Re: Microsoft SOHO router multicast problem? - or maybe it's just doing what it's supposed to be doing...

2005-04-15 Thread Mark Radabaugh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chance Whaley wrote: | Sorry about that. Didn't look in detail. Saw the UDP port 6257 and | stopped. | | The mcast is coming from someplace upstream from | fastethernet-0-0.genoa-gw.amplex.net (that is if I did my mcast | MAC to mcast IP conversion

Re: AUP for NANOG?

2005-04-15 Thread Per Gregers Bilse
On Apr 14, 9:22am, Scott Grayban [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The more bashing I hear here the less I want to ask a question here. I'm not stupid but I am worried that one question might spark a rash of flames back at me. This is a newbies point of view. Thanks for braving it.-) It would be

RE: OpenTransit (france telecom) depeers cogent

2005-04-15 Thread Neil J. McRae
If I may, you sound like someone whom FT has depeered in the past? :) Personally no. ;) simply playing devils advocate - who really knows what business model people are following? who really knows why this has happened? But in my view this type of action where it impacts customers doesn't

Re: Anyone familiar with the SBC product lingo?

2005-04-15 Thread Michael . Dillon
you'll never get better redundancy than having more than one carrier. On the contrary, you get better redundancy by sticking to one carrier and making sure that they really provide separacy though the entire span of the circuit. If you have two carriers running fibre to yoiur building down the

RE: OpenTransit (france telecom) depeers cogent

2005-04-15 Thread Jonas Frey
from FT: FT terminated its direct interconnection with Cogent as they did not comply with 2 of the criterias of the FT Peering Policy. This Policy is official and published. However, route exchanges between Cogent and FT customer remained possible through IP transit provider networks such as

Re: Postini Problems?

2005-04-15 Thread Martin Hepworth
Lanny I'm seeing delays of arounf 5 hours for mail being sent through Postini at the moment. One of our suppliers complained they hadn't got our normal call-offs and then it arrived, about 5 hours after had been sent. The Postini is accepting messages, before passing on to the end recipient

Re: New Outage Hits Comcast Subscribers

2005-04-15 Thread Niels Bakker
Hi John, * [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Payne) [Fri 15 Apr 2005, 00:48 CEST]: Do you? Relying 100% on anycast is MUCH worse than not deploying anycast at all. Spend some time thinking about various failure modes. (*sigh* just read NANOG archives if you want the short cut) In my opinion this

The Cidr Report

2005-04-15 Thread cidr-report
This report has been generated at Fri Apr 15 21:48:05 2005 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of an AS4637 (Reach) router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org/as4637 for a current version of this report. Recent Table

RE: Anyone familiar with the SBC product lingo?

2005-04-15 Thread Hannigan, Martin
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 6:34 AM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Anyone familiar with the SBC product lingo? you'll never get better redundancy than having more than one

RE: Anyone familiar with the SBC product lingo?

2005-04-15 Thread Michael . Dillon
On the contrary, you get better redundancy by sticking to one carrier and making sure that they really provide separacy though the entire span of the circuit. If you have two carriers running fibre to yoiur building down the same conduit, then you do NOT have separacy and as a

Re: Six PCs caused BigPond problems

2005-04-15 Thread Fergie (Paul Ferguson)
...which reminds me of the Spoofer Project: The Spoofer Project: State of IP Spoofing http://momo.lcs.mit.edu/spoofer/summary.php - ferg -- Bill Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's ok. At least six more Telstra PCs will get compromised tomorrow. I don't know if they're doing uRPF

Re: Anyone familiar with the SBC product lingo?

2005-04-15 Thread David Lesher
Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered: (Anybody here *NOT* seen cases where the 2 fibers leave the building on opposite sides, go down different streets - and rejoin 2 miles down the way because there's only one convenient bridge/tunnel/etc over the river, or

Re: New Outage Hits Comcast Subscribers

2005-04-15 Thread Adrian Chadd
On Fri, Apr 15, 2005, Daniel Golding wrote: I also wonder how long it will be before home routers have DNS servers built-in, with a switch to let users select between iterative queries of their upstream's DNS and a normal recursive query. Has anyone seen this in the consumer market? My

RE: OpenTransit (france telecom) depeers cogent

2005-04-15 Thread Neil J. McRae
Do you seriously view it that way? See the financial analysis available on the web about Cogent and tell me the same thing again. Same could be said for many companies in our industry at the moment, I call them the zombies. I want my packets to make it to the destination. For some Euros

N+? redundancy

2005-04-15 Thread Michael . Dillon
And I agree re: the building entrance issue and later choke points. Anyone recall the time several years ago that most of the Valley was isolated? One route was across the ?Bay? Bridge; it was down for planned maintenance when backhoe fade struck around San Jose. How many paths is enough?

