Re: Telephones for Noisy Data Centers

2009-06-18 Thread Vadim Antonov
Try noice-canceling aviation headsets (GA or helicopter models have truly amazing noise suppression). High-end models come with cellphone interface. I don't think cellphones will work in many data centers, but I think rigging interface from a normal cordless phone to the headset is pretty

Re: Hurricane Electric

2009-06-18 Thread bmanning
used them for years, from when they were just a local ISP till today. a good addition to your mix... great value for money. --bill On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 08:41:23PM -0400, Paul Stewart wrote: Hi folks... Looking for some feedback on using Hurricane Electric as an upstream? Thanks,

Re: IPv6 transits (Was: Cogent input)

2009-06-18 Thread Robert Blayzor
On Jun 14, 2009, at 6:04 PM, Jeroen Massar wrote: For people trying to find the list, check: http://www.sixxs.net/faq/connectivity/?faq=ipv6transit Since when has Level3 offered native IPv6? I nag our rep SE's just about every month on when and right now AFAIK it's still just tunnels.

Re: IPv6 transits (Was: Cogent input)

2009-06-18 Thread Nuno Vieira - nfsi telecom
i can confirm that Level(3), at least in Madrid area is only offering tunneled IPv6. --- Nuno Vieira nfsi telecom, lda. nuno.vie...@nfsi.pt Tel. (+351) 21 949 2300 - Fax (+351) 21 949 2301 http://www.nfsi.pt/ - Robert Blayzor rblayzor.b...@inoc.net wrote: On Jun 14, 2009, at 6:04 PM,

Re: IPv6 transits

2009-06-18 Thread Tomas Caslavsky
we are taking Ipv6 from level 3 in London and it's also via tunnel ( they are not able to provide us native). Tomas Caslavsky sth...@nethelp.no wrote: For people trying to find the list, check: http://www.sixxs.net/faq/connectivity/?faq=ipv6transit Since when has Level3 offered

RE: Hurricane Electric

2009-06-18 Thread Paul Stewart
Thanks to everyone who replied to this question - I got a LOT of offline replies plus some of them online here The response was *very* positive and I appreciate again folks taking the time to drop me a line... Paul -Original Message- From: bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com

Re: spamhaus drop list

2009-06-18 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 09:04:50PM -, John Levine wrote: Not that I've ever seen. Nobody else has the breadth of data that Spamhaus does. I've been using it for ages and based on zero complaints, it's never blocked anything that any of my users wanted. I strongly concur with John:

Re: WISP NMS recommendations

2009-06-18 Thread Patrick Shoemaker
Although this would probably be better suited for one of the WISPA lists, I'll respond here anyhow since there seems to be some interest. For managing Canopy elements, Motorola Prizm is probably the way to go. First of all, you'll need it to handle element authentication for your PtMP system.

Re: Wireless bridge

2009-06-18 Thread Joe Tyson
We've used aironet since before cisco owned it. We just recently went fiber for most of the district, but still running one aironet connection a good distance apart. On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net wrote: On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 09:05:56AM -0400, Peter Boone

Re: Wireless bridge

2009-06-18 Thread Chuck Anderson
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 09:05:56AM -0400, Peter Boone wrote: I'm looking for some equipment recommendations for a wireless bridge between two locations approximately 500-800 meters apart. The current setup for this company has been extremely unstable and slow. I don't have a lot of experience

Re: Wireless bridge

2009-06-18 Thread Curtis Maurand
Cisco Aironet www.cisco.com Alvarion www.alvarion.com Aruba www.arubanetworks.com bluesocket www.bluesocket.com I've used all but bluesocket and they all worked pretty well. bluesocket gets good reviews. These are just a few. There are lots of them. Try to use one as and access point and

Re: Wireless bridge

2009-06-18 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Pair of Ubuquiti power station 2 or 5 bridges, 5 would be preferable, under $200 per end. http://www.ubnt.com/downloads/ps5_datasheet.pdf Peter Boone wrote: Hi NANOG, I'm looking for some equipment recommendations for a wireless bridge between two locations approximately 500-800 meters

Re: Unicast Flooding

2009-06-18 Thread Brian Shope
Thanks for all the good info.. So it sounds like changing my CAM timeout to 4 hours is the best suggestion. Anyone have any problems when implementing this?

RE: WISP NMS recommendations

2009-06-18 Thread Tim Huffman
We use Intermapper. It's very flexible, and offers a 'wireless probe' package, which covers Motorola Canopy and their PTP products, along with several other hardware vendors (Alvarion, Atmel, MikroTik, etc). Also, it's written in Java, and runs on just about anything. It does monitoring and

Re: Wireless bridge

2009-06-18 Thread Michael Dillon
(for example, after a good thunderstorm, the wireless link will be down for at least 12 hours, but will fix itself eventually. Sounds like there are trees in the line of sight, and maybe they are getting leafier over the years. The only solution to that is to change the path if it is possible.

