Re: Ten Theses on the Panama Papers

2016-04-07 Thread t byfield
On 7 Apr 2016, at 4:15, Florian Cramer wrote: Berger is by far not the only one with this opinion. After I posted his article here, WikiLeaks retweeted the link to Nettime's archive and Berger's piece. Before, Wikileaks tweeted the following (so we can consider it WikiLeaks' official position

Re: Ten Theses on the Panama Papers

2016-04-07 Thread John Young
To assure official and congenial approval and financial support for disclosure it is essential to choral "not like WikiLeaks" then scream big numbers and Titanic significance, yes dear passengers, the ship is unsinkable. Why even the Snowden Unsinkable Molly Brown distances itself from the

Re: Ten Theses on the Panama Papers

2016-04-07 Thread Florian Cramer
> On 5 Apr 2016, at 14:42, Florian Cramer forwarded: > >> Panama Papers - not the Scoop but the Flop of the Century > > Florian, I'm pretty confident that Jens Berger's eruption won't age > hold up very well, and I really wonder why you bothered to forward such > a load of bollocks. And to follow

Re: Ten Theses on the Panama Papers

2016-04-06 Thread Brian Holmes
On 04/06/2016 07:17 AM, Florian Cramer wrote: The Cold War has taught us to be suspicious about NGO activity and possible governmental agendas behind them. But Florian, don't you think we're at antipodes from the Cold War? And how much suspicion is really needed to understand those

Re: Ten Theses on the Panama Papers

2016-04-06 Thread t byfield
On 5 Apr 2016, at 9:17, Patrice Riemens wrote: 7. Leaks have become unquestionable. With earlier disclosures, the authenticity of documents leaked could always be credibly disputed. Nowadays the authenticity of materials obtained thru electronic leaks, due to its sheer magnitude and the one to

Re: Ten Theses on the Panama Papers

2016-04-06 Thread Niels ten Oever
On 04/06/2016 02:17 PM, Florian Cramer wrote: >On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Felix Stalder wrote: > >> > Some crucial questions remain unanswered: Why is there no notable US >> > American citizen among the "accused"? >> >> But not for this reason.

Re: Ten Theses on the Panama Papers

2016-04-06 Thread Florian Cramer
On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Felix Stalder wrote: > > Some crucial questions remain unanswered: Why is there no notable US > > American citizen among the "accused"? > > But not for this reason. Much more important, as Brian pointed out, > is at the US

Re: Ten Theses on the Panama Papers

2016-04-06 Thread Patrice Riemens
On 2016-04-05 23:01, Geert Lovink wrote: > Thanks, Florian. Very interesting. What’s confusing is that the > mainstream media (radio, TV, newspaper) that report about the Panama This is interesting, even crucial, because now other tax authorities may obtain the data from the Australian Taxation

Re: Ten Theses on the Panama Papers

2016-04-06 Thread Imaginary Museum projects Tjebbe van Tijen via UPC
§I like these points (yours I guess? As you could have got them form someone-else by a simple cut & paste) On 5 Apr 2016, at 15:17, Patrice Riemens wrote: 7. Leaks have become unquestionable. With earlier disclosures, the authenticity of documents leaked could always be credibly disputed.

Re: Ten Theses on the Panama Papers

2016-04-06 Thread Felix Stalder
On 2016-04-05 20:42, Florian Cramer wrote: > So what the Panama Papers really are is a warning to whisteblowers > not to "exclusively" give sensitive data to media companies, but to > use whisteblower platforms like Wikileaks instead. Agreed. > Some crucial questions remain unanswered: Why is

Re: Ten Theses on the Panama Papers

2016-04-05 Thread Florian Cramer
Postscript to the above: The ICIJ is a project of the 'Center of Public Integrity' (https://www.publicintegrity.org/icij/about) whose major funder is George Soros, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Public_Integrity#Criticism -F On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 8:42 PM,

Re: Ten Theses on the Panama Papers

2016-04-05 Thread Geert Lovink
Thanks, Florian. Very interesting. What’s confusing is that the mainstream media (radio, TV, newspaper) that report about the Panama Papers themselves replicate the myth that the papers are somehow publicly accessible, searchable etc. There is one exception that I know of, from what has been

Re: Ten Theses on the Panama Papers

2016-04-05 Thread Brian Holmes
Nicholas Shaxson has written the so-far definitive book on tax havens, entitled Treasure Islands (2012) - a fantastic book, I am amazed no one seems to be talking about it right now. His central thesis is that with the waning of Empire, British elites sought a way to retain their

Re: Ten Theses on the Panama Papers

2016-04-05 Thread Florian Cramer
Jens Berger from the German political blog Nachdenkseiten has an opinion on the "Panama Papers" that indeed gives food for thought ("Nachdenkseiten" means "Food for Thought Pages). Here's a quick translation: Panama Papers â not the Scoop but the Flop of the Century This

Ten Theses on the Panama Papers

2016-04-05 Thread Patrice Riemens
The theses factory is churning on ... 10 Theses on the Panama Papers 1. Never before have so many people owed so much wealth. Even though an even smaller minority of people owe an increasing proportion of the world's wealth, their absolute number have been rising, especially during the last