Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-10 Thread Joseph
On Friday 05 December 2003 04:05 am, John Richard Smith wrote: Today I had a complete computer failure, nothing, not even a bios boot screen. I downloaded a whole batch of emails, dealt with them, and went away leaving d4x downloading a file. When I came back, nothing but a blank screen, I

Re: [newbie] Complete failure (Now completely OT)

2003-12-09 Thread magnet
On Monday 08 Dec 2003 7:18 pm, Alan Dunford wrote: On Monday 08 Dec 2003 6:43 pm, Richard Urwin wrote: On Monday 08 Dec 2003 8:19 am, John Richard Smith wrote: UK domestic is 240v can vary between 230/250 v(meaning it's allowed) but I have never experienced in my lifetime much variation

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-08 Thread Anne Wilson
On Monday 08 Dec 2003 10:26 am, Derek Jennings wrote: Actually I thought the UK and most all of Europe was 250v. The US probly would be too, but you need to remember we invented the light bulb :) And that was so long ago, and with competing AC and DC distributions in the beginning,

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-08 Thread John Richard Smith
Derek Jennings wrote And no. We do not use 250V in Europe. The UK is nominally 240V 50Hz, while continental Europe is mostly nominally 220V 50Hz The reasonably short lengths of transmission lines, few electrical storms, and very tight regulation of the generating industry here means that the

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-08 Thread Anne Wilson
On Monday 08 Dec 2003 10:30 am, John Richard Smith wrote: However I would agree that we in UK don't get much variable voltage, provided your domestic property isn't either in some remote country setting or perhaps sited next to some lonesome little industrial estate, your gonna get reliable

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-08 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Sun, 2003-12-07 at 11:35, John Richard Smith wrote: Lanman wrote: John; It's continous. But the components in the power supply onlyaccept what they can manageor what they're rated for. The battery keeps this feed stable, and as a basic nature of electricity, only supplies what is

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-08 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Monday 08 December 2003 10:26 am, Derek Jennings wrote: Ohh you got me going there. As with so many other of Edison's 'inventions' the light bulb was not invented by Edison at all. The city of Newcastle in England had public electric lighting before Edison 'invented' the lightbulb. What

Re: [newbie] Complete failure (Now completely OT)

2003-12-08 Thread Richard Urwin
On Monday 08 Dec 2003 8:19 am, John Richard Smith wrote: UK domestic is 240v can vary between 230/250 v(meaning it's allowed) but I have never experienced in my lifetime much variation from 240v 50cycles/min. Yep, 240V, I just measured it (239V at this moment.) I strangely remembered that it

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-08 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Monday 08 December 2003 05:26 am, Derek Jennings wrote: DJ Ohh you got me going there. DJ As with so many other of Edison's 'inventions' the light bulb was not invented DJ by Edison at all. DJ The city of Newcastle in England had public electric lighting before Edison DJ 'invented' the

Re: [newbie] Complete failure (Now completely OT)

2003-12-08 Thread Alan Dunford
On Monday 08 Dec 2003 6:43 pm, Richard Urwin wrote: On Monday 08 Dec 2003 8:19 am, John Richard Smith wrote: UK domestic is 240v can vary between 230/250 v(meaning it's allowed) but I have never experienced in my lifetime much variation from 240v 50cycles/min. Cycles per second ? --

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-08 Thread Eric Huff
On Mon, 8 Dec 2003 12:29:10 + Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 08 Dec 2003 10:30 am, John Richard Smith wrote: However I would agree that we in UK don't get much variable voltage, provided your domestic property isn't either in some remote country setting or perhaps

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-07 Thread Anne Wilson
On Saturday 06 Dec 2003 7:24 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: Carroll Grigsby wrote: John: Neither one. The first one is just a PSU; the second one is probably way too big for your needs. (But then, I don't know what your needs are, do I?) That puppy should be able to back up five or six

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-07 Thread John Richard Smith
Carroll Grigsby wrote John: Oops. Ring main? British English != American English. British Wiring Practices != American Wiring Practices. Oh well, press on... Oh , It's no big deal, Power enters your property to a junction/fuse box where it is split into a number of fuse protected ciruits

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-07 Thread John Richard Smith
Tom Brinkman wrote: On Friday 05 December 2003 08:46 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: Seems to be the power supply , so I'm after a new one, hopefully more reliable one, but maybe I'm going to have to think more seriously about surge protectors if they are any good.Either that or buy a spare.

