Re: 3D support?

2008-07-08 Thread The Rasterman
On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 10:10:04 +0200 Marc Palmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: on gp2x, another arm was pressed into doing defacto 3d and it turned out great. i think the 3d accel unit on freerunner is borked by the memory/interface bottleneck, and it thus becomes impractical to use.

Re: 3D support?

2008-07-08 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 21:22:27 +0200 Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: that's very sad to read! I just bought my FreeRunner just this week because I head on seeral talk that all docs are free (except GSM stack, I don't care) and now this ? yeah, get over it though, if you

Re: Current Bootchart

2008-07-08 Thread The Rasterman
On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 10:29:20 +0100 Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | after collect informations, we can sum up the most important issues for | boot time: Hey bootchart is really good step to

Re: 3D support?

2008-07-08 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:18:30 +0200 Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: BUT... the idea of a 2nd arm with some shared memory interface pressed into service as a general purpose accelerator (could do anything from graphics to video decode to audio playback, or anything else you can

flash (was: Current Bootchart)

2008-07-08 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Am Dienstag 08 Juli 2008 12:45:12 schrieb Carsten Haitzler: which brings me back to... we need a way to avoid jffs2 compression for some types of files. eg: *.jpg, *.png, *.gif, *.edj, *.mp3 ... :) We should consider one of the alternatives to jffs2. The jury is still out on yaffs2 and ubifs

Re: [PATCH] Adding password protection to U-boot

2008-07-08 Thread Werner Almesberger
Antonio MU?oz wrote: Hello all, I would like to know about this topic, is someone still working on it? I discussed this topic a bit with Thomas Seiler in the context of making it a general feature on all Neos, and we haven't found a way to provide such a protection and at the same time avoid

Re: flash

2008-07-08 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 14:35:13 +0200 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer | [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: | | Am Dienstag 08 Juli 2008 12:45:12 schrieb Carsten Haitzler: | which brings me back to... we need a way to avoid

Re: flash

2008-07-08 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Am Dienstag 08 Juli 2008 16:03:00 schrieb Andy Green: Jffs2 is just a symptom of writing direct to raw NAND... we don't need to deal with these unusual formats when our storage is SD Card. In that future, we use the very well characterized ext2 or ext3. Yes, but until then there may be a

Re: flash

2008-07-08 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Am Dienstag 08 Juli 2008 16:03:00 schrieb Andy Green: | Jffs2 is just a symptom of writing direct to raw NAND... we don't need | to deal with these unusual formats when our storage is SD Card. In that |

ANN: mickeydbus 0.9

2008-07-08 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Hi, with the framework we see an increasing amount of dbus interaction. Since the syntax of dbus-send is quite a pain, I decided to write something lean-and-mean to facilitate interaction and introspection with dbus. I'm pleased to announce mickeydbus 0.9. Grab it @

Re: 3D support?

2008-07-08 Thread Jay Vaughan
/me off to find multi-core ARM SOC's for future reference. the already exist. in fact most soc's are multi-core, just multi- SPECIFIC-cores eg, 1 arm core, 1 gfxcore, etc. ... some also throw in a dsp core etc. yeah i know (i'm working on Tolapai professionally at the moment), but i

Re: flash

2008-07-08 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Am Dienstag 08 Juli 2008 16:18:32 schrieb Andy Green: Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Am Dienstag 08 Juli 2008 16:03:00 schrieb Andy Green: | Jffs2 is just a symptom of writing direct to raw NAND... we don't need | to deal with these unusual formats when our storage is SD Card.

Re: flash

2008-07-08 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Andy Green wrote: | It's unclear where that problem comes from, | | The ECC might be a major factor in this. It's turned off because | software and hardware disagree on the ECC algorithm, causing images |

Re: [PATCH] Adding password protection to U-boot

2008-07-08 Thread Francesco Albanese
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Werner Almesberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you just replace u-boot in NAND, getting rid of the password is trivial: just bring up u-boot from NOR and wipe out the environment or install a u-boot that doesn't ask for passwords. That's correct. If you add

Re: flash

2008-07-08 Thread Werner Almesberger
Andy Green wrote: Is this because U-Boot (active at DFU time) doesn't use hw ECC then? Otherwise it would all come out in the wash? Yup. Or, alternatively, we could try to make u-boot use the same algorithm in software. Not sure what's easier to do. Matt, you figured that one out when we had

Re: flash

2008-07-08 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:58:15 +0100 Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Jffs2 is just a symptom of writing direct to raw NAND... we don't need | to deal with these unusual formats when our

Re: 3D support?

