Hi to all :)
I got the Mandrake 7.0-2 distribution installed in an AMD 500 mhz with
13.0 gb HD, my problem is that lilo can't be installed in the HD because
the linux partition starts in one cylinder bigger than 1024, I
downloaded the last version of lilo but I can't install it I got
Thankyou all very much!
Regards
Gordon
as root at the command prompt, type:
Xconfigurator
go throught he settings and test X, after you're done it will ask you if you
want X to start automatically.
or you can edit your '/etc/inittab' file and change the default run level from
3 to 5
Eunice
On Wed, 06 Sep 2000, you wrote:
I just
Hello Christopher,
Thursday, September 07, 2000, 11:30:09 AM, you wrote:
KC I am very new to this...
KC How do you run wine???
KC Thanks,
KC Chris Kelly
KC Registered Linux user 185775
KC -Original Message-
KC From: syhim77 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
KC Sent: Thursday, September 07,
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, WarmFuzzy wrote:
Hello,
Which program are y'all using to turn the .iso file into a Linux
distribution? I mean besides cdrecord and mkisofs. I have XCDroast,
Kisocd and gtoaster. None of them seem to know about an image that ends
in .iso. My only experience so far is
On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Jason Ashman wrote:
Out of curoiusity, what are all of your's preferred Window Manager?
I currently use WindowMaker. I think it's the best compromise between a
light and a user-friendly wm.
HTH
Flupke
--
There's no place like ~
Used to use KDE but trying out Enlightenment if I can get the themes working
I'll probably stick with it
Warmest regards,
Manuel Tuthill
Original Message-
From: flupke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Jason Ashman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Friday, September
Thanks for the info!
But now I'm up against another problem! themes
I've gone to www.enlightenment.org who point me to e.themes.org where I find
the themes for enlightenment.
So good so far
I download the themes without a problem and store them in
/usr/share/enlightenment/themes/*/*.ethemes
Yeah, I got grub with my distribution but I don't know how to install, u
got an instalation/use manual or know if in my distribution exist it?
john bodanske wrote:
Try downloading "Grub" instead
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From: "iagoba" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Linux - Newbie" [EMAIL
flupke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Jason Ashman wrote:
Out of curoiusity, what are all of your's preferred Window Manager?
I currently use WindowMaker. I think it's the best compromise between a
light and a user-friendly wm.
HTH
Flupke
Keep
:~Can somebody explain the difference in .i386 and .i586 designation in rpms
:~Sometimes you have a choice and I'm not sure but I think that this is
:~referring to processor class. I have a AMD K-6 II 400 and I think the .i586
:~is ok for that processor? Somebody educate me here. Thanks, Dennis
Please could somebody help me with RPL!
We have many unix box's at work Sco, AIX and Linux but for some reason we
cant use RPL on the linux boxes all the other box dont use hosts.allow and
the man page is not great what do we have to put in the hosts.allow to
enable them to work!!
Warmest
I can not get this modem working wit Linux not
sure
why though, It works just find when running
windows.
It is a sportster 33.6 ENT FAX modem and I find I
like
the little thing ;).
The problem I am having is that when I go to call
out,
it finds the modem says it is ready then starts to
On Fri, 08 Sep 2000, you wrote:
--
Out of curoiusity, what are all of your's preferred Window Manager? I tend to
switch between KDE and Gnome. I have tried Fvwm, but I am not too competent on
this OS to have full confidence in my command line ability.
I tend to use blackbox, while running
On Thu, 07 Sep 2000, you wrote:
I have just installed Mandrake 7.0 with no apparent problems other than a
boot manager issue I'm pursuing in a separate message.
After booting and signing on, I try to run netscape from a kde desktop
icon. Nothing seems to happen either as root or user.
I just downloaded a web browser from Download.com. After I have been advised
to use JDK-1.1.6 to use with the browser, I went back to download that too. So
far it's just like a regular browser but cant use some of the feature like I
can on Netscape. However it hasnt froze or crashed on me
Setting up a cable modem to work in linux is usually as easy as setting up a
network card.
However, apparently depending on your local provider's implementation, there
are a couple things to keep in mind:
Most cable providers use DHCP to assign the IPs to attached hosts, but some
use Static
As root...
K Menu -- Settings -- Applications -- Login Manager
Click on User tab and play, Works like a dream
Thanks for the pointer. I guess I'm from the old school so my sys
admin stuff is done by my doing an su to root rather than logging on
as root. Thus, most of this graphical
I will be playing half-life, ages of empires, and some other stuff.
-Original Message-
From: Dacia and AzureRose [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 2:53 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [newbie] Video Card
which games. that is a big issue.
