Bug#526489: Fwd: Re: Bug#526489: Time to orphan eclipse? (Bug#526489: eclipse: should this package be orphaned?)
Forwarded from -devel -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: Bug#526489: Time to orphan eclipse? (Bug#526489: eclipse: should this package be orphaned?) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 From: Ana Guerrero a...@debian.org To: Jerry Haltom was...@larvalstage.net, Michael Koch konque...@gmx.de, Matthias Klose d...@debian.org, Stephan Michels step...@apache.org On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 01:40:49AM +0200, Ana Guerrero wrote: I filed the quoted report almost 3 weeks ago. Resending to people listed as eclipse uploaders in case they did not get it. Third and last warning, I will orphan eclipse next saturday (20th June), so if somebody from the Java team is interested, please step up now. Usually, I would have orphaned the package already, but I was hoping from somebody from the team take over it. Sadly, I did not get a word from any of the uploaders (a i am not longer interested email would have been nice) or from somebody else from the team. For the record, even if the last version we have in Debian is 3.2.2, there was some work done (from one year ago) in the SVN for the version 3.4: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-java/trunk/eclipse/debian/?op=logrev=0sc=0isdir=1 On Fri, May 01, 2009 at 04:33:20PM +0200, Ana Guerrero wrote: Package: eclipse Version: 3.2.2-6.1 Severity: important After being hit by #507536 (merged with #511713, #515747) and read http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=507536#104 I have been looking at the status of eclipse in Debian. Eclipse's packaging is under the umbrella of the Debian Java Maintainers, but it is currently lacking of a main maintainer. Latest maintainer upload was almost a year ago (8 May 2008), and the package has missed a few upstream releases (Current version is 3.4.2) since then. I am cc'ing all the people listed in the uploaders field, are you still interested in maintaining eclipse? Ana Original bug report at: http://bugs.debian.org/526489 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org --- ___ pkg-java-maintainers mailing list pkg-java-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-java-maintainers
Bug#526489: Re: Bug#526489: Time to orphan eclipse? (Bug#526489: eclipse: should this package be orphaned?)
Hi *, can I be of any help? I don't think that I have the time to take over the entire packaging of Eclipse in Debian - at least not at the moment, but I can offer to help and advice anyone who would be willing to do this. I am building all those packages that you can download from eclipse.org/downloads and we are just a few days away from the next major release - Galileo. So, maybe not the best moment to 'orphan' Eclipse in Debian. Personally I think it would be great to have a newer version of Eclipse and its tools in Debian. Or did you contact one of the persons of the Linux Distro Project? Maybe they have some resources they can spend on that? Regards, Markus 2009/6/15 Andrew Vaughan ajv-li...@netspace.net.au Forwarded from -devel -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: Bug#526489: Time to orphan eclipse? (Bug#526489: eclipse: should this package be orphaned?) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 From: Ana Guerrero a...@debian.org To: Jerry Haltom was...@larvalstage.net, Michael Koch konque...@gmx.de, Matthias Klose d...@debian.org, Stephan Michels step...@apache.org On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 01:40:49AM +0200, Ana Guerrero wrote: I filed the quoted report almost 3 weeks ago. Resending to people listed as eclipse uploaders in case they did not get it. Third and last warning, I will orphan eclipse next saturday (20th June), so if somebody from the Java team is interested, please step up now. Usually, I would have orphaned the package already, but I was hoping from somebody from the team take over it. Sadly, I did not get a word from any of the uploaders (a i am not longer interested email would have been nice) or from somebody else from the team. For the record, even if the last version we have in Debian is 3.2.2, there was some work done (from one year ago) in the SVN for the version 3.4: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-java/trunk/eclipse/debian/?op=logrev=0sc=0isdir=1 On Fri, May 01, 2009 at 04:33:20PM +0200, Ana Guerrero wrote: Package: eclipse Version: 3.2.2-6.1 Severity: important After being hit by #507536 (merged with #511713, #515747) and read http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=507536#104 I have been looking at the status of eclipse in Debian. Eclipse's packaging is under the umbrella of the Debian Java Maintainers, but it is currently lacking of a main maintainer. Latest maintainer upload was almost a year ago (8 May 2008), and the package has missed a few upstream releases (Current version is 3.4.2) since then. I am cc'ing all the people listed in the uploaders field, are you still interested in maintaining eclipse? Ana Original bug report at: http://bugs.debian.org/526489 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-java-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org ___ pkg-java-maintainers mailing list pkg-java-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-java-maintainers
Bug#526489: eclipse: should this package be orphaned
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, From: Ana Guerrero a...@debian.org Third and last warning, I will orphan eclipse next saturday (20th June), Perhaps the right thing to do is simply to have eclipse removed from the archive. It is way too outdated to be useful now, and would require *major* work to update. Cheers, Marcus -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAko2LmoACgkQXjXn6TzcAQkaVACg56EVOBIr85iOZtgQEJqzxtbE zBsAn0z7i/O8t1s8oMZpMPLGbxWAsb2M =fd3U -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ pkg-java-maintainers mailing list pkg-java-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-java-maintainers
Bug#526489: eclipse: should this package be orphaned
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Marcus Bettermar...@better.se wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, From: Ana Guerrero a...@debian.org Third and last warning, I will orphan eclipse next saturday (20th June), Perhaps the right thing to do is simply to have eclipse removed from the archive. It is way too outdated to be useful now, and would require *major* work to update. The major work is essentially equivalent to a rewrite (of the packaging). Different jdk, build system, update management, policy, etc etc. Pretty much the only things left will be the boilerplate (debian/copyright files and such). Removing the eclipse 3.2 from the archive would be fine with me, fwiw, especially if it motivates anyone to contribute towards getting 3.5 in. ___ pkg-java-maintainers mailing list pkg-java-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-java-maintainers
Bug#526489: Re: Bug#526489: Time to orphan eclipse? (Bug#526489: eclipse: should this package be orphaned?)
* Markus Knauer mkna...@innoopract.com [2009-06-15 06:21]: Or did you contact one of the persons of the Linux Distro Project? Maybe they have some resources they can spend on that? Unfortunately, we do not (and we're now known as the Linux Tools Project :) . However, we are working on making the Eclipse SDK (eclipse in this context) more easily buildable by Linux distros. When that is ready, we plan to publicize it and hopefully it will spark some interest in packaging for the various distros. Andrew ___ pkg-java-maintainers mailing list pkg-java-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-java-maintainers
Bug#526489: Time to orphan eclipse? (Bug#526489: eclipse: should this package be orphaned?)
Hi, can I be of any help? (I would take it over) I can offer my time but i think i need some help. Background: I'm working with eclipse since version (~3.0) and with debian linux since 5 years. I have some knowledge in building debian packages. --- Jens Kapitza ___ pkg-java-maintainers mailing list pkg-java-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-java-maintainers
Bug#526489: Time to orphan eclipse? (Bug#526489: eclipse: should this package be orphaned?)
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Jens Kapitza wrote: Hi, can I be of any help? (I would take it over) I can offer my time but i think i need some help. About half a year ago I offered sponsoring packages to push things but I have basically zero Java experience and can only check about Debian policy and stuff - not really stress test whether the installed packages are really working. I might add that my spare time to do this is not as much any more as it was when I pronounced this offer. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ pkg-java-maintainers mailing list pkg-java-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-java-maintainers
Bug#526489: Time to orphan eclipse? (Bug#526489: eclipse: should this package be orphaned?)
