Re: Eye protection in DWDM systems -- what threshold?

2009-06-09 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Tue, 9 Jun 2009, Kevin Hodle wrote: Hi Deepak, Most modern DWDM transponders with 160km network side optics will be launching anywhere from -2dBm to +2dBm depending on how warm the laser is, assuming a +2 dBm launch you are looking at around 1.6mW - It might be good to note that there

Re: Eye protection in DWDM systems -- what threshold?

2009-06-09 Thread David Freedman
I forget who the vendor is now, but their shelves are sealed with a door which, when opened, turns off all the lasers on the shelf so you can work on it, yes, a simple provisioning operation causes an outage / protection switchover!! Dave. Deepak Jain wrote: At what power level do DWDM systems

Re: Eye protection in DWDM systems -- what threshold?

2009-06-09 Thread Robert E. Seastrom
Deepak Jain dee...@ai.net writes: Any pointers to a document saying 1550nm becomes dangerous at dbM? Even -30 dBM would be pretty dangerous. You sure you don't mean dBm? ;-) -r

Re: Eye protection in DWDM systems -- what threshold?

2009-06-09 Thread Jeff Kell
Reminds me of the old warning/attention sign over a termination rack... WARNING: Do not look into laser with remaining eye. Jeff

Re: Eye protection in DWDM systems -- what threshold?

2009-06-09 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Jun 9, 2009, at 12:43 PM, Jeff Kell wrote: Reminds me of the old warning/attention sign over a termination rack... WARNING: Do not look into laser with remaining eye. It will be the last thing you never saw. -- TTFN, patrick

Re: Eye protection in DWDM systems -- what threshold?

2009-06-09 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 12:43:09PM -0400, Jeff Kell wrote: Reminds me of the old warning/attention sign over a termination rack... WARNING: Do not look into laser with remaining eye. The only problem with those funny signs is they scare remote hands techs into never looking at a fiber

Re: Eye protection in DWDM systems -- what threshold?

2009-06-09 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Jun 9, 2009, at 2:06 PM, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 12:43:09PM -0400, Jeff Kell wrote: Reminds me of the old warning/attention sign over a termination rack... WARNING: Do not look into laser with remaining eye. The only problem with those funny signs is they

Re: Eye protection in DWDM systems -- what threshold?

2009-06-09 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 01:06:42PM -0500, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: The only problem with those funny signs is they scare remote hands techs into never looking at a fiber because they don't want to try and understand the difference between a SX GBIC and a class 3

Re: Eye protection in DWDM systems -- what threshold?

2009-06-09 Thread Deepak Jain
Leo Bicknell wrote: In a message written on Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 01:06:42PM -0500, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: The only problem with those funny signs is they scare remote hands techs into never looking at a fiber because they don't want to try and understand the difference between a SX

Re: Eye protection in DWDM systems -- what threshold?

2009-06-09 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 04:06:58PM -0400, Deepak Jain wrote: This conversation has gone places I didn't expect. Leo, that card is pretty cool, but for a few hundred $$ more, you can get a light meter (if someone is smart enough to use the card...) Now if only you could train people to use

Re: Eye protection in DWDM systems -- what threshold?

2009-06-09 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Deepak Jain wrote: Does anyone *use* any eye protection (other that not looking at the light, turning off the light etc) -- I mean like protective goggles, etc, when doing simple things like adding/removing patch cables from an SMF patch panel. There are osha requirements and ansi

Re: Eye protection in DWDM systems -- what threshold?

2009-06-09 Thread Kevin Loch
On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 04:06:58PM -0400, Deepak Jain wrote: This conversation has gone places I didn't expect. Leo, that card is pretty cool, but for a few hundred $$ more, you can get a light meter (if someone is smart enough to use the card...) In a pinch the camera on a MacBook pro can be

Re: Eye protection in DWDM systems -- what threshold?

2009-06-09 Thread Michael Painter
- Original Message - From: Kevin Loch kl...@kl.net Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 12:17 PM Subject: Re: Eye protection in DWDM systems -- what threshold? In a pinch the camera on a MacBook pro can be used to detect presence of IR light. Here's light from a 10Gbase

Eye protection in DWDM systems -- what threshold?

2009-06-08 Thread Deepak Jain
At what power level do DWDM systems become dangerous to work near (i.e. not staring into any optics, using light meters, etc)? I never see technicians on inside DWDM systems using eye protection, but I see power levels of amps going higher and higher. On a recent meter I saw almost .6mW...

Re: Eye protection in DWDM systems -- what threshold?

2009-06-08 Thread Joel Jaeggli
There are erbium doped raman lasers with output of up to 10 watts continuous wave, they are (obviously) class 4 devices and are considered hazardous. 3r and 3b emitters shouldn't be directly exposed to the eye, and carry an appropriate warnings. the 10-80km stuff should all be 1 or 1m and does't