If you only
Personally, I feel that the communicator package is a bit of a waste. There are
better mail, news and html editors available than what is included.
Communicator also seems to be less stable than navigator.
Can you name one you like? I'm using communicator right now and it's
a considerable
Problème de configuration de la carte son
(mandrake 7.1):
Machine Compaq presario, processeur AMD
K6-2 350 MHZ, 96 MO de mémoire.
J'ai essayé HardDrake. La carte son est bien
détectée (Ensoniq Soundscape ESS 1869). Tout semble se passer correctement (les
valeurs proposées E/S=220,
Too few "s", wrong address...
too much email
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kandace Little)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [newbie] USRobotics modem problems
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 06:59:16 -0300
Hi, i've got a U.S. Robotics aswell, my speaker don't work either, i'm new
to this, when i was setting up my connection,
subscribenewbie
Larry Marshall wrote:
As root...
K Menu -- Settings -- Applications -- Login Manager
Click on User tab and play, Works like a dream
Thanks for the pointer. I guess I'm from the old school so my sys
admin stuff is done by my doing an su to root rather than logging on
as root.
I tried using it but I only get a small size screen and the frames rate
is only aroung 18. Not to compare to commercial win programs like XingMPEG
which runs at full screen with frames rate up to 30, maybe, Linux needs a
little bit more RAM as mine is only 64 Mb. But one thing, which I'am quite
This time I did a full install, with 4 linux partitions, got a bootdisk, and
it works. But, when i was done the install, i deleted everything except
windows from grub. What are the default choices and the commands to run
them? (My partitions are windows, linux/, linux/home, linux/boot, swap, or
I'm sure you're right, but I had two other guys look at it an none of us
could figure out how to bring it up (not that that means anything). After
several installs the configuration always came up looking like:
[root@tux /root]# ifconfig
loLink encap:Local Loopback
inet
I have a DSL connection with an ISA network card (Startech NE2000 compatible
i think, it didn't come with the computer and i didn't install it). I
couldn't setup the network card during the install, so I canceled that part.
How do i set up the network card from linux? How do i configure my
I did this with no problems. First you have to run defrag, and make sure you
have enough empty space at the end of the windows partition. Then you run
the mandrake installer, and when it gets to the partitioning, resize your
windows partition (if there's any warnings like 234443434 210008593
I have a Yamaha Waveforce WF192XG (no, i didn't choose it) PCI sound card.
How do i configure it in GNOME/KDE?
An install from the hard disk worked.
The bug was in the installation programs dealing with the CDs. Maybe the
SCSI-II circuit is a little flaky, but this is strange considering that the
installed system has no trouble reading either CD. CDs were an HP CD-writer
and a Panasonic, not exactly
Larry Marshall wrote:
Personally, I feel that the communicator package is a bit of a waste. There are
better mail, news and html editors available than what is included.
Communicator also seems to be less stable than navigator.
Can you name one you like? I'm using communicator right
Personally I would go with DSL if it is available in your area. My reason
for this is the main reason a person gets cable or DSL is because of the
fast connection and being on 24/7. The more subscribers on a cable line
the slower it will access (and download) depending on the amount of
Hi to all,
I got one computer with Mandrake 7.0-2 and other with W98 connected by
two ethernet cards, and now i want to allow that from linux i could see
and manipulate files from a windows directory and also that from W98 I
could see and manipulate files from a linux dir, how can I
I get locale errors when running Perl. Does anyone know the answer, or know
where I should look?
~~
When I run perl, I get warnings. I don't know how to fix them. Can anyone
help me fix these?
$ perl -w
perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
perl: warning: Please check that your locale
Video editing (2)
(http://forum.mandrakesoft.com/article.php3?sid=2908081500)
Some time ago, Mark Potochnik wrote about "Broadcast 2000", and asked if we could
include it in the next LM distribution. The answer is yes: Few days ago, Till has
made a package of this extraordinary program:
Patti, did you do any speed tweaking with your dsl connection on the Linux box?
Glenn...
Patti Wavinak wrote:
Personally I would go with DSL if it is available in your area. My reason
for this is the main reason a person gets cable or DSL is because of the
fast connection and being on 24/7.
When I select 'windows' in GRUB my BIOS (phoenix BIOS
MB=440bx1 PII 350 ) basically reboots starting me BACK
at GRUB where I just was. This goes on until my hand
cramps and I give up.
Any ideas?
Thanks in advance,
Doug Conrad
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Do You Yahoo!?
Thanks for the quick response! This is my first time on this list.
When I type minicom, it warns me that it couldn't find a configuration file
and then tries to find my modem ... which doesn't exist.