Re: Unicast Flooding

2009-06-18 Thread Jeff Kell
Holmes,David A wrote: In a layer 3 switch I consider unicast flooding due to an L2 cam table timeout a design defect. To test vendors' L3 switches for this defect we have used a traffic generator to send 50-100 Mbps of pings to a device that does not reply to the pings, where the L3 switch

RE: Wireless bridge

2009-06-18 Thread Tim Huffman
We're a WISP, so I have lots of experience with this kind of thing. The problem with using 2.4GHz equipment is that there's a whole lot of noise out there (run Network Stumbler sometime on a laptop with a wireless card, and you'll be shocked by just how many wi-fi APs are floating around). You

Re: Cogent input

2009-06-18 Thread L K
Speaking of the devil: Comcast plans to enter into broadband IPv6 technical trials later this year and into 2010, {Barry Tishgart, VP of Internet Services for Comcast} said. Planning for general deployment is underway.

RE: Wireless bridge

2009-06-18 Thread Jason Gurtz
(for example, after a good thunderstorm, the wireless link will be down for at least 12 hours, but will fix itself eventually. Are you sure there's not a moisture problem in the antennae cabling? Get an SWR meter that can handle the 2.4 GHz range and make sure that SWR is very low (approaching

Telephones for Noisy Data Centers

2009-06-18 Thread Rick
The ones I can recommend in that line are the headsets from David Clark. I've used these for decades in some of the harshest noise locations with great success. While most of the adaptors I use are home made I suspect that they can supply one for about any application. They have for me.

RE: Wireless bridge

2009-06-18 Thread Peter Boone
From: Michael Dillon [mailto:wavetos...@googlemail.com] (for example, after a good thunderstorm, the wireless link will be down for at least 12 hours, but will fix itself eventually. Sounds like there are trees in the line of sight, and maybe they are getting leafier over the years. The

question about Mark Koster's ARIN presentation

2009-06-18 Thread Sandy Murphy
This message is sent to the whole nanog list, rather than the nanog-attendees list, as I'm not sure who would be watching that list when the conference is over. I stood up to ask a question at the end of Mark Koster's presentation yesterday, but before I got to the end of the table, he was being

RE: Wireless bridge

2009-06-18 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On Thu, 2009-06-18 at 11:54 -0400, Peter Boone wrote: Oh I know. Luckily it's located in an industrial area just on the outskirts of the city. There isn't a lot of other WiFi (in my opinion); 3-5 total SSIDs spread across 2 of the 3 physical channels (1,6,11) depending on which rooftop you

Re: NANOG Digest, Vol 17, Issue 51

2009-06-18 Thread Chris Ledford
Cisco aironet ...reliable and the ony way to go ... Chris ledford CCNA CCSP CWLSS --Original Message-- From: nanog-requ...@nanog.org To: nanog@nanog.org ReplyTo: nanog@nanog.org Subject: NANOG Digest, Vol 17, Issue 51 Sent: Jun 18, 2009 9:23 AM Send NANOG mailing list submissions to

RE: Wireless bridge

2009-06-18 Thread Tim Huffman
The line of sight is all clear, no trees. Only one building along the way has a rooftop of similar height, but the antennas are extended far above the roofline. We have used a rifle scope to confirm line of sight is all clear at all angles. Unfortunately, you can't necessarily rely on

RE: Wireless bridge

2009-06-18 Thread John van Oppen
To come up with an accurate recommendation one really needs to know your budget, on that distance speeds up to 1 gbit/sec are possible if you spend enough on the radios...Do you have some cost and desired throughput parameters to guide everyone's recommendations? -Original Message-

RE: Wireless bridge

2009-06-18 Thread Peter Boone
-Original Message- From: Lyndon Nerenberg [mailto:lyn...@orthanc.ca] Sent: June 18, 2009 12:11 PM To: Peter Boone Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: Wireless bridge On Thu, 2009-06-18 at 11:54 -0400, Peter Boone wrote: Oh I know. Luckily it's located in an industrial area just on

Re: Wireless bridge

2009-06-18 Thread Jay Hennigan
Jason Gurtz wrote: Are you sure there's not a moisture problem in the antennae cabling? Get an SWR meter that can handle the 2.4 GHz range and make sure that SWR is very low (approaching 1:1 but certainly less than 2:1). Hook up the meter in-line at the AP. Test this after everything is wet