Re: New Outage Hits Comcast Subscribers

2005-04-15 Thread Brandon Ross
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005, Jeff Cole wrote: Brandon Ross wrote: On Thu, 14 Apr 2005, Sean Donelan wrote: Its called DHCP/PPP, both will auto-magically configure the correct DNS Which doesn't work very well when your provider cannot keep a DNS server up for 10 minutes at a time. See the beginning of

Re: Postini Problems?

2005-04-15 Thread John Levine
I'm seeing delays of arounf 5 hours for mail being sent through Postini at the moment. One of our suppliers complained they hadn't got our normal call-offs and then it arrived, about 5 hours after had been sent. FYI, Postini only talks to their customers, not to senders whose mail they are

Re: New Outage Hits Comcast Subscribers

2005-04-15 Thread Patrick W Gilmore
On Apr 15, 2005, at 8:59 AM, Daniel Golding wrote: Too late. Every Mac ships with a working version of BIND. Its not enabled by default, but it can be turned on with a few keystrokes. Name a flavor of unix which doesn't? And even if you can, name a flavor of unix which can't get it installed

Re: OpenTransit (france telecom) depeers cogent

2005-04-15 Thread Paul Vixie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Daniel Golding) writes: This is part of the game. more like a war. Party A depeers Party B. Party B has received 30 to 60 days notification. That gives party B enough time to do one of two things. 1) They can ensure they have sufficient transit and/or peering with

RE: MD5 for TCP/BGP Sessions

2005-04-15 Thread Doug Legge
I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone at Nanog that has assisted me in the completion of this paper. It's being submitted on Monday and I will be sure to let you know how it goes Once again - THANX Doug MDC Student Kingston University London /UK -Original Message-

Re: New Outage Hits Comcast Subscribers

2005-04-15 Thread Petri Helenius
Daniel Golding wrote: If you take a look at the dslreports.com forums, there are numerous complains about DNS performance from various DSL and cable modem users. I'm not sure how reasonable these complains are. The usual solution from other users is to install a piece of Windows software called

Re: N+? redundancy

2005-04-15 Thread Michael . Dillon
And a very few population centers such as New York, London, Tokyo, and Cheyenne Mountain should probably have more than 5 paths. I disagree. They may need that many spare paths beyond what is required to provide their services, but in my experience pretty much all

Best Practices Knowledge Capture (was: Re: AUP for NANOG?)

2005-04-15 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Thu, Apr 14, 2005 at 12:20:14PM -0700, Steve Gibbard wrote: Speaking just for myself, I'd welcome discussion of operational and design issues specific to edge networks here, and newbie questions are useful as well. If those with experience don't share knowledge with those with less

Re: AUP for NANOG?

2005-04-15 Thread Gregory Hicks
From: Per Gregers Bilse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:46:14 +0100 On Apr 14, 9:22am, Scott Grayban [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The more bashing I hear here the less I want to ask a question here. I'm not stupid but I am worried that one question might spark a rash of flames

Weekly Routing Table Report

2005-04-15 Thread Routing Table Analysis
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. Daily listings are sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any comments please contact Philip Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Routing Table Report 04:00 +10GMT Sat 16 Apr, 2005

Re: OpenTransit (france telecom) depeers cogent

2005-04-15 Thread Fredy Kuenzler
Paul Vixie wrote: in other words, sometimes it's better to take pain in a lump sum than on the time payment plan. if that's what cogent's trying to do, they've got my support. if on the other hand cogent is, as accused here today, dumping transit at below cost, then may they rot in hell.

Re: AUP for NANOG?

2005-04-15 Thread John Dupuy
If interested in such a list, an active one is ISP-CHAT. Details: To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-chat/archives/ Be warned however that it is wildly inflammatory and rarely useful. Perhaps a in-between list that is

Re: OpenTransit (france telecom) depeers cogent

2005-04-15 Thread Tom Vest
On Apr 15, 2005, at 2:10 PM, Fredy Kuenzler wrote: Paul Vixie wrote: in other words, sometimes it's better to take pain in a lump sum than on the time payment plan. if that's what cogent's trying to do, they've got my support. if on the other hand cogent is, as accused here today, dumping

Service providers that NAT their whole network?

2005-04-15 Thread Philip Matthews
A number of IETF documents(*) state that there are some service providers that place a NAT box in front of their entire network, so all their customers get private addresses rather than public address. It is often stated that these are primarily cable-based providers. I am trying to get a handle

Re: Service providers that NAT their whole network?

2005-04-15 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Fri, Apr 15, 2005 at 03:39:56PM -0400, Philip Matthews wrote: A number of IETF documents(*) state that there are some service providers that place a NAT box in front of their entire network, so all their customers get private addresses rather than public address. It is often stated that

Re: Service providers that NAT their whole network?

