Re: Squeezing IPs out of ARIN

2012-04-26 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 4/25/12, Jack Bates jba...@brightok.net wrote: On 4/25/2012 10:31 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: There is nothing whatsoever wrong with providing the information to ARIN under NDA. ARIN provides a very good (IMHO) plain English mutual -- Sure, and small ISP techs immediately think of NDAs when

Re: Squeezing IPs out of ARIN

2012-04-26 Thread Joe Maimon
Owen DeLong wrote: RWHOIS is a perfectly valid alternative to SWIP. Owen I actually got RWHOIS working a while back. But then faced with the prospect of loading it up, I decided that ARIN templates were actually easier to use. And with their restful interface, even more so.

Re: Squeezing IPs out of ARIN

2012-04-26 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
It is an extremely rare ISP that has an rwhois server, and then ensures that it remains available, up and answering queries. And even rarer when the ISP ensures that its rwhois records are up to date and not hopelessly stale. On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Joe Maimon jmai...@ttec.com wrote:

Re: Squeezing IPs out of ARIN

2012-04-26 Thread Owen DeLong
Actually, most of the ISPs I know that use RWHOIS instead of SWIP do so tying the RWHOIS server into their IP management database through an automated process (if not just live queries). However, you are right that most ISPs use SWIP. Owen On Apr 26, 2012, at 7:02 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian

Re: Squeezing IPs out of ARIN

2012-04-26 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
They do, they do .. but there's all kinds of rwhois unfortunately. suresh@frodo 07:41:38 :~$ telnet rwhois.level3.net 4321 Trying 209.244.1.179... ^C [keeps timing out] suresh@frodo 07:48:17 :~$ telnet rwhois.hostnoc.net 4321 Trying 64.191.49.26... Connected to rwhois.hostnoc.net. Escape

Re: Squeezing IPs out of ARIN

2012-04-26 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Though to be fair that is probably legacy and level3 does swip its customers. On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian ops.li...@gmail.com wrote: suresh@frodo 07:41:38 :~$ telnet rwhois.level3.net 4321 Trying 209.244.1.179... ^C [keeps timing out] -- Suresh Ramasubramanian

Re: Squeezing IPs out of ARIN

2012-04-26 Thread Jack Bates
On 4/26/2012 1:05 AM, Jimmy Hess wrote: If resources are used to provide service to a customer, it is not unreasonable that ARIN require that this to be shown, what customer, etc -- the org. assigning or reallocating the resources is required to have documented this. In addition to this

Re: Squeezing IPs out of ARIN

2012-04-26 Thread William Herrin
On 4/26/12, Joe Maimon jmai...@ttec.com wrote: Owen DeLong wrote: RWHOIS is a perfectly valid alternative to SWIP. I actually got RWHOIS working a while back. But then faced with the prospect of loading it up, I decided that ARIN templates were actually easier to use. The rwhois software

Re: Squeezing IPs out of ARIN

2012-04-26 Thread William Herrin
On 4/26/12, Jack Bates jba...@brightok.net wrote: On 4/26/2012 1:05 AM, Jimmy Hess wrote: In addition to this documentation, for reallocations of /29 or more IPs, SWIP or Rwhois is also required by policy. It is unreasonable to require detailed customer information on /32 static

Operation Ghost Click

2012-04-26 Thread Jeroen van Aart
Excuse the horrible subject :-) Anyone have anything insightful to say about it? Is it just lots of fuss about nothing or is it an actual substantial problem? http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2011/november/malware_110911 Update on March 12, 2012: To assist victims affected by the DNSChanger

Re: Operation Ghost Click

2012-04-26 Thread Andrew Latham
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Jeroen van Aart jer...@mompl.net wrote: Excuse the horrible subject :-) Anyone have anything insightful to say about it? Is it just lots of fuss about nothing or is it an actual substantial problem? http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2011/november/malware_110911

Re: Operation Ghost Click

2012-04-26 Thread Leigh Porter
On 26 Apr 2012, at 22:47, Andrew Latham lath...@gmail.commailto:lath...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Jeroen van Aart jer...@mompl.netmailto:jer...@mompl.net wrote: Yes its a major problem for the users unknowingly infected. To them it will look like their Internet

Re: Operation Ghost Click

2012-04-26 Thread Paul Graydon
On 04/26/2012 11:44 AM, Andrew Latham wrote: On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Jeroen van Aartjer...@mompl.net wrote: Excuse the horrible subject :-) Anyone have anything insightful to say about it? Is it just lots of fuss about nothing or is it an actual substantial problem?

