[petsc-users] Mailing list reply-to munging (was Any changes in ML usage between 3.1-p8 - 3.3-p6?)

2013-04-18 Thread Satish Balay
On Wed, 17 Apr 2013, Jed Brown wrote: John Doe sends email to petsc-users and the mailing list rewrites Reply-To back to the list. Now any user hits reply-all and their mailer gives them a message that replies *only* to petsc-users, dropping the original author. This is a problem, Its a

[petsc-users] Mailing list reply-to munging (was Any changes in ML usage between 3.1-p8 - 3.3-p6?)

2013-04-18 Thread Jed Brown
Satish Balay balay at mcs.anl.gov writes: On Wed, 17 Apr 2013, Jed Brown wrote: John Doe sends email to petsc-users and the mailing list rewrites Reply-To back to the list. Now any user hits reply-all and their mailer gives them a message that replies *only* to petsc-users, dropping the

[petsc-users] Mailing list reply-to munging (was Any changes in ML usage between 3.1-p8 - 3.3-p6?)

2013-04-18 Thread Satish Balay
On Thu, 18 Apr 2013, Jed Brown wrote: Satish Balay balay at mcs.anl.gov writes: On Wed, 17 Apr 2013, Jed Brown wrote: John Doe sends email to petsc-users and the mailing list rewrites Reply-To back to the list. Now any user hits reply-all and their mailer gives them a message that

[petsc-users] Mailing list reply-to munging (was Any changes in ML usage between 3.1-p8 - 3.3-p6?)

2013-04-18 Thread Jed Brown
Satish Balay balay at mcs.anl.gov writes: Again 'minority usage. Since one would not care about following list except for 'when they post' - They would filter list traffic into a different folder - and look at that folder only when they post to that list. The problem is that you have to

[petsc-users] Mailing list reply-to munging (was Any changes in ML usage between 3.1-p8 - 3.3-p6?)

2013-04-18 Thread Satish Balay
On Thu, 18 Apr 2013, Jed Brown wrote: Satish Balay balay at mcs.anl.gov writes: Again 'minority usage. Since one would not care about following list except for 'when they post' - They would filter list traffic into a different folder - and look at that folder only when they post to that

[petsc-users] Mailing list reply-to munging (was Any changes in ML usage between 3.1-p8 - 3.3-p6?)

2013-04-18 Thread Jed Brown
Satish Balay balay at mcs.anl.gov writes: Sure - there is cost for 'minority users. But to save that - you propose a cost to majority users [i.e everyone should conciously use 'reply-all'] That has always been standard mailing list etiquette. Does the list configuration have an API? If so,

[petsc-users] Mailing list reply-to munging (was Any changes in ML usage between 3.1-p8 - 3.3-p6?)

2013-04-17 Thread Jed Brown
Satish Balay balay at mcs.anl.gov writes: On Wed, 17 Apr 2013, Jozsef Bakosi wrote: Can you guys please CC jbakosi at lanl.gov? Thanks, J Mailing lists are setup that way. The default is: subscribe to participate, and reply-to: list. So cc:ing automatically doesn't work. If everyone used

[petsc-users] Mailing list reply-to munging (was Any changes in ML usage between 3.1-p8 - 3.3-p6?)

2013-04-17 Thread Satish Balay
On Wed, 17 Apr 2013, Jed Brown wrote: Satish Balay balay at mcs.anl.gov writes: On Wed, 17 Apr 2013, Jozsef Bakosi wrote: Can you guys please CC jbakosi at lanl.gov? Thanks, J Mailing lists are setup that way. The default is: subscribe to participate, and reply-to: list. So cc:ing

[petsc-users] Mailing list reply-to munging (was Any changes in ML usage between 3.1-p8 - 3.3-p6?)

2013-04-17 Thread Jed Brown
Satish Balay balay at mcs.anl.gov writes: I know you deal with personal replies for petsc-maint stuff. But I set up my mailer to automatically set Reply-to:petsc-maint for all petsc-maint traffic [and modify it manually for the 1% usage case where thats not appropriate] If I only set

[petsc-users] Mailing list reply-to munging (was Any changes in ML usage between 3.1-p8 - 3.3-p6?)

2013-04-17 Thread Satish Balay
On Wed, 17 Apr 2013, Jed Brown wrote: Satish Balay balay at mcs.anl.gov writes: I know you deal with personal replies for petsc-maint stuff. But I set up my mailer to automatically set Reply-to:petsc-maint for all petsc-maint traffic [and modify it manually for the 1% usage case where

[petsc-users] Mailing list reply-to munging (was Any changes in ML usage between 3.1-p8 - 3.3-p6?)

2013-04-17 Thread Jed Brown
Satish Balay balay at mcs.anl.gov writes: If from is a problem [and messesup anyones mailboxes] - I can change that. I felt it was best to deal with it as petsc-maint completely. This will cause the problem I mentioned because Reply-to is not strictly respected either. Several of us sending

[petsc-users] Mailing list reply-to munging (was Any changes in ML usage between 3.1-p8 - 3.3-p6?)

2013-04-17 Thread Satish Balay
On Wed, 17 Apr 2013, Jed Brown wrote: But this is drifting off-topic. The question is whether it's better to munge Reply-to for petsc-users and petsc-dev, which boils down to: Is it feasible to adopt mailing list etiquette of using reply-all or must we stick with the current mode of

[petsc-users] Mailing list reply-to munging (was Any changes in ML usage between 3.1-p8 - 3.3-p6?)

2013-04-17 Thread Jed Brown
Satish Balay balay at mcs.anl.gov writes: This benefit is a bit dubious - as you'll get some migration of petsc-maint traffic to petsc-users - but then you loose all the 'reply-to-individual' emails from the archives [yeah - reply-to-reply emails with cc:list added get archived - perhaps with

[petsc-users] Mailing list reply-to munging (was Any changes in ML usage between 3.1-p8 - 3.3-p6?)

2013-04-17 Thread Satish Balay
On Wed, 17 Apr 2013, Jed Brown wrote: Satish Balay balay at mcs.anl.gov writes: This benefit is a bit dubious - as you'll get some migration of petsc-maint traffic to petsc-users - but then you loose all the 'reply-to-individual' emails from the archives [yeah - reply-to-reply emails

[petsc-users] Mailing list reply-to munging (was Any changes in ML usage between 3.1-p8 - 3.3-p6?)

2013-04-17 Thread Jed Brown
Satish Balay balay at mcs.anl.gov writes: So it is a client side filtering. Curently there is no spam on the mailing lists - as it goes in for moderator approval. If we switch everyone will get spam - and users filters would have to take care of things. I guess gmail does it one way - but not