2005-04-15 Thread Jon Lewis
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005, Philip Matthews wrote: A number of IETF documents(*) state that there are some service providers that place a NAT box in front of their entire network, so all their customers get private addresses rather than public address. It is often stated that these are primarily

Re: Service providers that NAT their whole network?

2005-04-15 Thread Andrew - Supernews
Philip == Philip Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Philip A number of IETF documents(*) state that there are some Philip service providers that place a NAT box in front of their Philip entire network, so all their customers get private addresses Philip rather than public address. It is

Re: Service providers that NAT their whole network?

2005-04-15 Thread sjk
A number of IETF documents(*) state that there are some service providers that place a NAT box in front of their entire network, so all their customers get private addresses rather than public address. It is often stated that these are primarily cable-based providers. I am trying to get a

Re: Service providers that NAT their whole network?

2005-04-15 Thread Steve Meuse
On 4/15/05, Philip Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am trying to get a handle on how common this practice is. No one that I have asked seems to know any provider that does this, and a search of a few FAQs plus about an hour of Googling hasn't turned up anything definite (but maybe I am

Re: Service providers that NAT their whole network?

2005-04-15 Thread Bill Woodcock
A number of IETF documents(*) state that there are some service providers that place a NAT box in front of their entire network, so all their customers get private addresses rather than public address. It is often stated that these are primarily cable-based providers. I

Re: New Outage Hits Comcast Subscribers

2005-04-15 Thread Daniel Golding
I'm not complaining about it - heck, I use it. I just wanted to point out that desktop DNS servers are a reality. Right now, few folks use them. If ISP DNS server quality gets worse or there are a few big outages, we may see desktop DNS usage climb. This may have deleterious effects on the

Re: Service providers that NAT their whole network?

2005-04-15 Thread Scott Call
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005, Philip Matthews wrote: A number of IETF documents(*) state that there are some service providers that place a NAT box in front of their entire network, so all their customers get private addresses rather than public address. It is often stated that these are primarily

RE: Service providers that NAT their whole network?

2005-04-15 Thread Reeves, Rob
Back when I worked at RCN in 1999, they had begun putting cable modem customers behind NAT using 10/8 addresses. This occasionally drew complaints from customers who were expecting a public IP (probably wanted to host a server), but they weren't given much choice. Whether or not they're still

Re: Service providers that NAT their whole network?

2005-04-15 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Fri, Apr 15, 2005 at 01:40:12PM -0700, Scott Call wrote: On Fri, 15 Apr 2005, Philip Matthews wrote: A number of IETF documents(*) state that there are some service providers that place a NAT box in front of their entire network, so all their customers get private addresses rather than

Re: OpenTransit (france telecom) depeers cogent

2005-04-15 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Apr 15, 2005, at 2:10 PM, Fredy Kuenzler wrote: Paul Vixie wrote: in other words, sometimes it's better to take pain in a lump sum than on the time payment plan. if that's what cogent's trying to do, they've got my support. if on the other hand cogent is, as accused here today, dumping

Today's tech news highlights....

2005-04-15 Thread Fergie (Paul Ferguson)
For your perusal: Encarta to Test User Edit System Vint Cerf Slams Net Phone Regulation Study Finds Pervasive Chinese Internet Controls Last-minute tax filers hit the Web Vint Cerf: Hollywood interested in BitTorrent Google's Track by Number Gizmo South Korea Cracks Down on Online Porn

Re: Service providers that NAT their whole network?

2005-04-15 Thread Jeff Kell
While not big by any sense of the word, we NAT [almost] all of our internal network. It wasn't initially a matter of choice, but rather of necessity. We had a sprinklings of small netblocks in the old legacy C swamp, mostly in the old SURAnet/BBN allocation, and after the Genuity takeover they

RFC1918 in-addr.arpa local copies

2005-04-15 Thread Forrest W. Christian
After a routing issue between us and an instance of the RFC1918 anycast servers blackhole-[12].iana.org which caused all sorts of bizzare failures within customer networks, I'm trying to figure out if there is a really good reason why I shouldn't keep a copy of the 1918 zones on my local

Re: RFC1918 in-addr.arpa local copies

2005-04-15 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005, Forrest W. Christian wrote: After a routing issue between us and an instance of the RFC1918 anycast servers blackhole-[12].iana.org which caused all sorts of bizzare failures within customer networks, I'm trying to figure out if there is a really good reason why I

Re: RFC1918 in-addr.arpa local copies

2005-04-15 Thread Paul Vixie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Forrest W. Christian) writes: 1) Is there a good reason why I shouldn't host a local copy of the RFC1918 in-addr zones on my servers? according to RFC 1918, you should do this. 2) I've dug around and haven't been able to find an example of a RFC1918 zone file ala what's