I think someone has been having fun with the Poll... ;-)
It used to be like 10::20 and now it's 71::31... Hmmm
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Haven't had the time to read up on the maillist, but here's my input.
Mattias Thorslund wrote on 09/01/2010 02:26:
To my eyes, ? means look there is more content coming, which seems
kind of silly when there isn't.
To mine it means, no more PHP code for now. I don't wanna make it
John Corry wrote on 12/01/2010 17:04:
I leave ? out.
I'm pretty careful about my code formatting and whitespace.
It's my opinion that if I can eliminate a potential problem by not including
an optional closing tag...there's really no reason why I shouldn't.
What is the difference between:
?
On Thu, 2010-01-14 at 23:30 +0100, Kim Madsen wrote:
John Corry wrote on 12/01/2010 17:04:
I leave ? out.
I'm pretty careful about my code formatting and whitespace.
It's my opinion that if I can eliminate a potential problem by not including
an optional closing tag...there's
Ashley Sheridan wrote on 14/01/2010 23:30:
What is the difference between:
?
print hello PHPeople;
?WHITESPACE
and
?
print hello PHPeople;
WHITESPACE
Same shit when I look at it, a sloppy developer is what it is :-)
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Plenty of differences, if you
On Thu, 2010-01-14 at 23:37 +0100, Kim Madsen wrote:
Ashley Sheridan wrote on 14/01/2010 23:30:
What is the difference between:
?
print hello PHPeople;
?WHITESPACE
and
?
print hello PHPeople;
WHITESPACE
Same shit when I look at it, a sloppy developer is what it is :-)
Ashley Sheridan wrote on 14/01/2010 23:36:
What has been said on this thread a few times is it is not always a
developer error, but a bug with the editor, which is not something that
will be picked up until it occurs.
Once again I love my VIm :-) (with whitespace highlight if needed)
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On Fri, 2010-01-15 at 00:04 +0100, Kim Madsen wrote:
Ashley Sheridan wrote on 14/01/2010 23:36:
What has been said on this thread a few times is it is not always a
developer error, but a bug with the editor, which is not something that
will be picked up until it occurs.
Once again I
Wait, Kim, whats your last name?
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Kim Madsen php@emax.dk wrote:
Ashley Sheridan wrote on 14/01/2010 23:36:
What has been said on this thread a few times is it is not always a
developer error, but a bug with the editor, which is not something that will
Kim Madsen wrote:
Mattias Thorslund wrote on 09/01/2010 02:26:
A neat thing with pairing every ?php with a ? when mixed in HTML is
that these are valid XML processing instructions. If your HTML
satisfies XML well-formedness, your PHP document will also be valid
XML. Not that I've ever had any
Op 1/14/10 11:37 PM, Kim Madsen schreef:
Ashley Sheridan wrote on 14/01/2010 23:30:
What is the difference between:
?
print hello PHPeople;
?WHITESPACE
and
?
print hello PHPeople;
WHITESPACE
Same shit when I look at it, a sloppy developer is what it is :-)
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Kim
You could also sit on the egg.
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 3:41 PM, tedd tedd.sperl...@gmail.com wrote:
At 3:49 PM -0500 1/12/10, Robert Cummings wrote:
tedd wrote:
At 5:24 PM + 1/12/10, Ashley Sheridan wrote:
On Tue, 2010-01-12 at 12:22 -0500, Robert Cummings wrote:
-- egg snip-its
I leave ? out.
I'm pretty careful about my code formatting and whitespace.
It's my opinion that if I can eliminate a potential problem by not including
an optional closing tag...there's really no reason why I shouldn't.
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On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Daevid Vincent dae...@daevid.com wrote:
I'm having a debate with a co-worker about adding the final ? on a PHP
page...
So everybody, when do we get to the real discussion? Which end of an
egg do we break?
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LinuxManMikeC wrote:
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Daevid Vincent dae...@daevid.com wrote:
I'm having a debate with a co-worker about adding the final ? on a PHP
page...
So everybody, when do we get to the real discussion? Which end of an
egg do we break?
Depends upon how far away the
Michael A. Peters wrote:
LinuxManMikeC wrote:
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Daevid Vincent dae...@daevid.com wrote:
I'm having a debate with a co-worker about adding the final ? on a PHP
page...