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-07 Thread Richard Urwin
On Sunday 07 Dec 2003 9:19 am, John Richard Smith wrote: Tom Brinkman wrote: You can check line power easily with a VOhm meter, true, but, a) how to get your meter which has DC up to 20 V as your closest option to read acurately, b) sorting out the pins on the output plug from PSU. a) I use

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-07 Thread Anne Wilson
On Sunday 07 Dec 2003 9:19 am, John Richard Smith wrote: No problem there it seems , so far all of those available in UK seem to be identicle. John - just a thought. Overclockers tend to need to be ultracareful. Have you tried looking at overclockers.com to see if they sell/recommend

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-07 Thread Richard Urwin
On Sunday 07 Dec 2003 12:16 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: Richard Urwin wrote: b) The truth is out there. Put atx pinout into your favorite search engine. There seem to be plenty of hits, top of the list was http://xtronics.com/reference/atx_pinout.htm. Don't stare at the background for

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-07 Thread John Richard Smith
Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 07 Dec 2003 9:19 am, John Richard Smith wrote: No problem there it seems , so far all of those available in UK seem to be identicle. John - just a thought. Overclockers tend to need to be ultracareful. Have you tried looking at overclockers.com to see if

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-07 Thread C. Tresenriter
On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 12:42:50 + JRS wrote: ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~snip*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ | Clearly , it's about whether I want to, | a) UPS my attic power supply, running 3 computers, and surge protect | only the one. | b) surge protect all 4 computers, no ups. | c) just accept the risks. | | But

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-07 Thread Lanman
On 12/7/2003 at 3:22 PM John Richard Smith wrote: Lanman wrote: John; The basic purpose of a UPS is to filter or condition the electrical power which your computer receives. Typically, your computer runs off of the battery inside the UPS, and a charger keeps the battery charged from the wall

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-07 Thread Anne Wilson
On Sunday 07 Dec 2003 12:42 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: We had a lot of problems where clocks etc seemed fine, where I believe that the problem was very short-lived power drops. Even cheap surge protectors seem to help in that case. Is that so, could be then that is

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-07 Thread John Richard Smith
Lanman wrote: John; It's continous. But the components in the power supply onlyaccept what they can manageor what they're rated for. The battery keeps this feed stable, and as a basic nature of electricity, only supplies what is needed at the time. Since it's a batteryafter all, it simply

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-07 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Sunday 07 December 2003 09:19 am, John Richard Smith wrote: You can check line power easily with a VOhm meter, true, but, a) how to get your meter which has DC up to 20 V as your closest option to read acurately, b) sorting out the pins on the output plug from PSU. just stick the leads

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-07 Thread John Richard Smith
Tom Brinkman wrote: So you might'a guessed where I'm going with this. GET AN UPS, specially for servers or any system running 24/7. 500VA is very suitable for even the most high powered workstations. It's also usually a good price point. My APC BackUPS/500 was $120 at Wal*Mart about 6

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-07 Thread Richard Urwin
On Sunday 07 Dec 2003 2:44 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: I don't know the situation in the UK, but here in the US power is 110v per leg. Two legs on the same circuit (what you refer to as a ring?) yields 220v for things like electric clothes dryers, range, ovens, and furnaces. Usually those are

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-07 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Monday 08 December 2003 12:27 am, Richard Urwin wrote: On Sunday 07 Dec 2003 2:44 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: I don't know the situation in the UK, but here in the US power is 110v per leg. Two legs on the same circuit (what you refer to as a ring?) yields 220v for things like electric

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-06 Thread Anne Wilson
On Friday 05 Dec 2003 8:46 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: Seems to be the power supply , so I'm after a new one, hopefully more reliable one, but maybe I'm going to have to think more seriously about surge protectors if they are any good.Either that or buy a spare. John, Argos do a really

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-06 Thread Anne Wilson
On Saturday 06 Dec 2003 1:57 am, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Friday 05 December 2003 03:37 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: whack Turns out that my powersupply has failed. I substituted a know to work powersupply and she booted. Put the old one back and she fails. My guess is that the 3.3v

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-06 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Friday 05 December 2003 08:46 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: Seems to be the power supply , so I'm after a new one, hopefully more reliable one, but maybe I'm going to have to think more seriously about surge protectors if they are any good.Either that or buy a spare. John Get an

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-06 Thread Anne Wilson
On Saturday 06 Dec 2003 12:07 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 06 Dec 2003 1:57 am, Carroll Grigsby wrote: John: It might be a good time to consider a good UPS, too. Agreed - I use one on my box. However, the only ones that do a tidy shutdown, as far as I can

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-06 Thread John Richard Smith
Anne Wilson wrote: http://www.cclcomputers.biz/acatalog/ They range from *300W ATX TUV Power Supply* Ref: PSU0001 **Online Price £14.38*£16.90 Including VAT at 17.5%* To, *Liebert 2.2Kva Powersure Interactive Mini Tower* Ref: UPS0006 World Class Power Protection And Communications For

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-06 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Saturday 06 December 2003 10:48 am, John Richard Smith wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: http://www.cclcomputers.biz/acatalog/ They range from *300W ATX TUV Power Supply* Ref: PSU0001 **Online Price £14.38*£16.90 Including VAT at 17.5%* To, *Liebert 2.2Kva Powersure Interactive Mini Tower*

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-06 Thread Anne Wilson
On Saturday 06 Dec 2003 3:48 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: http://www.cclcomputers.biz/acatalog/ They range from *300W ATX TUV Power Supply* Ref: PSU0001 **Online Price £14.38*£16.90 Including VAT at 17.5%* To, *Liebert 2.2Kva Powersure Interactive Mini Tower* Ref:

[newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-05 Thread John Richard Smith
Today I had a complete computer failure, nothing, not even a bios boot screen. I downloaded a whole batch of emails, dealt with them, and went away leaving d4x downloading a file. When I came back, nothing but a blank screen, I touched a key, and a mandrake boot script appears, hung at fsck,

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-05 Thread Robin Turner
John Richard Smith wrote: Today I had a complete computer failure, nothing, not even a bios boot screen. I downloaded a whole batch of emails, dealt with them, and went away leaving d4x downloading a file. When I came back, nothing but a blank screen, I touched a key, and a mandrake boot

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-05 Thread John Richard Smith
Robin Turner wrote: John Richard Smith wrote: Today I had a complete computer failure, nothing, not even a bios boot screen. I downloaded a whole batch of emails, dealt with them, and went away leaving d4x downloading a file. When I came back, nothing but a blank screen, I touched a key, and

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-05 Thread John Richard Smith
Robin Turner wrote: John Richard Smith wrote: Today I had a complete computer failure, nothing, not even a bios boot screen. I downloaded a whole batch of emails, dealt with them, and went away leaving d4x downloading a file. When I came back, nothing but a blank screen, I touched a

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-05 Thread John Richard Smith
I cann't even get into bios, that is the problem. By flash I guess you mean reset the bios and make it redetect ? John I might add that I do have power supply , it seems like everything that needs it is getting power,though since I cannot get into bios I cannot tell what may be dead. If I had

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-05 Thread John Richard Smith
I cann't even get into bios, that is the problem. By flash I guess you mean reset the bios and make it redetect ? John I might add that I do have power supply , it seems like everything that needs it is getting power,though since I cannot get into bios I cannot tell what may be dead. If I had

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-05 Thread et
On Friday 05 December 2003 09:05 am, John Richard Smith wrote: Today I had a complete computer failure, nothing, not even a bios boot screen. I downloaded a whole batch of emails, dealt with them, and went away leaving d4x downloading a file. When I came back, nothing but a blank screen, I

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-05 Thread et
On Friday 05 December 2003 10:48 am, John Richard Smith wrote: Robin Turner wrote: John Richard Smith wrote: Today I had a complete computer failure, nothing, not even a bios boot screen. I downloaded a whole batch of emails, dealt with them, and went away leaving d4x

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-05 Thread et
On Friday 05 December 2003 11:14 am, John Richard Smith wrote: I cann't even get into bios, that is the problem. By flash I guess you mean reset the bios and make it redetect ? John I might add that I do have power supply , it seems like everything that needs it is getting power,though

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-05 Thread et
On Friday 05 December 2003 11:49 am, John Richard Smith wrote: I cann't even get into bios, that is the problem. By flash I guess you mean reset the bios and make it redetect ? John I might add that I do have power supply , it seems like everything that needs it is getting power,though

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-05 Thread Sharrea Day
On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 03:53, John Richard Smith wrote: et wrote: On Friday 05 December 2003 11:49 am, John Richard Smith wrote: I cann't even get into bios, that is the problem. By flash I guess you mean reset the bios and make it redetect ? John I might add that I do have power supply ,

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-05 Thread Dimitar Haralanov
On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 08:59:44 +1300 Sharrea Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 03:53, John Richard Smith wrote: et wrote: On Friday 05 December 2003 11:49 am, John Richard Smith wrote: I cann't even get into bios, that is the problem. By flash I guess youmean reset the bios

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-05 Thread John Richard Smith
My graphics card , gforce3 has a small fan on it and it's hardly turning at all. I bet that is the problem, can one buy replacements? John yes. send us a picture of the fan you get for it. however, while I ain't sure about your particular card, I do know some fans have a control circuit that

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-05 Thread John Richard Smith
Sharrea Day wrote: On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 03:53, John Richard Smith wrote: et wrote: On Friday 05 December 2003 11:49 am, John Richard Smith wrote: I cann't even get into bios, that is the problem. By flash I guess you mean reset the bios and make it redetect ? John I might add that I do have

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-05 Thread John Richard Smith
Dimitar Haralanov wrote: On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 08:59:44 +1300 Sharrea Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 03:53, John Richard Smith wrote: et wrote: On Friday 05 December 2003 11:49 am, John Richard Smith wrote: I cann't even get into bios, that is the problem. By flash I guess

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-05 Thread Margot
John Richard Smith wrote: Dimitar Haralanov wrote: On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 08:59:44 +1300 Sharrea Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 03:53, John Richard Smith wrote: et wrote: On Friday 05 December 2003 11:49 am, John Richard Smith wrote: I cann't even get into bios, that is the

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-05 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Friday 05 December 2003 03:37 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: whack Turns out that my powersupply has failed. I substituted a know to work powersupply and she booted. Put the old one back and she fails. My guess is that the 3.3v line is supplying under voltage. Just goes to show that