The reason why I need minicom is to talk to a small credit card sized
computer over a serial
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (pardon me, I misplaced your real name),
How did you configure your voicemodem? Since yours and mine are very
similar, I would expect your solution to work for me too. My modem is a 3Com
/ USRobotics, 56K, ISA (I forgot it was ISA, previously I wrongly stated it
was
Hi,
I have recently installed 7.0-2 on a Dell Inspiron 3800 laptop, next to
Win98 (yeah, I had to keep it because of work :| ). Everything works great
:) except for two things.
1. I have a Swedish keyboard, and everything works fine except for ] and }
(this is written in Win98). I simply don't
Which one of the millions of entries in my /dev directory is my serial port?
Thanks,
Phil
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Patti Wavinak escribió:
What kind of problems are you having?
I go to the following URL:
http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/MandrakeSoft.html
i then choose a program i want to download and a new window appears... i
copypaste to the Web Downloader and... it tryes up to 100 times (default)
with no
Thank you a million times over!
Phil
From: Barry Premeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Kmenuedit is not instlled
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 11:28:29 -0700
Philip Ferguson wrote:
Hello.
I just installed Linux Mandrake 7.1. I
On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Joan Tur wrote:
I'm having problems while trying to download rpms through
rpmfind.net... is it just me?? 8-?
You can go to the french mirror at fr.rpmfind.net I am sure that makes it
easier for you in Spain.
I am in Holland, I use that one also.
Paul
--
Q: Why are there
On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Philip Ferguson wrote:
Which one of the millions of entries in my /dev directory is my serial port?
Depends on your setup. If you have a serial port, then you are a very
special humanoid!
On the pc however:
look for /dev/ttyS?
where
? = com
0 1
1 2
2 3
3 4
Good
On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Philip Ferguson wrote:
As you can see on the screen:
log in as root (or do this through the 'su' command):
run minicom -s
Set up the default config and save it.
Paul
Thanks for the quick response! This is my first time on this list.
When I type minicom, it warns me
On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Jeff Malka wrote:
How do I run a DOS program under linux? I am using Mandrake 7.1 and KDE. I
can open a terminal and start "dos" by typing dos. But how do I go from
there to start an exe in another partition? Or can I?
I don't think that dosemu will do that. Perhaps with
Are there drivers available for the Turtle Beach Montego II Quadzilla
soundcard, and if so, some information on their location and
installation, please.
Carl Kehley
I wondering if someone knows how to install my scroll button on my mouse. I
uses an USB mouse...
ttyS0 and up =)
-Lonny Selinger
drag it into an open window of kpackage and click install...
frank
-
On Fri, 08 Sep 2000, Joan Tur wrote:
Patti Wavinak escribió:
What kind of problems are you having?
I go to the following URL:
http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/MandrakeSoft.html
i then choose a program
On Fri, 08 Sep 2000, you wrote:
I just downloaded a web browser from Download.com. After I have been advised
to use JDK-1.1.6 to use with the browser, I went back to download that too. So
far it's just like a regular browser but cant use some of the feature like I
can on Netscape.
I've heard this problem before, that it was a bug in the distro of some
sort, but can't remember details. Anyone else have braincells left?
Dan
- Original Message -
From: "Barry Premeaux" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 2:28 PM
Subject: Re:
mtv now has a full screen extension that you can download
- Original Message -
From: "Lovister LJ" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [newbie] VCD player?
I tried using it but I only get a small size screen and the frames rate
On Fri, 08 Sep 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (pardon me, I misplaced your real name),
How did you configure your voicemodem? Since yours and mine are very
similar, I would expect your solution to work for me too. My modem is a 3Com
/ USRobotics, 56K, ISA (I forgot
I've not installed a voodoo3. Perhaps the linux
drivers for the voodoo3 are compiled against a
different version of glide (or OGL) then the screen
savers/plugins that you want to use? Although that
shouldn't be the case because my voodoo5 will run
screen savers and the xmms plugins and it can
clip:
I then invoke e-config select the theme and restart enlightenment
I then receive a "it's all gone a bit wrong message" about the module
accessing memory it shouldn't.
Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:16:55
Hi Jason and Manuel.
I have settled on Afterstep in this 24M ram machine, it
where are you located? Which service? I'm using
@Home right now in seattle washington. I've got an
external cable modem and a NIC card in my computer.