Re: Operation Ghost Click

2012-04-26 Thread Andrew Fried
I suggest you reach out to Shadowserver or Team Cymru if you're a netblock owner. They can provide daily reports of infected IPs. Andy Andrew Fried andrew.fr...@gmail.com On 4/26/12 5:50 PM, Leigh Porter wrote: On 26 Apr 2012, at 22:47, Andrew Latham

Re: Operation Ghost Click

2012-04-26 Thread Kyle Creyts
http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2011/november/malware_110911/DNS-changer-malware.pdf On Apr 26, 2012 5:48 PM, Leigh Porter leigh.por...@ukbroadband.com wrote: On 26 Apr 2012, at 22:47, Andrew Latham lath...@gmail.commailto: lath...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Jeroen van

Re: Operation Ghost Click

2012-04-26 Thread Andrew Latham
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Kyle Creyts kyle.cre...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2011/november/malware_110911/DNS-changer-malware.pdf On Apr 26, 2012 5:48 PM, Leigh Porter leigh.por...@ukbroadband.com wrote: On 26 Apr 2012, at 22:47, Andrew Latham

Re: Squeezing IPs out of ARIN

2012-04-26 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 08:31:44AM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote: On Apr 24, 2012, at 9:57 PM, Jack Bates wrote: I sometimes wonder what happens to that information; if it sits around in an archive somewhere in the vast digital repositories of ARIN awaiting someone to steal it. That's a very

Re: Operation Ghost Click

2012-04-26 Thread Kyle Creyts
Thanks, Andrew. I was out and about, and couldn't remember the prefixes off-hand. They should have been in that PDF, iirc On Apr 26, 2012 6:01 PM, Andrew Latham lath...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Kyle Creyts kyle.cre...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Squeezing IPs out of ARIN

2012-04-26 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 4/26/12, Jack Bates jba...@brightok.net wrote: In addition to this documentation, for reallocations of /29 or more IPs, SWIP or Rwhois is also required by policy. It is unreasonable to require detailed customer information on /32 static assignments which make up the smallest fraction of

RE: Operation Ghost Click

2012-04-26 Thread Frank Bulk
The good folks at Shadowserver has been giving us a feed of IPs that are hitting those DNS server since November and last month we got the last of the customers cleaned up. Not all ISPs are non-proactive. Frank -Original Message- From: Paul Graydon [mailto:p...@paulgraydon.co.uk]

Re: Squeezing IPs out of ARIN

2012-04-26 Thread Owen DeLong
On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:47 AM, Jack Bates wrote: On 4/26/2012 1:05 AM, Jimmy Hess wrote: If resources are used to provide service to a customer, it is not unreasonable that ARIN require that this to be shown, what customer, etc -- the org. assigning or reallocating the resources is required

Re: Squeezing IPs out of ARIN

2012-04-26 Thread William Herrin
On 4/26/12, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:47 AM, Jack Bates wrote: It is unreasonable to require detailed customer information on /32 static assignments which make up the smallest fraction of space compared to the huge blocks of dhcp pools (pools which justify

Re: Squeezing IPs out of ARIN

2012-04-26 Thread Jack Bates
On 4/26/2012 7:09 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote: ome show commands will show DHCP server usage, but not conclusive proof of the utilization of the address space. Because the show commands are not independently verifiable -- for all the RIR knows, someone plugged in a big stack of $10 modems just to

Re: Operation Ghost Click

2012-04-26 Thread Jeff Kell
On 4/26/2012 5:44 PM, Andrew Latham wrote: Yes its a major problem for the users unknowingly infected. To them it will look like their Internet connection is down. Expect ISPs to field lots of support calls. And what about the millions of users unknowingly infected with something else ??