us could give five dollars per
month to keep the privilege of using OpenBSD; receiving information,
participating in the list, etc.
I think that would strangle the project and possibly prevent future
Theo,
In situations like this, it might be a good idea to come down from your
high horse (it's a mostly irrelevant OS anyway) and start treating people
offering ideas - good or bad- with some f*cking respect.
I fortunately read through the thread before NOT donating.
That small donation
2014/1/15 Sia Lang silverlangu...@gmail.com:
That small donation wouldn't have amounted to much, but I am positive you
being the leader of this project is the very reason no one wants to step up
with serious funding.
Him being the leader is the very reason this project still exists.
Best
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 07:41:03PM +0100, Martin Schröder wrote:
Him being the leader is the very reason this project still exists.
The thing about OpenBSD is that it has a very clear and strong focus.
This comes from clear and strong leadership. Is Theo right on
everything? Of course not. None
On 01/15/14 19:41, Martin Schröder wrote:
2014/1/15 Sia Lang silverlangu...@gmail.com:
That small donation wouldn't have amounted to much, but I am positive you
being the leader of this project is the very reason no one wants to step up
with serious funding.
Him being the leader is the very
On 15/01/14 10:31 AM, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
previously on this list agrquinonez contributed:
The other idea, is Members, every one of us could give five dollars per
month to keep the privilege of using OpenBSD; receiving information,
participating in the list, etc.
I think that would
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Peter J. Philipp p...@centroid.eu wrote:
On 01/15/14 19:41, Martin Schröder wrote:
2014/1/15 Sia Lang silverlangu...@gmail.com:
That small donation wouldn't have amounted to much, but I am positive you
being the leader of this project is the very reason no one
Hi guys, how about produce energy (solar energy, wind power generators,
etc) ? Has anyone some idea if it is possible and its cost ?
Maybe someone can donate this kind of material...
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 11:22:47AM -0800, agrquinonez wrote:
* On 15/01/14 10:31 AM, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
*
On 01/14, Theo de Raadt wrote:
Nicolai, and others,
I'd like to take the opportunity to thank all of those stepping up
to the call for contributions. Every little bit helps.
For those who ask, the OpenBSD Foundation is the best path for
contributions.
I hope some larger contributors
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 06:25:53PM +0200, MJ wrote:
On 15 Jan 2014, at 16.35, Gilles LAMIRAL gilles.lami...@laposte.net wrote:
Dear Theo,
Don't we do enough?
You already do too much.
I have long held the opinion that Theo is probably the best coder on this
planet. That’s not
Hello,
It seems that my idea was not read and in my opinion the discussion
turns in a wrong way. I don't believe that donations and/or a kind of rent will
solve our problem in long-term (as Theo says in a previous mail).
I'm pretty sure that the majority of companies doesn't read undeadly.org
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 06:25:53PM +0200, MJ wrote:
I have long held the opinion that Theo is probably the best coder on this
planet. That?s not any sort of ass-kissing, either, it?s my objective,
unbiased opinion. And I know Henning personally, as in ?live and worked
together with him -
How about a $10 tax on top-posters.
A little more seriously, you might get some professional help from a
university or charity development officer. These people raise money
for a living. Ask some for some advice.
One of the issues will be: financial statements for the organization.
It's
in electrical expenses before being
able to use money for other things. That sort of situation is not
sustainable.
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote:
I am resending this request for funding our electricity bills because
it is not yet resolved.
We really
expenses before being
able to use money for other things. That sort of situation is not
sustainable.
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org
wrote:
I am resending this request for funding our electricity bills because
it is not yet resolved.
We really need
that acknowledges reality would really be a shame.
/Don Allen
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org
wrote:
I am resending this request for funding our electricity bills because
it is not yet resolved.
We really need even more funding beyond that, because otherwise
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Bob Beck b...@openbsdfoundation.org wrote:
Just to bring this issue back to the forefront.
In light of shrinking funding, we do need to look for a source to
cover project expenses. If need be the OpenBSD Foundation can be
involved in receiving
How about we hold a bake sale?
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.orgwrote:
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Bob Beck b...@openbsdfoundation.org
wrote:
Just to bring this issue back to the forefront.
In light of shrinking funding, we do need to
Yes, we remove about 10 of the architectures. We'd slowly lose the
developers who like to work on those areas. They also work in other
areas, but ... I suspect they would another BSD that supports them.
Darn' tootin'!
Anyone want to suggest we hold a bake sale?
Make that a lo-carb bake
a company Theo was
mentioning in his irst letter.
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org
wrote:
I am resending this request for funding our electricity bills because
it is not yet resolved.
We really need even more funding beyond that, because otherwise all
letter.
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org
wrote:
I am resending this request for funding our electricity bills because
it is not yet resolved.
We really need even more funding beyond that, because otherwise all of
this is simply unsustainable
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