Cyclops: an open eye to your network (beta release)

2009-03-11 Thread Ricardo Oliveira
Hi, Just to let you know about Cyclops (beta for now), a tool for topology visibility and real-time routing anomaly detection/alerting for service providers and enterprise networks. Cyclops uses real time data from hundreds of vantage points of route-views, ripe-ris, packet clearing

Dynamic IP log retention = 0?

2009-03-11 Thread Brett Charbeneau
I've been nudging an operator at Covad about a handful of hosts from his DHCP pool that have been attacking - relentlessly port scanning - our assets. I've been informed by this individual that there's no way to determine which customer had that address at the times I list in my logs - even

RE: Dynamic IP log retention = 0?

2009-03-11 Thread Darden, Patrick S.
I think your next step is your lawyer. Put all your missives, your email, your phone conversations, your logs, your auditing results, your detection troubleshooting and sleuthing trails etc. in a folder, create a one page summary including any damages you feel might have been caused (e.g. time,

RE: Dynamic IP log retention = 0?

2009-03-11 Thread Jon Lewis
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, Darden, Patrick S. wrote: I think your next step is your lawyer. Put all your missives, your email, your phone conversations, your logs, your auditing results, your detection troubleshooting and sleuthing trails etc. in a folder, create a one page summary including any

Re: Dynamic IP log retention = 0?

2009-03-11 Thread Joe Abley
On 11-Mar-2009, at 10:03, Jon Lewis wrote: but what's the point in getting lawyers involved? It might convince some pointy-haired person at covad to review the policies and procedures on the abuse desk, maybe. Whatever access isn't supposed to be open should be filtered. If you can

Re: Dynamic IP log retention = 0?

2009-03-11 Thread William Allen Simpson
Brett Charbeneau wrote: I've been nudging an operator at Covad about a handful of hosts from his DHCP pool that have been attacking - relentlessly port scanning - our assets. Port scanning is rather common, and shouldn't be considered attacking -- unless it's taking a significant amount

Re: Dynamic IP log retention = 0?

2009-03-11 Thread Brett Charbeneau
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, William Allen Simpson wrote: WAS While I applaud your taking security seriously, and your active monitoring WAS of your resources, other folks might be handling huge numbers of Conficker, WAS Mebroot, and Torpig infections these days. So, they might be rather busy.

Re: Dynamic IP log retention = 0?

2009-03-11 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:28:33 -0400 Joe Abley jab...@hopcount.ca wrote: On 11-Mar-2009, at 10:03, Jon Lewis wrote: but what's the point in getting lawyers involved? It might convince some pointy-haired person at covad to review the policies and procedures on the abuse desk, maybe.

Re: Dynamic IP log retention = 0?

2009-03-11 Thread Rubens Kuhl
Covad telling you they don't keep logs is different from them not really having the logs... but, if they really don't keep logs, they are posing a risk that FBI or DHS might not be happy with. The feds will probably be more persuasive than you, so maybe hinting them about this situation may change

Re: Dynamic IP log retention = 0?

2009-03-11 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:42:40 -0300 Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote: Covad telling you they don't keep logs is different from them not really having the logs... but, if they really don't keep logs, they are posing a risk that FBI or DHS might not be happy with. The feds will probably be

Re: Dynamic IP log retention = 0?

2009-03-11 Thread Marcus Reid
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:55:43AM -0400, Brett Charbeneau wrote: On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, William Allen Simpson wrote: WAS While I applaud your taking security seriously, and your active monitoring WAS of your resources, other folks might be handling huge numbers of Conficker, WAS Mebroot,

Re: Dynamic IP log retention = 0?

2009-03-11 Thread Charles
Hope you did that scan from covad. Lol. *ducks* Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

Re: Dynamic IP log retention = 0?

2009-03-11 Thread Brett Charbeneau
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, Marcus Reid wrote: MR A quick scan of the reverse mapping for your address space in DNS reveals MR that you have basically your entire network on public addresses. No wonder MR you're worried about portscans when the printer down the hall and the MR receptionists machine are

Re: Dynamic IP log retention = 0?

2009-03-11 Thread Alec Berry
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jon Lewis wrote: If port scans really bother you, then you should setup a system to detect them, and regularly rebuild ACLs/null route lists/etc. to stop them in near real time. AFAIK, Cisco sells such a product, as do other network vendors

RE: Redundant Array of Inexpensive ISP's?

2009-03-11 Thread chris.ranch
Yes and no. Yes, in that it does best path selection, no in that it does not use BGP, since low cost assumes DSL or cable, over which I've never seen BGP deployed. This class of device assumes an appliance at each end. Performance data is collected, compression and load balancing techniques

Re: Dynamic IP log retention = 0?

