Re: recent hardware with older OpenBSD versions

2010-03-22 Thread Ross Cameron
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 12:36 PM, T. Valent tmp...@4ss.de wrote: Folks, yes, I appreciate your attempt to help a lot. And I really am on your side if we're talking about normal machines. However, obviously nobody believes me when I say For us there is no reason to update to newer versions of

Re: recent hardware with older OpenBSD versions

2010-03-21 Thread T. Valent
Folks, yes, I appreciate your attempt to help a lot. And I really am on your side if we're talking about normal machines. However, obviously nobody believes me when I say For us there is no reason to update to newer versions of OpenBSD yet. On the contrary, maintenance is a lot easier for us if

Re: recent hardware with older OpenBSD versions

2010-03-21 Thread Ed Ahlsen-Girard
T. Valent tmp-ml () 4ss ! de at 2010-03-21 10:36:59 wrote: In the end it seems like I have to give up the idea of keeping all installations on the same level, it seems like I have create a complete new platform (new motherboard type and new OpenBSD version) for all new customers, just because I

Re: recent hardware with older OpenBSD versions

2010-03-21 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 11:36:59AM +0100, T. Valent wrote: In the end it seems like I have to give up the idea of keeping all installations on the same level, it seems like I have create a complete new platform (new motherboard type and new OpenBSD version) for all new customers, just because

Re: recent hardware with older OpenBSD versions

2010-03-21 Thread Francois Tigeot
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 10:46:05AM -0500, Ed Ahlsen-Girard wrote: T. Valent tmp-ml () 4ss ! de at 2010-03-21 10:36:59 wrote: In the end it seems like I have to give up the idea of keeping all installations on the same level, it seems like I have create a complete new platform (new

Re: recent hardware with older OpenBSD versions

2010-03-21 Thread Brad Tilley
On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 11:36 +0100, T. Valent tmp...@4ss.de wrote: In the end it seems like I have to give up the idea of keeping all installations on the same level, it seems like I have create a complete new platform (new motherboard type and new OpenBSD version) for all new customers, just

Re: recent hardware with older OpenBSD versions

2010-03-21 Thread Nick Holland
T. Valent wrote: Folks, yes, I appreciate your attempt to help a lot. And I really am on your side if we're talking about normal machines. However, obviously nobody believes me when I say For us there is no reason to update to newer versions of OpenBSD yet. On the contrary, maintenance is a

Re: recent hardware with older OpenBSD versions

2010-03-21 Thread Nick Holland
Brad Tilley wrote: On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 11:36 +0100, T. Valent tmp...@4ss.de wrote: In the end it seems like I have to give up the idea of keeping all installations on the same level, it seems like I have create a complete new platform (new motherboard type and new OpenBSD version) for all

Re: recent hardware with older OpenBSD versions

2010-03-21 Thread Chris Bennett
Nick Holland wrote: With Windows, Solaris or Linux, you hunt down drivers when new hardware comes out. OpenBSD makes you do some work, too -- upgrade to a new release. My experience has been that upgrading is easier than hunting down the new drivers. I think that this fact is a pretty

Re: recent hardware with older OpenBSD versions

2010-03-21 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 11:34:14 -0400 Nick Holland n...@holland-consulting.net wrote: The great fantasy of many people in the IT world is lots of identical hardware and software. Sorry, this is completely unrealistic, or at least completely unhealthy, in the big picture. Until they understand

recent hardware with older OpenBSD versions

2010-03-20 Thread T. Valent
Hi! We're using OpenBSD 4.3 kernels on a larger number of machines. (For us there is no reason to update to newer versions of OpenBSD yet. On the contrary, maintenance is a lot easier for us if we try to keep all systems on the same versions for as long as possible.) Yet we have been using

Re: recent hardware with older OpenBSD versions

2010-03-20 Thread James Hartley
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 12:02 PM, T. Valent tmp...@4ss.de wrote: (For us there is no reason to update to newer versions of OpenBSD yet. Quoting Section 5.1 of the FAQ: ...old releases are typically supported up to two releases back. It takes resources and time to support older versions, while

Re: recent hardware with older OpenBSD versions

2010-03-20 Thread T. Valent
OpenBSD 4.3 is no longer officially supported. That wasn't my question. I didn't ask for support, I thought maybe someone has an idea which recent boards could be compatible to 4.3. It's a valid question, isn't it? ;-)

Re: recent hardware with older OpenBSD versions

2010-03-20 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 08:22:39PM +0100, T. Valent wrote: OpenBSD 4.3 is no longer officially supported. That wasn't my question. I didn't ask for support, I thought maybe someone has an idea which recent boards could be compatible to 4.3. It's a valid question, isn't it? ;-) No, not

Re: recent hardware with older OpenBSD versions

2010-03-20 Thread Theo de Raadt
OpenBSD 4.3 is no longer officially supported. That wasn't my question. I didn't ask for support, I thought maybe someone has an idea which recent boards could be compatible to 4.3. It's a valid question, isn't it? ;-) Sure, it's a valid question. And the answer is that we wouldn't

Re: recent hardware with older OpenBSD versions

2010-03-20 Thread T. Valent
[old versions on new hardware] And the answer is that we wouldn't know, since we don't run old code. I didn't expect that anyone of the OpenBSD core-team would have an answer due to the obvious fact that you must be working with the latest versions. But who knows, maybe I'm lucky and there's

Re: recent hardware with older OpenBSD versions

2010-03-20 Thread Marc Espie
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 09:11:59PM +0100, T. Valent wrote: [old versions on new hardware] And the answer is that we wouldn't know, since we don't run old code. I didn't expect that anyone of the OpenBSD core-team would have an answer due to the obvious fact that you must be working with

Re: recent hardware with older OpenBSD versions

2010-03-20 Thread Kenneth R Westerback
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 08:22:39PM +0100, T. Valent wrote: OpenBSD 4.3 is no longer officially supported. That wasn't my question. I didn't ask for support, I thought maybe someone has an idea which recent boards could be compatible to 4.3. It's a valid question, isn't it? ;-) Friends

Re: recent hardware with older OpenBSD versions

2010-03-20 Thread STeve Andre'
On Saturday 20 March 2010 15:02:40 T. Valent wrote: Hi! We're using OpenBSD 4.3 kernels on a larger number of machines. (For us there is no reason to update to newer versions of OpenBSD yet. On the contrary, maintenance is a lot easier for us if we try to keep all systems on the same