So everybody, when do we get to the real discussion? Which end of an
egg do we break?
On Tue, 2010-01-12 at 12:22 -0500, Robert Cummings wrote:
Michael A. Peters wrote:
LinuxManMikeC wrote:
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Daevid Vincent dae...@daevid.com wrote:
I'm having a debate with a co-worker about adding the final ? on a PHP
page...
So everybody, when do we get
At 5:24 PM + 1/12/10, Ashley Sheridan wrote:
On Tue, 2010-01-12 at 12:22 -0500, Robert Cummings wrote:
-- egg snip-its
While on the subject of eggs and other non-php topics, here's a life trick.
If you don't know if an egg is hard-boiled, or not, try spinning it.
A hard-boiled egg will
On Tue, 2010-01-12 at 12:52 -0500, tedd wrote:
At 5:24 PM + 1/12/10, Ashley Sheridan wrote:
On Tue, 2010-01-12 at 12:22 -0500, Robert Cummings wrote:
-- egg snip-its
While on the subject of eggs and other non-php topics, here's a life trick.
If you don't know if an egg is
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 05:24:06PM +, Ashley Sheridan wrote:
On Tue, 2010-01-12 at 12:22 -0500, Robert Cummings wrote:
Michael A. Peters wrote:
LinuxManMikeC wrote:
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Daevid Vincent dae...@daevid.com
wrote:
I'm having a debate with a co-worker
On Tue, 2010-01-12 at 13:10 -0500, Paul M Foster wrote:
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 05:24:06PM +, Ashley Sheridan wrote:
On Tue, 2010-01-12 at 12:22 -0500, Robert Cummings wrote:
Michael A. Peters wrote:
LinuxManMikeC wrote:
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Daevid Vincent
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 06:08:59PM +, Ashley Sheridan wrote:
On Tue, 2010-01-12 at 13:10 -0500, Paul M Foster wrote:
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 05:24:06PM +, Ashley Sheridan wrote:
snip
There's always a chance that if thrown, the egg won't contact end-on.
- Original Message -
From: Paul M Foster pa...@quillandmouse.com
To: Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk
Cc: php-general@lists.php.net
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: [PHP] POLL: To add the final ? or not...
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 06:08:59PM +, Ashley
tedd wrote:
At 5:24 PM + 1/12/10, Ashley Sheridan wrote:
On Tue, 2010-01-12 at 12:22 -0500, Robert Cummings wrote:
-- egg snip-its
While on the subject of eggs and other non-php topics, here's a life trick.
If you don't know if an egg is hard-boiled, or not, try spinning it.
A
At 3:49 PM -0500 1/12/10, Robert Cummings wrote:
tedd wrote:
At 5:24 PM + 1/12/10, Ashley Sheridan wrote:
On Tue, 2010-01-12 at 12:22 -0500, Robert Cummings wrote:
-- egg snip-its
While on the subject of eggs and other non-php topics, here's a life trick.
If you don't know if an egg is
Paul M Foster wrote:
I leave it off. I don't want to have to worry about which editor I'm
using or whether I accidentally left some whitespace where it shouldn't
be.
I also use different editors in different situations, both terminal based
and GUI. For instance I find Midnight Commander's
Ever write a string replace function on a closing ? //somecomment here like
end junk
I have written some systems and gone back two to three years later and found
myself having to do such. Sloppy, sure. Minimize cost to the client? Oh
yeah.
I keep em, and comment 'em as I feel I should.
On
Daevid Vincent wrote:
What do you guys all do?
I keep it there, and just make sure not to have white space where it
should not be.
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Stuart Dallas wrote:
That's a massive assumption. There are a number of editors that
automatically add a blank line to the end of source files. I stand by
taking the option that requires the least conscious thought from your
developers - they have enough important stuff to occupy their brain
On 10 Jan 2010, at 14:44, Michael A. Peters wrote:
Stuart Dallas wrote:
That's a massive assumption. There are a number of editors that
automatically add a blank line to the end of source files. I stand by
taking the option that requires the least conscious thought from your
developers -
Stuart Dallas wrote:
On 10 Jan 2010, at 14:44, Michael A. Peters wrote:
Stuart Dallas wrote:
That's a massive assumption. There are a number of editors that
automatically add a blank line to the end of source files. I stand by
taking the option that requires the least conscious thought from
Stuart Dallas wrote:
That's a massive assumption. There are a number of editors that automatically
add a blank line to the end of source files.