@Home was kind enough to give me my IP address, DNS
IP, Gateway IP, basically all the info I needed to set
it up in linux. Other providers
I have been createing cds, for use on both windows and linux, containing
programing stuff. I have created it all on my hdd, but when I try to put it
on the cd it I am given the choice between iso9660 and some filesystem
called jouliet(I think). What is this filesystem, how well supported is it,
My school has a program installed so you cant get into explorer. The run
command is gone, right mouse button is disabled, all the desktop icons are
gone. Its called winlock. If you ever use it, there is one hole. It is
possible to reach explorer by useing the hyperterminal option. You cant do
I have 3 pci cards, and 1 agp. The agp is the slowest. agp is probably
capable of going faster, but I just cant get it to go above 5, while my pci
does 60. The benchmark program I used was the setup program on screamer 2,
which runs some tests on the video card. Its agp x4
Linux is not good for
Dacia and AzureRose [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 09/08/2000 03:30:14
PM
Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Title: compatibility question?
Is mandrake compatibal with Windows NT? I have an NT box at work and I want to make it a dual boot.
Humberto
I don't mean to sound like a luddite but I really like
communicator. I use it for my personal email and my
work email. I like the mail reader portion of it too.
just my .02
Dacia
--- Larry Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Personally, I feel that the communicator package
is a bit of a
This was a hot topic of conversation when I first joined the newbie list
:-) One of the best things that a new newbie giggle can do is go to the
archives and check and see if the problem you are having has been discussed
and probably solved.
With that said -- another excellent source of
Those are windows only games at this point. Pretty
much any new video card will play those games happily.
I play half-life and counter-strike every day. On my
computer with a voodoo5 I run them at 1280x1024 using
the miniGL driver and 4 sample anti-aliasing. They
are perfectly smooth. High
Thank you. That explains the hours I have wasted trying to figure it out.
What use is it for then?
--
Jeff Malka [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Registered Linux User 348854
On Fri, 08 Sep 2000, you wrote:
On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Jeff Malka wrote:
How do I run a DOS program under linux? I am using
What the heck is a "nbsp" ?
On Wed, 06 Sep 2000, you wrote:
!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"
html
Dearnbsp; forum; I'm interested in speaking with any experienced programmers
who are familiar with "Porting" a Windows-Based program to a Linux-based
one, whether
speakeasy says that they support linux. From talking
to their tech guys that means they give you all the
info you need to set up a standard ethernet
connection. They also use linux for their servers.
Some of their more expensive programs include a shell
account.
I've had DSL and cable and I
My experience was also that DSL is faster in linux
then in windows. We had a LAN with three computers on
it two were windows and mine was mandrake7.02. My
computer was about 20-25% faster then the other
machines. We had a 256K ADSL line. I was getting
about 60K while they were getting 35-40K.
nbsp; is used in HTML heh.. it is a space ;)
Stephen
- Original Message -
From: "Vic" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Code Warriors Wanted !
What the heck is a "nbsp" ?
On Wed, 06 Sep 2000, you wrote:
. With M17 the CPU usage was between 24 and 40 percent with browser
and mail client running. It was at a steady 0.03% for build
2908. Quite impressive!
When Mozilla is finished it's going to be one HELL of a nice
Browser/Email/Editor suite. Functionally it's almost to the same place
that Netscape
There are a few games that run very well on linux. Quake3 for example. But,
overall I agree with you, linux is not a gaming paradise yet.
Abe
= Original Message From "Goldenpi" [EMAIL PROTECTED] =
I have 3 pci cards, and 1 agp. The agp is the slowest. agp is probably
capable of
On Thu, 07 Sep 2000, you wrote:
Trying to connect to the Internet I get the following error message:
X The pppd deamon died unexpectedly
PPP Log
Besides the date and time and local host pppd 867, I get the following information
pppd 2.3.11 Started by me, uid 503
using interface
On Thu, 07 Sep 2000, you wrote:
This news group will now be renamed newbiepunctuationspelling
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Honestly, it seems it used to be more civil.
Gene
--
OK, rip-boy...maybe if you learned punctuation and spelling in elementary
school, I wouldn't have needed to read
On Fri, 08 Sep 2000, you wrote:
well someone suggested i play with the video settings to fix a problem with
the windowson my linux
the origional problem was everything was too large and changing the
resolution had no effect
so i was told to chang the color settings i plopped that sucker
Or you can hold down the shift key while you point and click on the rpm
you want. A download screen will pop up showing where the file will be
saved. You can change the save location if you want. This is handy if
you want to d/l and install later. Dennis
Paul wrote:
On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Joan
On Fri, 08 Sep 2000, you wrote:
Personally I would go with DSL if it is available in your area. My reason
for this is the main reason a person gets cable or DSL is because of the
fast connection and being on 24/7. The more subscribers on a cable line
the slower it will access (and
Mandrake and NT will get along fine on the same drive as long as you
have NT installed first and anything else after that. You will probably
have to use NT's boot loader too, but make sure you install LILO or Grub
to a floppy just in case.