Re: Wireless bridge

2009-06-18 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Jason Gurtz wrote: Are you sure there's not a moisture problem in the antennae cabling? Get an SWR meter that can handle the 2.4 GHz range and make sure that SWR is very low (approaching 1:1 but certainly less than 2:1). Hook up the meter in-line at the AP. Test this after everything is

Re: Wireless bridge

2009-06-18 Thread Charles Wyble
Might I suggest Ubnt.com ? Or a vendor that I use http://www.wlanparts.com/category/ubiquiti/ Couple of these http://www.wlanparts.com/product/BULLET2-D13/Ubiquiti_BULLET2_and_13dBi_24GHz_Panel_Antenna__BULLET2D13.html (100.00 per side or so). Peter Boone wrote: Hi NANOG, I'm

Re: Wireless bridge

2009-06-18 Thread Charles Wyble
+1 for Ubnt gear! Joel Jaeggli wrote: Pair of Ubuquiti power station 2 or 5 bridges, 5 would be preferable, under $200 per end. http://www.ubnt.com/downloads/ps5_datasheet.pdf Peter Boone wrote:

Re: Wireless bridge

2009-06-18 Thread Charles Wyble
2.4 and 5GHz license-free Wifi is license free because the frequencies are shared with the ISM (Industrial/Scientific/Medical) services. In an industrial area, competing WiFi is the least of your worries. These frequencies are also used by industrial grade heating units. Got anyone in the

Re: WISP NMS recommendations

2009-06-18 Thread Charles Wyble
This list is quite active: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless +1 for Wispa. Several knowledgeable people on there, and it's quite active. Lately both NANOG and WISPA have had very high signal. Hopefully it keeps up! :)

Re: Wireless bridge

2009-06-18 Thread Neil Harris
Peter Boone wrote: From: Michael Dillon [mailto:wavetos...@googlemail.com] (for example, after a good thunderstorm, the wireless link will be down for at least 12 hours, but will fix itself eventually. Sounds like there are trees in the line of sight, and maybe they

tire 1 in Montreal

2009-06-18 Thread MKS
Hi List I'm looking for two tier 1 providers in Montreal, with independent fiber runs to the city.Which operator fit this criteria? Thanks in advance //MKS

RE: Wireless bridge

2009-06-18 Thread Bret Clark
On Thu, 2009-06-18 at 09:34 -0700, John van Oppen wrote: -Original Message- From: Tim Huffman [mailto:t...@bobbroadband.com] Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 9:27 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: Wireless bridge The line of sight is all clear, no trees. Only one building along

Re: Unicast Flooding

2009-06-18 Thread Eric Gauthier
Brian, The first is preventing it in the first place. As annoying as this might sound, this is one of the standard operating modes for load balancing within a Microsoft server cluster (see NLB). We've tried to avoid it, but it seems to come up around once a year from someone on our campus...

RE: Is your ISP blocking outgoing port 25?

2009-06-18 Thread Paul Stewart
We still do it and never get any complaints - we don't filter static IP customers but dynamic customers can either use our SMTP relays or alternate ports Paul -Original Message- From: Zhiyun Qian [mailto:zhiy...@umich.edu] Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 3:37 PM To: nanog@nanog.org

Re: question about Mark Koster's ARIN presentation

2009-06-18 Thread kris foster
On Jun 18, 2009, at 12:35 PM, Michael Hallgren wrote: Le jeudi 18 juin 2009 à 12:05 -0400, Sandy Murphy a écrit : This message is sent to the whole nanog list, rather than the nanog-attendees list, How come there is a nanog-attendees list disjunct from the nanog list. Wouldn't it be natural

Re: Is your ISP blocking outgoing port 25?

2009-06-18 Thread Charles Wyble
Zhiyun Qian wrote: It has been long heard that many ISPs block outgoing port 25 for the purpose of reducing spam originated from their network. Well blocking or redirecting to there servers, which have an undocumented filtering policy. All one needs to do in order to bypass that is use a

Re: question about Mark Koster's ARIN presentation

2009-06-18 Thread JC Dill
Michael Hallgren wrote: Le jeudi 18 juin 2009 à 12:05 -0400, Sandy Murphy a écrit : This message is sent to the whole nanog list, rather than the nanog-attendees list, How come there is a nanog-attendees list disjunct from the nanog list. Wouldn't it be natural to broadcast any kind

RE: Is your ISP blocking outgoing port 25?

