Re: [netmod] Poll on YANG Versioning NBC Approach

2023-09-12 Thread Kent Watsen
[All, don’t forget to vote, discussion here doesn’t count! https://notes.ietf.org/netmod-2023-sept-poll] > On Sep 12, 2023, at 12:06 PM, Andy Bierman wrote: > > So there is choice between: > > (A) YANG 1.1 and SHOULD NOT > (B) YANG 1.2 and SHOULD NOT Thanks Andy, this is a succinct way

Re: [netmod] Poll on YANG Versioning NBC Approach

2023-09-12 Thread Andy Bierman
On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 8:54 AM Reshad Rahman wrote: > > > On Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 11:23:55 AM EDT, Andy Bierman < > a...@yumaworks.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:39 PM Kent Watsen wrote: > > WG, > > Please help the YANG-versioning effort move forward by participating

Re: [netmod] Poll on YANG Versioning NBC Approach

2023-09-12 Thread Reshad Rahman
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 11:23:55 AM EDT, Andy Bierman wrote: On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:39 PM Kent Watsen wrote: WG, Please help the YANG-versioning effort move forward by participating in the following poll:   - https://notes.ietf.org/netmod-2023-sept-poll  (Datatracker

Re: [netmod] Poll on YANG Versioning NBC Approach

2023-09-12 Thread Andy Bierman
On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:39 PM Kent Watsen wrote: > WG, > > Please help the YANG-versioning effort move forward by participating in > the following poll: > > - https://notes.ietf.org/netmod-2023-sept-poll (Datatracker login > required) > > The draft proposed to change many specific MUST and

Re: [netmod] Poll on YANG Versioning NBC Approach

2023-09-12 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
Dne 12. 09. 23 v 14:43 Jan Lindblad (jlindbla) napsal(a): Jürgen, all, I see the irony in changing the YANG RFC(s) without updating the YANG language version number, but digging a bit deeper, I think the question is not as clear-cut as it might seem at first. Altering the contents of the

Re: [netmod] Poll on YANG Versioning NBC Approach

2023-09-12 Thread Rob Wilton (rwilton)
Hi Jürgen, Please see inline ... > -Original Message- > From: netmod On Behalf Of Jürgen > Schönwälder > Sent: 12 September 2023 14:11 > To: Jan Lindblad (jlindbla) > Cc: netmod@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [netmod] Poll on YANG Versioning NBC Approach > > The two options mix things

Re: [netmod] Poll on YANG Versioning NBC Approach

2023-09-12 Thread Jürgen Schönwälder
The two options mix things together. Option 1 says updating YANG 1 and YANG 1.1 to allow YANG modules to be modified _based on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-module-versioning_ but this document has much more in it than just changing a MUST to SHOULD. There are features in

Re: [netmod] Poll on YANG Versioning NBC Approach

2023-09-12 Thread Rob Wilton (rwilton)
Further to Jan's comments, given that all organizations (vendors, SDOs, and industry consortia) producing YANG modules all occasionally update then in NBC ways to fix bugs and issues, then I presume that all pragmatic YANG tooling is obliged to handle cases where modules change in NBC ways.

Re: [netmod] Poll on YANG Versioning NBC Approach

2023-09-12 Thread Jan Lindblad (jlindbla)
Jürgen, all, I see the irony in changing the YANG RFC(s) without updating the YANG language version number, but digging a bit deeper, I think the question is not as clear-cut as it might seem at first. Altering the contents of the backwards-compatibility section of RFC 6020 (sec 10) and RFC

Re: [netmod] Poll on YANG Versioning NBC Approach

2023-09-12 Thread Jürgen Schönwälder
Versioning people told me that the version numbers follows from the kind of changes made. If true, then discussing the version number first is backwards. /js On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 11:59:45AM +, Jason Sterne (Nokia) wrote: > Hi Jurgen, > > We need this poll to set fundamental direction in

Re: [netmod] Poll on YANG Versioning NBC Approach

2023-09-12 Thread Jason Sterne (Nokia)
Hi Jurgen, We need this poll to set fundamental direction in the WG. Yes, there will still be discussion & debate around *either* option once we select one. But we need to agree on whether we're moving ahead by updating YANG 1.0/YANG 1.1 (without requiring any sort of new YANG version number)

Re: [netmod] Poll on YANG Versioning NBC Approach

2023-09-12 Thread Jason Sterne (Nokia)
Hi all, I'd encourage anyone to remind themselves of some of the details around this issue before answering the poll. Summary of options by the YANG Versioning weekly call group: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/MSjLKSy7PwjaDkJdnwKREY9KCbc/ IETF 117 NETMOD meeting recording (YANG

Re: [netmod] WG adoption call: draft-boucadair-netmod-rfc8407bis-02

2023-09-12 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi Lou, Yes, it is totally appropriate that we revisit this guidance. A lot has been learned in the five years since 8407 and the long list of updates already in this draft show that there is work to be done. Adopt and work. Cheers, Adrian -Original Message- From: netmod On Behalf Of