Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-14 Thread Kevin Chadwick
Did you actually test that ? vi wants /var/tmp rw as well... Nah, just going from memory. It's been a while. However, the same logic applies: Look at what partition /var is on and mount it too. It will work just fine without /var. I believe it just puts a temporary recovery file

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-12 Thread Eric Furman
Obvious Troll. blah blah blah.. On Sat, Jan 12, 2013, at 12:04 AM, Christopher Vance wrote: You would fail any system administration course I teach. On 12/01/2013, at 15:34, Carlo Borelli carlo.bore...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/1/12 Nick Holland n...@holland-consulting.net On

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-12 Thread Paolo Aglialoro
So guys, I perfectly understand (and respect) how much many of you use and value ed. As much as others have a repulsion for it, but this is not my point: I mean, with respect for all viewpoints, I'm far from starting a religion war on which is ur fave editor, but just trying to share a view on a

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-12 Thread Marc Espie
I do use ed occasionnally, when I have about no choice. Specifically, glass console fucked up, no editing working... and no vi in bsd.rd. I don't know it very well, and I usually need another system nearby to refer to the manpage. I'm not a sysadmin, though. I don't see any harm in putting vi

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-12 Thread Scott McEachern
On 01/11/13 16:38, Paolo Aglialoro wrote: sparc64 machine, a neglected typo in fstab while changing a disk mountpoint and boom! - no boot :( ed(1) isn't hard to use, but if you haven't used it in a while, as espie@ said, having another machine handy to hit the man page is useful. Go play

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-12 Thread Marc Espie
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 07:17:25AM -0500, Scott McEachern wrote: On 01/11/13 16:38, Paolo Aglialoro wrote: sparc64 machine, a neglected typo in fstab while changing a disk mountpoint and boom! - no boot :( ed(1) isn't hard to use, but if you haven't used it in a while, as espie@ said,

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-12 Thread Scott McEachern
On 01/12/13 07:25, Marc Espie wrote: On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 07:17:25AM -0500, Scott McEachern wrote: On 01/11/13 16:38, Paolo Aglialoro wrote: sparc64 machine, a neglected typo in fstab while changing a disk mountpoint and boom! - no boot :( ed(1) isn't hard to use, but if you haven't used

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-12 Thread Paolo Aglialoro
Thank you Scott! Your tutorial is really nice :) I'll star it in my gmail. Nevertheless, even if at the time the problem was a typo in fstab (which I solved with an s/// sed sequence), I appreciate your honesty when u implicitly admit that vi would be more adequated for more complex tasks. Btw,

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-12 Thread Scott McEachern
On 01/12/13 08:24, Paolo Aglialoro wrote: Thank you Scott! Your tutorial is really nice :) I'll star it in my gmail. Uhm, you're welcome. Just FYI, it's bad form to reply to a private email onto a public mailing list. I'm no ed(1) expert. Since it's now on the list, maybe more

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-12 Thread Nick Holland
On 01/12/13 06:22, Paolo Aglialoro wrote: So guys, I perfectly understand (and respect) how much many of you use and value ed. As much as others have a repulsion for it, but this is not my point: no, it's like the scissor jack and lug wrench in my Jeep. If I get a flat tire on the side of the

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-12 Thread Paolo Aglialoro
Sorry for fwd ur mail in list Scott, didn't notice it was in pvt. As for the tyre comparison, I agree with you Nick. Better getting your hands dirty than being laughed at. Which is btw what I did in that nasty event. But I also remember the cold sweat out of it. Actually I drive an old car which

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-12 Thread Scott McEachern
On 01/12/13 09:19, Paolo Aglialoro wrote: Sorry for fwd ur mail in list Scott, didn't notice it was in pvt. As for the tyre comparison, I agree with you Nick. Better getting your hands dirty than being laughed at. Which is btw what I did in that nasty event. But I also remember the cold sweat

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-12 Thread Kenneth R Westerback
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 01:34:44AM -0300, Carlo Borelli wrote: 2013/1/12 Nick Holland n...@holland-consulting.net On 01/11/13 16:38, Paolo Aglialoro wrote: ... Btw, how many are really using ed everyday, now in 2013? I believe I'm not the only one who thinks this. My guess is that

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-12 Thread Alexander Hall
On 01/11/13 22:51, Miod Vallat wrote: The only editing available tool in bsd.rd, the infamous ed, made me sweat cold with fear not to correctly spell its syntax or do some logic mistake. I would have been way more lighthearted if I had vi available. Actually, vi used to be in the installation

vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-11 Thread Paolo Aglialoro
Hello misc, there were recently some comments about customizing bsd.rd contents and making one of own's choice/taste. This reminded me about an unpleasant situation in which I found myself kinda 2 years ago: sparc64 machine, a neglected typo in fstab while changing a disk mountpoint and boom! -

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-11 Thread Miod Vallat
The only editing available tool in bsd.rd, the infamous ed, made me sweat cold with fear not to correctly spell its syntax or do some logic mistake. I would have been way more lighthearted if I had vi available. Actually, vi used to be in the installation media, 15 years ago. Lack of space

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-11 Thread Nick Holland
On 01/11/13 16:38, Paolo Aglialoro wrote: ... Btw, how many are really using ed everyday, now in 2013? I believe I'm not the only one who thinks this. My guess is that vi could be more appreciated by most of the user base more than ed. If you claim to be a unix administrator, learn ed. If you

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-11 Thread Carlo Borelli
2013/1/12 Nick Holland n...@holland-consulting.net On 01/11/13 16:38, Paolo Aglialoro wrote: ... Btw, how many are really using ed everyday, now in 2013? I believe I'm not the only one who thinks this. My guess is that vi could be more appreciated by most of the user base more than ed.

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-11 Thread Carlo Borelli
2013/1/12 Christopher Vance cjsva...@gmail.com You would fail any system administration course I teach. I respect your opinion. Are you a teacher and not teaching the basic ones? Proudly failing any course you do. What else? Btw, Paolo Aglialoro +1 Registered Linux User #249354 Ad astra per

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-11 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 01:34:44AM -0300, Carlo Borelli wrote: | If you claim to be a unix administrator, learn ed. | | | Sorry, completely wrong. An unix admin use only vi not wordstar or ed. You know vi but you don't know ed. Right. Know your software and its history - vi is ed with visual

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-11 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 07:39:27AM +0100, Paul de Weerd wrote: On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 01:34:44AM -0300, Carlo Borelli wrote: | If you claim to be a unix administrator, learn ed. | | | Sorry, completely wrong. An unix admin use only vi not wordstar or ed. You know vi but you don't know

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-11 Thread Christopher Vance
You would fail any system administration course I teach. On 12/01/2013, at 15:34, Carlo Borelli carlo.bore...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/1/12 Nick Holland n...@holland-consulting.net On 01/11/13 16:38, Paolo Aglialoro wrote: ... Btw, how many are really using ed everyday, now in 2013? I believe

Re: vi vs ed in bsd.rd - proposal

2013-01-11 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 08:13:33AM +0100, Otto Moerbeek wrote: | On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 07:39:27AM +0100, Paul de Weerd wrote: | | On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 01:34:44AM -0300, Carlo Borelli wrote: | | If you claim to be a unix administrator, learn ed. | | | | | | Sorry, completely wrong. An