Re: [Operators] google abandoning XMPP??

2013-05-22 Thread Philipp Hancke
On Wed, 22 May 2013, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: On the other hand, not needing to interoperate with Google Talk might free us to more aggressively work on network security improvements. I say let's take this as an opportunity rather than a disappointment. +1. I wonder what the correlation

Re: [Operators] google abandoning XMPP??

2013-05-22 Thread Hannes Tschofenig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On May 22, 2013, at 6:02 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: On the other hand, not needing to interoperate with Google Talk might free us to more aggressively work on network security improvements. I say let's take this as an opportunity rather than

Re: [Operators] google abandoning XMPP??

2013-05-22 Thread Kim Alvefur
On 2013-05-22 18:22, Hannes Tschofenig wrote: PS: I am wondering whether the claimed chat spam problems mentioned in the press articles are actually true? It matches what was said before, search this list for spammy invites. -- Kim signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [Operators] google abandoning XMPP??

2013-05-22 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 5/22/13 10:32 AM, Kim Alvefur wrote: On 2013-05-22 18:22, Hannes Tschofenig wrote: PS: I am wondering whether the claimed chat spam problems mentioned in the press articles are actually true? It matches what was said before, search this list

Re: [Operators] google abandoning XMPP??

2013-05-22 Thread Matthew Wild
On 22 May 2013 16:02, Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im wrote: On the other hand, not needing to interoperate with Google Talk might free us to more aggressively work on network security improvements. I say let's take this as an opportunity rather than a disappointment. Agreed. We're

Re: [Operators] google abandoning XMPP??

2013-05-22 Thread michael p
I dont think it matters if they were true or not- Google and every other walled garden uses spam as an excuse, and a poor excuse at that. Anybody can cut down on spam by reducing access- real programmers/engineers/admins accept the challenge of providing quality, open systems. This whole move

Re: [Operators] google abandoning XMPP??

2013-05-22 Thread Nigel Kukard
On 05/22/2013 04:47 PM, michael p wrote: I dont think it matters if they were true or not- Google and every other walled garden uses spam as an excuse, and a poor excuse at that. Anybody can cut down on spam by reducing access- real programmers/engineers/admins accept the challenge of

Re: [Operators] google abandoning XMPP??

2013-05-22 Thread Olle E. Johansson
22 maj 2013 kl. 18:40 skrev Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im: In any case, I say let's continue to focus on improving XMPP. When people get sick of all these silos again, as I expect they will, we'll be ready. In the Stockholm Internet Forum today, it was highlighted that almost all

Re: [Operators] google abandoning XMPP??

2013-05-22 Thread Dave Cridland
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Kim Alvefur z...@zash.se wrote: On 2013-05-22 18:22, Hannes Tschofenig wrote: PS: I am wondering whether the claimed chat spam problems mentioned in the press articles are actually true? It matches what was said before, search this list for spammy invites.

Re: [Operators] google abandoning XMPP??

2013-05-22 Thread Kim Alvefur
On 2013-05-22 19:54, Dave Cridland wrote: On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Kim Alvefur z...@zash.se wrote: On 2013-05-22 18:22, Hannes Tschofenig wrote: PS: I am wondering whether the claimed chat spam problems mentioned in the press articles are actually true? It matches what was said

Re: [Operators] google abandoning XMPP??

2013-05-22 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 5/22/13 12:27 PM, Philipp Hancke wrote: Am 22.05.2013 18:40, schrieb Peter Saint-Andre: I think it was a bit over-the-top for Chee Chew to claim that the majority of the server-to-server connectivity to the Google Talk service was established

Re: [Operators] google abandoning XMPP??

2013-05-22 Thread Philipp Hancke
Am 22.05.2013 20:30, schrieb Peter Saint-Andre: So the protocol isn't as rich as they want... guess they haven't understood the x part in xmpp. Well, I see no reason for us to act the jilted lover. :-) We had an on-and-off affair (2005-2013) but XMPP predated Google Talk and now we start the

Re: [Operators] google abandoning XMPP??

2013-05-22 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 5/22/13 1:09 PM, Philipp Hancke wrote: Am 22.05.2013 20:30, schrieb Peter Saint-Andre: So the protocol isn't as rich as they want... guess they haven't understood the x part in xmpp. Well, I see no reason for us to act the jilted lover. :-) We had an on-and-off affair (2005-2013) but XMPP

[Operators] Update lightwitch.org public service data

2013-05-22 Thread Marco Cirillo
Information is to be updated as follows: domain: [lightwitch.org] website: [http://www.lightwitch.org/im-service] year launched: [2009] country: [USA] latitude: [40.73] longitude: [-74.17] CA: [StartSSL] server software: [Metronome] admin name: [Marco Cirillo]

Re: [Operators] Update lightwitch.org public service data

2013-05-22 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 5/22/13 2:58 PM, Marco Cirillo wrote: Information is to be updated as follows: domain: [lightwitch.org] website: [http://www.lightwitch.org/im-service] year launched: [2009] country: [USA] latitude: [40.73] longitude: [-74.17] CA:

Re: [Operators] spam resistance

2013-05-22 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Justin, thanks for weighing in. On 5/22/13 5:35 PM, Justin Uberti wrote: On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im mailto:stpe...@stpeter.im wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 5/22/13