Re: OSPF Costs Formula that include delay.

2014-01-25 Thread Mark Tinka
On Friday, January 24, 2014 10:36:48 PM Owen DeLong wrote: Of course this all fails miserably if you are using anything like MPLS underneath your OSPF. Specifically, fails miserably if you use RSVP-TE to build your MPLS backbone. LDP follows IGP cost (has to be manually enabled in Junos),

Re: OSPF Costs Formula that include delay.

2014-01-25 Thread Mark Tinka
On Friday, January 24, 2014 10:59:19 PM Owen DeLong wrote: I wasn’t attempting to promote or discourage use of MPLS. I was merely endeavoring to point out that in an MPLS world, OSPF costs are not how you want to manage your traffic. Again, only an issue when using RSVP-TE. I'd recommend

Re: OSPF Costs Formula that include delay.

2014-01-25 Thread Mark Tinka
On Saturday, January 25, 2014 08:10:54 AM Graham Beneke wrote: The auto-cost capability in some vendors devices seems to have left many people ignoring the link metrics within their IGP. From what I recall in the standards - bandwidth is one possible link metric but certainly not the only

Re: OSPF Costs Formula that include delay.

2014-01-25 Thread Jeff Tantsura
A path to a destination must be loop free, irrespectively. So it is not a combination of multiple but rather a list of loop free paths to a destination where any other metrics are used as tie-breakers. Another story - how do you get all that state distributed, inter-area cases, how do you make

RE: OSPF Costs Formula that include delay.

2014-01-24 Thread Erik Sundberg
To: Erik Sundberg; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: OSPF Costs Formula that include delay. - Original Message - From: Erik Sundberg esundb...@nitelusa.com To: nanog@nanog.org nanog@nanog.org Cc: Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 4:47 PM Subject: OSPF Costs Formula that include delay. What

Re: OSPF Costs Formula that include delay.

2014-01-24 Thread Owen DeLong
...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 9:03 PM To: Erik Sundberg; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: OSPF Costs Formula that include delay. - Original Message - From: Erik Sundberg esundb...@nitelusa.com To: nanog@nanog.org nanog@nanog.org Cc: Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 4:47 PM

RE: OSPF Costs Formula that include delay.

2014-01-24 Thread Raymond Burkholder
Some networks I have worked with took the average latency of each link and assigned that (with some constant multiple) as the interface cost. Of course this all fails miserably if you are using anything like MPLS underneath your OSPF. But then when using MPLS underneath, then MPLS

Re: OSPF Costs Formula that include delay.

2014-01-24 Thread Jeff Tantsura
- From: Erik Sundberg esundb...@nitelusa.com Date: Friday, January 24, 2014 12:26 PM To: Randy randy_94...@yahoo.com, nanog@nanog.org nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: OSPF Costs Formula that include delay. I understand OSPF default calculation for cost doesn't include delay. I am looking

Re: OSPF Costs Formula that include delay.

2014-01-24 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jan 24, 2014, at 12:41 PM, Raymond Burkholder r...@oneunified.net wrote: Some networks I have worked with took the average latency of each link and assigned that (with some constant multiple) as the interface cost. Of course this all fails miserably if you are using anything like MPLS

Re: OSPF Costs Formula that include delay.

2014-01-24 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Jeff Tantsura jeff.tants...@ericsson.comwrote: Eric, Issues: 1.OSPF (SPF) can only produce a SPT based on cost (metric). Anything else would require CSPF rather than SPF. A CSPF based protocol would be a suitable algorithm for adding hard constraints,

Re: OSPF Costs Formula that include delay.

2014-01-24 Thread Graham Beneke
The auto-cost capability in some vendors devices seems to have left many people ignoring the link metrics within their IGP. From what I recall in the standards - bandwidth is one possible link metric but certainly not the only one. Network designers are free (and I would encourage to) pick

OSPF Costs Formula that include delay.

2014-01-23 Thread Erik Sundberg
What is everyone using for an OSPF cost formula that factors in a circuits delay and bandwidth (10M-100G)??? Thanks in advance CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail transmission, and any documents, files or previous e-mail messages attached to it may

Re: OSPF Costs Formula that include delay.

2014-01-23 Thread Randy
- Original Message - From: Erik Sundberg esundb...@nitelusa.com To: nanog@nanog.org nanog@nanog.org Cc: Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 4:47 PM Subject: OSPF Costs Formula that include delay. What is everyone using for an OSPF cost formula that factors in a circuits delay