Re: FUD: 15% of world's internet traffic hijacked

2010-12-02 Thread James Hess
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Brett Watson br...@the-watsons.org wrote: I'm not able to get my fingers or thumbs to randomly (seemingly) select approximately 15% of all prefixes, originate those, modify filters so I can do so, and also somehow divert it to another router that doesn't have

Re: FUD: 15% of world's internet traffic hijacked

2010-12-02 Thread Jeremy L. Gaddis
Hanlon's razor? On Dec 1, 2010 6:43 PM, Brett Watson br...@the-watsons.org wrote: On Dec 1, 2010, at 4:17 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: sometimes I love to pull your chain... :) I agree though that folks won't publish this data (in general) directly, for whatever reason. Also, right '15% of

Re: FUD: 15% of world's internet traffic hijacked

2010-12-01 Thread Randy Bush
At the very least you might want to review: http://www.renesys.com/blog/2010/11/chinas-18-minute-mystery.shtml Renesys provides one data point but there are others that clearly show traffic routed *through* China (meaning they did indeed originate/hijack, and then pass data on to the original

Re: FUD: 15% of world's internet traffic hijacked

2010-12-01 Thread Marshall Eubanks
Dear Randy; On Dec 1, 2010, at 3:28 PM, Randy Bush wrote: At the very least you might want to review: http://www.renesys.com/blog/2010/11/chinas-18-minute-mystery.shtml Renesys provides one data point but there are others that clearly show traffic routed *through* China (meaning they did

Re: FUD: 15% of world's internet traffic hijacked

2010-12-01 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: as usual i see no traffic measurements in the renesys note.  i see inference of traffic based on some control plane measurements.  and, has been shown, such inferences are highly suspect. it's fairly clear though that you won't

Re: FUD: 15% of world's internet traffic hijacked

2010-12-01 Thread Randy Bush
it's fairly clear though that you won't get traffic information without looking at the interconnects between the offending parties yep conspiracy-hatalso, you won't get the traffic stats from the offending parties/conspiracy-hat and how much traffic data does google publish? or iij or

Re: FUD: 15% of world's internet traffic hijacked

2010-12-01 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: conspiracy-hatalso, you won't get the traffic stats from the offending parties/conspiracy-hat and how much traffic data does google publish? or iij or ntt?  oops!  cho, fukuda, esaki, kato [0] did show real traffic data from

Re: FUD: 15% of world's internet traffic hijacked

2010-12-01 Thread Brett Watson
On Dec 1, 2010, at 4:17 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: sometimes I love to pull your chain... :) I agree though that folks won't publish this data (in general) directly, for whatever reason. Also, right '15% of traffic' really should have been '15% of routes*' Agreed, I should have been more

Re: FUD: 15% of world's internet traffic hijacked

2010-11-29 Thread Brett Watson
On Nov 17, 2010, at 9:45 AM, Bob Poortinga wrote: My concern is that this report will be presented to the US Congress without being refuted by experts in the know. My request is that someone with some gravitas please issue a press release setting the facts straight on this matter. I have

FUD: 15% of world's internet traffic hijacked

2010-11-17 Thread Bob Poortinga
This is starting to be picked up by mainstream media, but was was first reported here (I believe): http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/blog/Lists/Posts/Post.aspx?ID=249 Cyber Experts Have Proof That China Has Hijacked U.S.-Based Internet Traffic For 18 minutes in April, China.s

Re: FUD: 15% of world's internet traffic hijacked

2010-11-17 Thread Ryan Rawdon
On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 11:45:14 -0500, Bob Poortinga bobp+na...@webster.tsc.com wrote: This is starting to be picked up by mainstream media, but was was first reported here (I believe): http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/blog/Lists/Posts/Post.aspx?ID=249 Cyber Experts Have Proof That

Re: FUD: 15% of world's internet traffic hijacked

2010-11-17 Thread Marshall Eubanks
Anyone want to give me a quote for an AmericaFree.TV report ? Off-list, please. Regards Marshall On Nov 17, 2010, at 11:51 AM, Ryan Rawdon wrote: On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 11:45:14 -0500, Bob Poortinga bobp+na...@webster.tsc.com wrote: This is starting to be picked up by mainstream media, but

Re: FUD: 15% of world's internet traffic hijacked

2010-11-17 Thread John Kristoff
On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 11:45:14 -0500 Bob Poortinga bobp+na...@webster.tsc.com wrote: This article, which quotes Dmitri Alperovitch of McAfee, is full of false data as far as I can tell. I assert that much less than 15%, probably on the order of 1% to 2% (much less in the US) was actually