Re: Route Server Filters at IXPs and 4-byte ASNs

2014-02-05 Thread Martin Pels
Jeffrey, On Tue, 4 Feb 2014 22:53:40 -0500 Jeffrey Haas jh...@pfrc.org wrote: Sent from my iPad On Jan 25, 2014, at 1:37 PM, Nick Hilliard n...@foobar.org wrote: On 25/01/2014 15:48, Sebastian Spies wrote: To make things worse: even if the IXPs ASN is 2-byte, I would assume,

Re: Route Server Filters at IXPs and 4-byte ASNs

2014-02-05 Thread Randy Bush
The token to simplify is currently mine. The messy bit was an attempt to try to push policy algebra into the packet format. jeezus! Cleaning up the document will take probably another two rounds but a terse description of where it should be going is template based structured communities.

Re: Route Server Filters at IXPs and 4-byte ASNs

2014-02-05 Thread Jeffrey Haas
Martin, On Wed, Feb 05, 2014 at 10:06:31AM +0100, Martin Pels wrote: Wide communities is the wrong tool here. You want this: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-06 This draft does not cater for the use case of describing a 32-bit ASN peering with a

Re: Route Server Filters at IXPs and 4-byte ASNs

2014-02-05 Thread Jared Mauch
On Feb 5, 2014, at 8:52 AM, Jeffrey Haas jh...@pfrc.org wrote: This draft does not cater for the use case of describing a 32-bit ASN peering with a 32-bit route server, which would require a 4-byte Global Administrator as well as a 4-byte Local Administrator sub-field. I think that's the

Re: Route Server Filters at IXPs and 4-byte ASNs

2014-02-05 Thread Jeffrey Haas
On Wed, Feb 05, 2014 at 09:02:52AM -0500, Jared Mauch wrote: On Feb 5, 2014, at 8:52 AM, Jeffrey Haas jh...@pfrc.org wrote: This draft does not cater for the use case of describing a 32-bit ASN peering with a 32-bit route server, which would require a 4-byte Global Administrator

Re: Route Server Filters at IXPs and 4-byte ASNs

2014-02-05 Thread Jared Mauch
On Feb 5, 2014, at 9:21 AM, Jeffrey Haas jh...@pfrc.org wrote: The wide comms draft (and flex comms, where some of the ideas were pulled in from) was intended to address the messier case where the meaning of a community was already structured. To pick on one of the items in the list:

Re: Route Server Filters at IXPs and 4-byte ASNs

2014-02-04 Thread Jeffrey Haas
Sent from my iPad On Jan 25, 2014, at 1:37 PM, Nick Hilliard n...@foobar.org wrote: On 25/01/2014 15:48, Sebastian Spies wrote: To make things worse: even if the IXPs ASN is 2-byte, I would assume, that RS implementors chose to interpret extended community strings as always being in the

Re: Route Server Filters at IXPs and 4-byte ASNs

2014-02-04 Thread Jeffrey Haas
Sent from my iPad On Jan 25, 2014, at 5:50 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: http://tools.ietf.org/search/draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities-03 To me, that draft looks hugely complicated, like everything you could possibly think of was thrown in. aol do we have a chat with robert or

Re: Route Server Filters at IXPs and 4-byte ASNs

2014-01-26 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 14:56:16 +0100, Sebastian Spies said: ASNs. First of all, we have no data or experience about 4-byte ASN adoption and are therefore unable to evaluate, if we should rush for the last available numbers. 2-byte ASN depletion - the other white meat pgpGzY2hmFQkH.pgp

Re: Route Server Filters at IXPs and 4-byte ASNs

2014-01-25 Thread Rubens Kuhl
What happens, if the IXP uses a 4-byte ASN? RFC5668 (4-Octet AS Specific BGP Extended Community) defines Global Admin,4bytes:Local Admin, 2bytes. I have been asking some IXP operators, about their practice and their reply was 4-byte ASNs are supported by our RS. What's your experience? Did

Re: Route Server Filters at IXPs and 4-byte ASNs

2014-01-25 Thread Job Snijders
Dear Sebastian, On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 02:56:16PM +0100, Sebastian Spies wrote: So here's the thing: IXPs usually implement N:M filtering based on standard community strings. As standard BGP communities support only 4 bytes, this only works for IXPs with 2-byte ASNs and peers with 2-byte

Re: Route Server Filters at IXPs and 4-byte ASNs

2014-01-25 Thread Bryan Socha
I have over 100,000 servers located in routing diverse datacenters with 4byte ASN numbers and have not had 1 problem or complaint related to the ASN for not able to communicate with the datacenter. The first 1 did make me really nervous for all of the reasons already mentioned but turned out to

Re: Route Server Filters at IXPs and 4-byte ASNs

2014-01-25 Thread Job Snijders
On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 10:04:30AM -0500, Bryan Socha wrote: I have over 100,000 servers located in routing diverse datacenters with 4byte ASN numbers and have not had 1 problem or complaint related to the ASN for not able to communicate with the datacenter. The first 1 did make me really

Re: Route Server Filters at IXPs and 4-byte ASNs

2014-01-25 Thread Bryan Socha
Re-reading, I was thinking of someone connecting to an IXP, not a new IXP needing a 2Byte.This is an interesting situation and you are correct, my comment was off topic. *Bryan Socha* Network Engineer 646.450.0472 | *br...@serverstack.com br...@serverstack.com* *ServerStack* | Scale Big

Re: Route Server Filters at IXPs and 4-byte ASNs

2014-01-25 Thread Sebastian Spies
Am 25.01.2014 16:38, schrieb Bryan Socha: Re-reading, I was thinking of someone connecting to an IXP, not a new IXP needing a 2Byte.This is an interesting situation and you are correct, my comment was off topic. Sorry for not mentioning the beef: Extended Communities effectively leave 6

Re: Route Server Filters at IXPs and 4-byte ASNs

2014-01-25 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 25/01/2014 15:48, Sebastian Spies wrote: To make things worse: even if the IXPs ASN is 2-byte, I would assume, that RS implementors chose to interpret extended community strings as always being in the format 4-byte:2-byte (see RFC5668). some ixp operators (e.g. me) are rather enthusiastic

RE: Route Server Filters at IXPs and 4-byte ASNs

2014-01-25 Thread Jakob Heitz
) if it contained just useful stuff. -- Jakob Heitz. Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 18:37:42 + From: Nick Hilliard n...@foobar.org To: Sebastian Spies s+mailinglisten.na...@sloc.de, nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Route Server Filters at IXPs and 4-byte ASNs Message-ID

Re: Route Server Filters at IXPs and 4-byte ASNs

2014-01-25 Thread Randy Bush
http://tools.ietf.org/search/draft-raszuk-wide-bgp-communities-03 To me, that draft looks hugely complicated, like everything you could possibly think of was thrown in. aol do we have a chat with robert or push an alternative so that the wg is pushed to compromise? randy

Re: Route Server Filters at IXPs and 4-byte ASNs

2014-01-25 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 25/01/2014 22:50, Randy Bush wrote: do we have a chat with robert or push an alternative so that the wg is pushed to compromise? i get the impression that Robert realises that the current draft is unworkably complicated. Nick