Re: atheros - just curious, ot

2008-07-29 Thread Travers Buda
* Reyk Floeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-07-28 09:53:58]: Actually, I'm confused. It carries an ISC license with an Atheros copyright. Luis Rodriguez (madwifi/ath5k) and Jouni Malinen (Linux Prism2 HostAP) are working for Atheros now. The code seems to include open source HAL-code, there

Re: atheros - just curious, ot

2008-07-28 Thread Reyk Floeter
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 09:28:10AM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: I threw my git saving throw so I was able to avoid looking at it. There is a version in the OpenWRT tree: https://dev.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/trac.fcgi/browser/trunk/package/ath9k/src/drivers/net/wireless/ath9k The following thread

Re: atheros - just curious, ot

2008-07-28 Thread Jacob Yocom-Piatt
Reyk Floeter wrote: On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 09:28:10AM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: I threw my git saving throw so I was able to avoid looking at it. There is a version in the OpenWRT tree:

Re: atheros - just curious, ot

2008-07-28 Thread Denis Doroshenko
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Reyk Floeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They neither apologized for all the trouble nor give me any credits for my work. ath9k would not exist without my work on the OpenBSD ar5k driver, it was a door opener, the base of the ath5k port, and Atheros' way into

Re: atheros - just curious, ot

2008-07-28 Thread David Vasek
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008, Jacob Yocom-Piatt wrote: Reyk Floeter wrote: On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 09:28:10AM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: I threw my git saving throw so I was able to avoid looking at it. There is a version in the OpenWRT tree:

Re: atheros - just curious, ot

2008-07-28 Thread Eric Furman
Who can we write to at atheros to tell them I will never ever purchase one of their products? On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:18:34 -0500, Jacob Yocom-Piatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Reyk Floeter wrote: On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 09:28:10AM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: I threw my git saving throw so

Re: atheros - just curious, ot

2008-07-28 Thread Sunnz
2008/7/29 Eric Furman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Who can we write to at atheros to tell them I will never ever purchase one of their products? http://www.atheros.com/contact/index.html Might work, you get e-mail, postal, and phone numbers to contact them with.

Re: atheros - just curious, ot

2008-07-28 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 10:47:31AM -0400, Eric Furman wrote: | Who can we write to at atheros to tell them I will never | ever purchase one of their products? Maybe it's better to write a polite e-mail explaining the situation wrt documentation vs source code (even if it is ISC licensed). This is

Re: atheros - just curious, ot

2008-07-28 Thread Marco Peereboom
P.S. And, btw., they were so eager to relicense Reyk's HAL from BSD licence to GPL -- isn't Atheros breaking the GPL licence of Linux's ath5k driver now? Didn't they argument, that the purpose of GPL is to protect their work from being used by big corporations for free? Which it doesn't.

Re: atheros - just curious, ot

2008-07-28 Thread David Vasek
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008, Marco Peereboom wrote: P.S. And, btw., they were so eager to relicense Reyk's HAL from BSD licence to GPL -- isn't Atheros breaking the GPL licence of Linux's ath5k driver now? Didn't they argument, that the purpose of GPL is to protect their work from being used by big

Re: atheros - just curious, ot

2008-07-28 Thread Nenhum_de_Nos
On Mon, July 28, 2008 11:47, Eric Furman wrote: Who can we write to at atheros to tell them I will never ever purchase one of their products? On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:18:34 -0500, Jacob Yocom-Piatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Reyk Floeter wrote: On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 09:28:10AM -0500, Marco

Re: atheros - just curious, ot

2008-07-27 Thread Marco Peereboom
I threw my git saving throw so I was able to avoid looking at it. On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 12:09:49AM -0400, bofh wrote: On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 12:02 AM, Jacob Meuser [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 11:01:33PM -0400, bofh wrote: saw

Re: atheros - just curious, ot

2008-07-27 Thread Theo de Raadt
saw http://madwifi.org/wiki/news/20080725/ath9k-atheros-unveils-free-linux-driver-for and was just curious if this is true 'open source' or is it full of magic numbers... I have a question for you, actually. Have you not been listening every single time when we ask for the documentation?

Re: atheros - just curious, ot

2008-07-27 Thread bofh
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 7:09 PM, Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a question for you, actually. Have you not been listening every single time when we ask for the documentation? I have, unfortunately. From the announcement, it sounded open source but undocumented, and also in

Re: atheros - just curious, ot

2008-07-27 Thread bofh
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 8:53 PM, bofh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have, unfortunately. From the announcement, it sounded open source but undocumented, and also in conjunction with mad-wifi folks, so I didn't have high hopes. I was just hoping that someone decided to do the right thing.

Re: atheros - just curious, ot

2008-07-27 Thread Jeffrey 'jf' Lim
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 9:00 AM, bofh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I went back and re-read the press release. It seems to be much worse than first glance. [we hired X to] helps enhance regulatory compliance in the Linux kernel. This probably means locking down the driver even more. Pretty

Re: atheros - just curious, ot

2008-07-27 Thread bofh
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 11:32 PM, Jeffrey 'jf' Lim [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: http://linux.via.com.tw/ - the damned bastards released nothing but binary drivers. And not even theirs at that!! (look at the filename - via-unichrome This is a vendor, pretending to be offer open source support

atheros - just curious, ot

2008-07-26 Thread bofh
saw http://madwifi.org/wiki/news/20080725/ath9k-atheros-unveils-free-linux-driver-for and was just curious if this is true 'open source' or is it full of magic numbers... -- http://www.glumbert.com/media/shift http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk This officer's men seem to follow him

Re: atheros - just curious, ot

2008-07-26 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 11:01:33PM -0400, bofh wrote: saw http://madwifi.org/wiki/news/20080725/ath9k-atheros-unveils-free-linux-driver-for and was just curious if this is true 'open source' or is it full of magic numbers... well, you can 'git' the sources yourself. they used

Re: atheros - just curious, ot

2008-07-26 Thread bofh
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 12:02 AM, Jacob Meuser [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 11:01:33PM -0400, bofh wrote: saw http://madwifi.org/wiki/news/20080725/ath9k-atheros-unveils-free-linux-driver-for and was just curious if this is true 'open source' or is it full of magic