2009-03-11 Thread Jeremy L. Gaddis
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Alec Berry alec.be...@restontech.com wrote: block in log quick from evil to any label evil RFC 3514? :-) -- Jeremy L. Gaddis http://evilrouters.net/

SUP720 vs. SUP32

2009-03-11 Thread Bill Blackford
Anyone have any experience with SUP32? Please contact me off list. I'm trying to evaluate a lower-cost alternative to the 720-3bxl. I'm only pushing a few hundred megs of traffic, exchanging a few routes with less than 20 peers and don't see the need for a 720's worth of throughput in the near

Re: SUP720 vs. SUP32

2009-03-11 Thread Adrian Chadd
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009, Bill Blackford wrote: Can the 32 handle a full table? Start here: http://www.mail-archive.com/cisco-...@puck.nether.net/msg12492.html adrian

Re: SUP720 vs. SUP32

2009-03-11 Thread Brian Feeny
Honestly, my advise is don't handle full tables in switches unless you want to use 3bxl. Use routers, any old ISR can do 1GB memory or so and handle the table just fine, and run you a fraction of the cost. Keep internal routes, defaults, etc in the switching core. Brian On Mar 11,

Re: SUP720 vs. SUP32

2009-03-11 Thread Jon Lewis
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, Bill Blackford wrote: I'm trying to evaluate a lower-cost alternative to the 720-3bxl. I'm only pushing a few hundred megs of traffic, exchanging a few routes with less than 20 peers and don't see the need for a 720's worth of throughput in the near future. Can the 32

Re: SUP720 vs. SUP32

2009-03-11 Thread Brian Feeny
Actually let me amend that and say 3800's as far as inexpensive routers. They are basically NPE400 class devices, with alot of memory and sufficient to handle the full table. Other router devices like 7200's etc will work fine as well. On Mar 11, 2009, at 2:29 PM, Brian Feeny wrote:

RE: SUP720 vs. SUP32

2009-03-11 Thread Bill Blackford
Thank you to everyone who offered advice. I thinks it's clearer what my path should be. Incidentally, I am using 7300/7200 based units with G1 RP and found that at 200M they start seeing 50% CPU load which is why I'm looking to go to the next step. Again, thanks to all -b -Original

Re: SUP720 vs. SUP32

2009-03-11 Thread Adrian Chadd
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009, Bill Blackford wrote: Thank you to everyone who offered advice. I thinks it's clearer what my path should be. Incidentally, I am using 7300/7200 based units with G1 RP and found that at 200M they start seeing 50% CPU load which is why I'm looking to go to the next

Re: Dynamic IP log retention = 0?

2009-03-11 Thread Glen Turner
William Allen Simpson wrote: Port scanning is rather common, and shouldn't be considered attacking -- unless it's taking a significant amount of bandwidth. Attempting to gain unauthorised access to a computing system is a crime in most countries. Port scanning is a tool used to gain

RE: Network SLA

2009-03-11 Thread Andreas, Rich
I have found that Cisco IPSLA is heavily used in the MSO/Service Provider Space. Juniper has equivalent functionality via RPM. Rich -Original Message- From: Saqib Ilyas [mailto:msa...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 6:12 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Network SLA I

Re: SUP720 vs. SUP32

2009-03-11 Thread Larry Stites
Bill, As far as pricing for refurbished Cisco Supervisor Engines the 3BXL is selling for around $7500 whereas the WS-SUP32-10GE-3B $5500, WS-SUP32-GE-3B $2500... Best regards, Larry E. Stites Northern California Networks, Inc. LIC# 2004 SR KH 100-484111 Nevada City, CA 95959 on 3/11/09

RE: SUP720 vs. SUP32

2009-03-11 Thread Holmes,David A
Make sure that the new 10 GiGE line cards are not in your plans if you choose the SUP32. This holds for some of the other copper and fiber line cards where line card buffer capacity may be critical to effective throughput. Some new line cards only connect to the 720 Gig backplane. -Original

Re: Dynamic IP log retention = 0?

2009-03-11 Thread Joe Greco
A quick scan of the reverse mapping for your address space in DNS reveals that you have basically your entire network on public addresses. No wonder you're worried about portscans when the printer down the hall and the receptionists machine are sitting on public addresses. I think you are

Re: Dynamic IP log retention = 0?

2009-03-11 Thread Mike Lewinski
Joe Greco wrote: A quick scan of the reverse mapping for your address space in DNS reveals that you have basically your entire network on public addresses. No wonder you're worried about portscans when the printer down the hall and the receptionists machine are sitting on public addresses. I

Re: Dynamic IP log retention = 0?

2009-03-11 Thread Peter Beckman
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, Joe Greco wrote: In our neighbourhood, we don't have a high crime rate. Despite that, if we saw someone walking from house to house, trying doorknobs, we'd call the cops. The fact that everyone has locks on their doors does not make it all right for someone to go around

Re: Dynamic IP log retention = 0?

2009-03-11 Thread Joe Greco
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, Joe Greco wrote: In our neighbourhood, we don't have a high crime rate. Despite that, if we saw someone walking from house to house, trying doorknobs, we'd call the cops. The fact that everyone has locks on their doors does not make it all right for someone to go

Re: Dynamic IP log retention = 0?

2009-03-11 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Peter Beckman beck...@angryox.com wrote: On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, Joe Greco wrote: In our neighbourhood, we don't have a high crime rate.  Despite that, if we saw someone walking from house to house, trying doorknobs, we'd call the cops.  The fact that everyone

Re: SUP720 vs. SUP32

2009-03-11 Thread Mark Tinka
On Thursday 12 March 2009 03:06:05 am Bill Blackford wrote: Incidentally, I am using 7300/7200 based units with G1 RP and found that at 200M they start seeing 50% CPU load which is why I'm looking to go to the next step. Be sure to optimize your configuration before you upgrade. Depending on