2008-07-08 Thread Jay Vaughan
if it's a multi-core SOC... now we are talking. Would, indeed, be seriously nice to talk about this for gta03/04/05/.. ; -- Jay Vaughan

Re: [PATCH] Adding password protection to U-boot

2008-07-08 Thread Werner Almesberger
Francesco Albanese wrote: NAND environment can be accessed on Linux via MTD using root privileges. It shouldn't be so difficult to write a tool to manage the NAND partition and reset a password just in case. Yeah, but you still have the issue that you either have guaranteed unbricking from any

PJSIP on Freerunner

2008-07-08 Thread timo
Hi, is anybody out there who try to compile pjsip on the opnemoko? If not i will do this next days because i need it for my PhD thesis. I think with the library it is very easy to implement a SIP softphone on the freerunner. I need it for other pruposes but a sip softphone would be nice. So if

Re: flash

2008-07-08 Thread Jay Vaughan
Well we can boot SD on GTA02. But I really mean it's not obvious we should make a big investment into a new raw mtd filesystem given where we are headed. i favour a 'distribution policy' approach whereby the SD card is the primary means of booting the OS, and onboard nonvolatile RAM is made

Re: Current Bootchart

2008-07-08 Thread Marek Lindner
On Wednesday, 9. July 2008 00:40:25 Fred Chien wrote: 3. sdio_wlan needs 1 sec or ?: 4. ar6000 needs 1 sec or? Both are part of the wifi driver. Currently I'm wokring on that and I think we will make it a module and not load it at boot time. Holger mentionned a SD card problem we might run

Re: Current Bootchart

2008-07-08 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | On Wednesday, 9. July 2008 00:40:25 Fred Chien wrote: | 3. sdio_wlan needs 1 sec or ?: | 4. ar6000 needs 1 sec or? | | Both are part of the wifi driver. Currently I'm wokring on that and I think we | will

Re: Openmoko Bug #1557: Don't use absolute paths in MokoMakefile

2008-07-08 Thread Openmoko Public Trac
#1557: Don't use absolute paths in MokoMakefile +--- Reporter: uzytkownik |Owner: openmoko-devel Type: defect | Status: new Priority: low |Milestone:

Re: ANN: mickeydbus 0.9

2008-07-08 Thread Marcel Holtmann
Hi Mickey, with the framework we see an increasing amount of dbus interaction. Since the syntax of dbus-send is quite a pain, I decided to write something lean-and-mean to facilitate interaction and introspection with dbus. I'm pleased to announce mickeydbus 0.9. Grab it @

Re: Current Bootchart / breaking SD boot

2008-07-08 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 18:45:33 +0100 Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Otherwise sounds fine to make it a module. You can't use NFS rootfs on | it AFAIK due to needing association sorted out

Re: ANN: mickeydbus 0.9

2008-07-08 Thread Shawn Rutledge
BTW I wrote a DBus extension (egg) for Chicken Scheme a while back. It uses libdbus. http://chicken.wiki.br/dbus#examples It's possible to cross-compile Chicken for OpenMoko, and then if you have installed gcc on your phone (on a microSD card for example) you can compile eggs (such as this one)

Re: 3D support?

2008-07-08 Thread Marc Palmans
Original Message From: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) it does - just that texture (and any other data) uploads/downloads will be sluggish. if u have an incredibly simple 3d environment with small texture sizes and very few of them, it won't matter - but reality is that these days 3d

Re: Openmoko Bug #1558: qemu from openmoko cannot be build

2008-07-08 Thread Openmoko Public Trac
#1558: qemu from openmoko cannot be build +--- Reporter: uzytkownik |Owner: openmoko-devel Type: defect | Status: closed Priority: normal |Milestone: Component:

Re: Current Bootchart / breaking SD boot

2008-07-08 Thread Werner Almesberger
Carsten Haitzler wrote: 1. we dont ship with that uboot menu - or we shouldnt be. the uboot env i know we ship waits 3 seconds then just boots. Huh ? Last time I checked, we very much did. It's the menu you get when you press and hold POWER and then press and hold AUX. remember i said to

Re: 3D support?

2008-07-08 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Di 8. Juli 2008 schrieb Jay Vaughan: if it's a multi-core SOC... now we are talking. Would, indeed, be seriously nice to talk about this for gta03/04/05/.. For GTA03 the features list is pretty much closed by now. 04 that's a different thing. 03 is about evolution. 04 is about

problem with toolchain- want to cross-compile lincity

2008-07-08 Thread Arne Zachlod
Hey guys, i downloaded lincity 1.13.1 today from sf.net and wanted to cross-compile it with the om-toolkit, but i get errors (yes, i expected this ;)). I did the following: 1. unzipped the source 2. renamed the dir to lincity 3. copied autogen.sh from the openmoko sample2 into the lincity dir

Re: flash

2008-07-08 Thread matt_hsu
Werner Almesberger wrote: Andy Green wrote: Is this because U-Boot (active at DFU time) doesn't use hw ECC then? Otherwise it would all come out in the wash? Yup. Or, alternatively, we could try to make u-boot use the same algorithm in software. Not sure what's easier to do. Matt,

Re: problem with toolchain- want to cross-compile lincity

2008-07-08 Thread John Lee
On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 12:06:28AM +0200, Arne Zachlod wrote: Hey guys, i downloaded lincity 1.13.1 today from sf.net and wanted to cross-compile it with the om-toolkit, but i get errors (yes, i expected this ;)). I did the following: 1. unzipped the source 2. renamed the dir to lincity

Re: GTA04 and beyond

2008-07-08 Thread Raphaƫl Jacquot
Paul Jimenez wrote: Stick with mini-USB; I hear China mandated it, and it's nice and standard anyway, so that's a good choice. Plus your customers have some investment in chargers cables. Or go micro-USB - half the height, otherwise fairly similar. And still standardish. Maybe add