A single \n after the final ? doesn't matter anyways. Even if the following
example was two different files where the second included the first,
On Sun, 2010-01-10 at 08:52 -0800, Jim Lucas wrote:
Stuart Dallas wrote:
That's a massive assumption. There are a number of editors that
automatically add a blank line to the end of source files.
A single \n after the final ? doesn't matter anyways. Even if the following
example
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 06:41:19AM -0800, Michael A. Peters wrote:
Daevid Vincent wrote:
What do you guys all do?
I leave it off. I don't want to have to worry about which editor I'm
using or whether I accidentally left some whitespace where it shouldn't
be.
Paul
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I'm having a debate with a co-worker about adding the final ? on a PHP
page...
To be honest, I am the lead, and I could pull rank and be done with the
discussion, however I don't like to be that way. I would rather do the
right thing. If my way of thinking is old-school (I've been coding since
On Fri, 2010-01-08 at 12:24 -0800, Daevid Vincent wrote:
I'm having a debate with a co-worker about adding the final ? on a PHP
page...
To be honest, I am the lead, and I could pull rank and be done with the
discussion, however I don't like to be that way. I would rather do the
right
http://framework.zend.com/manual/en/coding-standard.html#coding-standard.overview.scope
This document provides guidelines for code formatting and
documentation to individuals and teams contributing to Zend
Framework.
So as far as anything other than code being contributed to Zend
Framework, its
if you use the newest PDT, you will find that a new php file has no final ?
I vote for your co-worker [?]
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:49 PM, LinuxManMikeC linuxmanmi...@gmail.comwrote:
http://framework.zend.com/manual/en/coding-standard.html#coding-standard.overview.scope
This document provides
On 8 Jan 2010, at 20:49, LinuxManMikeC wrote:
http://framework.zend.com/manual/en/coding-standard.html#coding-standard.overview.scope
This document provides guidelines for code formatting and
documentation to individuals and teams contributing to Zend
Framework.
So as far as anything other
On Fri, 2010-01-08 at 21:30 +, Stuart Dallas wrote:
On 8 Jan 2010, at 20:49, LinuxManMikeC wrote:
http://framework.zend.com/manual/en/coding-standard.html#coding-standard.overview.scope
This document provides guidelines for code formatting and
documentation to individuals and teams
On 8 Jan 2010, at 21:38, Ashley Sheridan wrote:
On Fri, 2010-01-08 at 21:30 +, Stuart Dallas wrote:
On 8 Jan 2010, at 20:49, LinuxManMikeC wrote:
http://framework.zend.com/manual/en/coding-standard.html#coding-standard.overview.scope
This document provides guidelines for code
At 12:24 PM -0800 1/8/10, Daevid Vincent wrote:
What do you guys all do?
I always close my code.
I have never had a problem in doing so.
I shall continue to close my code until it trips me up. At such time,
I'll figure out what the problem is and fix it. Then I'll probably
still close my
Hadn't paid much attention to the issue until reading a previous
discussion on the topic, here on this list. After that, I decided to be
consistent and leave the closing ? out in all include files.
To my eyes, ? means look there is more content coming, which seems
kind of silly when there
I would leave this to personal preference, whether there is a closing ? or
not wouldn't bother me. I could argue both ways:
Pro: You should put a final ? for neatness and XML compatibility.
Con: It makes the script fractionally slower because 2 more characters have
to be processed and there might
Mattias Thorslund wrote:
Hadn't paid much attention to the issue until reading a previous
discussion on the topic, here on this list. After that, I decided to be
consistent and leave the closing ? out in all include files.
To my eyes, ? means look there is more content coming, which seems
tedd wrote:
At 12:24 PM -0800 1/8/10, Daevid Vincent wrote:
What do you guys all do?
I always close my code.
I have never had a problem in doing so.
I shall continue to close my code until it trips me up. At such time,
I'll figure out what the problem is and fix it. Then I'll probably
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