2009-06-18 Thread Paul Stewart
We don't force SSL but do have several SMTP servers they can use -Original Message- From: Charles Wyble [mailto:char...@thewybles.com] Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 3:55 PM To: NANOG list Subject: Re: Is your ISP blocking outgoing port 25? Do you provide your users an SMTP server to

Re: question about Mark Koster's ARIN presentation

2009-06-18 Thread Michael Hallgren
Le jeudi 18 juin 2009 à 12:51 -0700, kris foster a écrit : On Jun 18, 2009, at 12:35 PM, Michael Hallgren wrote: Le jeudi 18 juin 2009 à 12:05 -0400, Sandy Murphy a écrit : This message is sent to the whole nanog list, rather than the nanog-attendees list, How come there is a

Re: Is your ISP blocking outgoing port 25?

2009-06-18 Thread Joe Provo
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 03:36:44PM -0400, Zhiyun Qian wrote: It has been long heard that many ISPs block outgoing port 25 for the purpose of reducing spam originated from their network. Yes, it is standard practice for non-server accounts and most dynamic-only accounts; only allow

Re: Is your ISP blocking outgoing port 25?

2009-06-18 Thread John Levine
I wonder which ISPs are still doing so. I know comcast has been doing that but they cancelled it after many complaints. It seems to be the same case for Verizon. You're mistaken. Comcast most certainly does port 25 filtering, although not necessarily on every line at every moment. So does

Re: Is your ISP blocking outgoing port 25?

2009-06-18 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On Thu, 2009-06-18 at 16:14 -0400, Joe Provo wrote: then you should be shifting your userbase to authenticated on the SUBMIT port [587] anyway... Except for those ISPs who choose to intercept port 587 as well. This is a big problem with Rogers in Vancouver. They hijack port 587 connections

Re: Is your ISP blocking outgoing port 25?

2009-06-18 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Lyndon Nerenberglyn...@orthanc.ca wrote: On Thu, 2009-06-18 at 16:14 -0400, Joe Provo wrote: then you should be shifting your userbase to authenticated on the SUBMIT port [587] anyway... Except for those ISPs who choose to intercept port 587 as well. This is

Re: Unicast Flooding

2009-06-18 Thread Steven King
Very true Eric. Microsoft even acknowledges the issue, and still has not fixed it. I have had a few customers use NLB and have this issue. Eric Gauthier wrote: Brian, The first is preventing it in the first place. As annoying as this might sound, this is one of the standard

Re: Is your ISP blocking outgoing port 25?

2009-06-18 Thread Jack Bates
Christopher Morrow wrote: in all seriousness, most isp's (consumer provider folk) today do some form of blocking of port 25, if you are 'smart' enough to evade this sort of thing, then you can still do email/blah. 99.999% of users are: 1) not interested in bypassing it 2) not clued into what's

Re: Unicast Flooding

2009-06-18 Thread Julio Arruda
Steven King wrote: Very true Eric. Microsoft even acknowledges the issue, and still has not fixed it. I have had a few customers use NLB and have this issue. Eric Gauthier wrote: Brian, The first is preventing it in the first place. As annoying as this might sound, this is one of

Ciena Help around Atlanta

2009-06-18 Thread Scott Berkman
All, If there is anyone good with Ciena Online Metro systems that would be willing to do some contract work around Atlanta, please contact me off list. Thanks! -Scott

RE: [SPAM-HEADER] - Re: tire 1 in Montreal - Email has different SMTP TO: and MIME TO: fields in the email addresses

2009-06-18 Thread Rod Beck
Hibernia Atlantic is a leading wholesaler on that route. Many IP backbones use us. Most carriers use 360 conduit into Montreal. We do not. Lots of carriers use Wiltel conduit into Buffalo and then 360 into Canada. Roderick S. Beck Director of European Sales Hibernia Atlantic

RE: tire 1 in Montreal

2009-06-18 Thread Paul Stewart
Level(3) has a lot of fiber in that ring route ... not sure who else covers those areas from a physical perspective Paul -Original Message- From: MKS [mailto:rekordmeis...@gmail.com] Sent: June 18, 2009 6:08 PM To: Nuno Vieira - nfsi telecom Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: tire 1

Re: Wireless bridge

2009-06-18 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Peter Boone wrote: - Get a unit with radio/antenna integrated, PoE from inside the building (outdoor rated cat5, shielded I assume), Actually shielding doesn't matter so much and it requires that the rj45 connector and socket be similarly sheilded to be effective, the salient points are: uv

Re: Wireless bridge

2009-06-18 Thread Justin Sharp
I didn't read through all of the replies to see if this was suggested, apologies if it was. http://www.solectek.com/products.php?prod=sw7kpage=feat I implemented a PTP link at about 3 miles using these Solectek radios. I get 40Mbps consistently with TCP traffic and ~100Mbps UDP. This PTP link