Mark
On Fri, 08 Sep 2000, you wrote:
I don't mean to sound like a luddite but I really like
communicator. I use it for my personal email and my
work email. I like the mail reader portion of it too.
just my .02
i use netscape for browsing, kfm for reading newsgroup and i have
just changed to
DRACONZNY/the sarcasimist:
I guess it is a question of what you are trying to do. If all that you
are trying to impress us with how kewl you are, keep it up. If, on the
other hand, you are trying to communicate your thoughts and knowledge to
the other members of the list (which is its purpose),
Paul wrote:
On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Philip Ferguson wrote:
As you can see on the screen:
log in as root (or do this through the 'su' command):
run minicom -s
Set up the default config and save it.
Paul
Thanks for the quick response! This is my first time on this list.
When I type
Darcia,
If you like Messenger you're going to love Mozilla mail. I'm using
Mozilla right now. It's a little sluggish yet, but the whole suite has
really come a long way since the project started and it's almost all there.
Mark
Dacia and AzureRose wrote:
I don't mean to sound like a luddite
Long time since I worked exclusively at the command prompt - grin!!!
I suppose I'll get used to using all those graphical "aids" but I'm
comfortable at a Unix commandline, I was taught that one only logged
in as root under the most dire of circumstances, am too lazy to dump
out of X and
cool. Thanks for the ideas. I was stumped.
Dacia
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dacia and AzureRose [EMAIL PROTECTED]
on 09/08/2000 03:30:14
PM
Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
darn mail server returned it, here it is again
if i was communicating a thought on that particular message i would have
tried to use a somewhat half assed english language, but i was merely
spitting out my problem and information, no thought just bulleted listing,
no
different then a
Romanator wrote:
Select K button--Disk Navigator--Menu Editor
Looks like they've got it in at least two places on the Kmenu. Thanks
for the tip. I do hope that the menus don't get reorganized this much
with every .x change of the operating system.
Cheers --- Larry
Cable modems that are set up right on yourend AND the ISP should NOT slow
down even if full to the brink with users, that is why there is a Peak
Transfer rate/and MIN transfer rate. Just like anything in the computer
world..expect less, but pleased when you get the best. :)
Ha..."setup
On Fri, 08 Sep 2000, you wrote:
I have 3 pci cards, and 1 agp. The agp is the slowest. agp is probably
capable of going faster, but I just cant get it to go above 5, while my pci
does 60. The benchmark program I used was the setup program on screamer 2,
which runs some tests on the video
Hm...I get the distinct impression this post is dripping
with sarcasm. :)
Mark
patrick wrote:
On Thu, 07 Sep 2000, you wrote:
This news group will now be renamed newbiepunctuationspelling
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Honestly, it seems it used to be more civil.
Gene
On Wed, 06 Sep 2000, you wrote:
Sweet!!! Thanks Lonny. Any other suggestions???
Save your X Configuration file and MAKE BACKUPS. Even though you think,
"There's no possible way that this can screw up"... believe me, something
will happen. Nothing's more comforting knowing that you can
Larry Marshall wrote:
Mark Weaver wrote:
I haven't looked for a while. Does Eudora port a version of their mail
program to Linux?
Sure wish they did as I would have bought it. But, the Qualcomm
people haven't responded to Linux yet :-(
Cheers --- Larry
Larry - I like(d) Eudora
Goldenpi wrote:
I have been createing cds, for use on both windows and linux, containing
programing stuff. I have created it all on my hdd, but when I try to put it
on the cd it I am given the choice between iso9660 and some filesystem
called jouliet(I think). What is this filesystem, how
Larry Marshall wrote:
Long time since I worked exclusively at the command prompt - grin!!!
I suppose I'll get used to using all those graphical "aids" but I'm
comfortable at a Unix commandline, I was taught that one only logged
in as root under the most dire of circumstances, am too lazy
We should moderate this out.
- Original Message -
From: "Carroll Grigsby" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] ISP
DRACONZNY/the sarcasimist:
I guess it is a question of what you are trying to do. If all that you
are
yup yup
anyways back onto the subject of my computer not functioning after xf86config
In a message dated 08-Sep-00 21:16:13 Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Hm...I get the distinct impression this post is dripping
with sarcasm. :)
Mark
"Brisco County Jr." wrote:
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-2719802.html
Which I why I run Portsentry and other security watchers.
I guess we'll get a fix notice in due course.
Cheers
look i apologize now can we drop this bs
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