Thanks for dropping an answer... On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 06:18:06PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: Ana Guerrero schrieb: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 01:40:49AM +0200, Ana Guerrero wrote: I filed the quoted report almost 3 weeks ago. Resending to people listed as eclipse uploaders in case they did not get it. Third and last warning, I will orphan eclipse next saturday (20th June), so if somebody from the Java team is interested, please step up now. please wait until afer debconf with orphaning the package. there might be some interest. uhm, I fail to see what debconf is going to change with respect this situation :? Usually, I would have orphaned the package already, but I was hoping from somebody from the team take over it. Sadly, I did not get a word from any of the uploaders (a i am not longer interested email would have been nice) or from somebody else from the team. For the record, even if the last version we have in Debian is 3.2.2, there was some work done (from one year ago) in the SVN for the version 3.4: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-java/trunk/eclipse/debian/?op=logrev=0sc=0isdir=1 care to help with this? the problem with eclipse is that everybody seems to start his/her own packaging and gets stuck with it. Just doing some QA here, I am not a eclipse user :) Ana ___ pkg-java-maintainers mailing list pkg-java-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-java-maintainers
Bug#526489: eclipse: should this package be orphaned
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 02:41:45PM +0300, Pantelis Koukousoulas wrote: On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Marcus Bettermar...@better.se wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, From: Ana Guerrero a...@debian.org Third and last warning, I will orphan eclipse next saturday (20th June), Perhaps the right thing to do is simply to have eclipse removed from the archive. It is way too outdated to be useful now, and would require *major* work to update. The major work is essentially equivalent to a rewrite (of the packaging). Different jdk, build system, update management, policy, etc etc. Pretty much the only things left will be the boilerplate (debian/copyright files and such). Removing the eclipse 3.2 from the archive would be fine with me, fwiw, especially if it motivates anyone to contribute towards getting 3.5 in. I think removing directly is not a good idea. It is a widely used application, so I am really hoping somebody gets interested in maintaining it. But if nobody takes over, yes, eventually we should remove it. In the meantime, IMHO it makes sense ask the removal from testing. Ana ___ pkg-java-maintainers mailing list pkg-java-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-java-maintainers
Bug#526489: Time to orphan eclipse? (Bug#526489: eclipse: should this package be orphaned?)
Hi Markus, Jens and list: On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 03:52:34PM +0200, Jens Kapitza wrote: Hi, can I be of any help? (I would take it over) I can offer my time but i think i need some help. You could ask to join the java team for maintaining eclipse, so you can commit in the pkg-java's SVN and updating the package. (*) Given the size of eclipse and all its functionalities, only one single maintainer is too few. And even if you all do not manage to fix all the problems, some maintainance is better than none. The main issue is you will always need an interested Debian Developer to sponsor the package. (*) Ask about this in debian-j...@lists.debian.org list. Ana ___ pkg-java-maintainers mailing list pkg-java-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-java-maintainers
Bug#526489: Time to orphan eclipse? (Bug#526489: eclipse: should this package be orphaned?)
On Mon Jun 15 16:32, Andreas Tille wrote: On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Jens Kapitza wrote: I can offer my time but i think i need some help. About half a year ago I offered sponsoring packages to push things but I have basically zero Java experience and can only check about Debian policy and stuff - not really stress test whether the installed packages are really working. I can sponsor and do have Java experience (although won't be using Eclipse). Eclipse is also a fairly complicated package from what I remember, so may take some time for anyone to grok, Java experience or not. Jens, and anyone else who is interested in this, do you want to send me any questions you have? Matt -- Matthew Johnson signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ pkg-java-maintainers mailing list pkg-java-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-java-maintainers
Bug#526489: eclipse: should this package be orphaned
Removing the eclipse 3.2 from the archive would be fine with me, fwiw, especially if it motivates anyone to contribute towards getting 3.5 in. I think removing directly is not a good idea. It is a widely used application, so I am really hoping somebody gets interested in maintaining it. But if nobody takes over, yes, eventually we should remove it. In the meantime, IMHO it makes sense ask the removal from testing. Eclipse is widely used for sure, it is just the version that is in debian that practically nobody uses these days. Debian users typically just download the upstream binary version instead. Perhaps the eclipse package can be replaced with an installer-type thingie (a-la fwcutter) that just brings in the appropriate dependencies (e.g., openjdk, xulrunner etc) and arranges for the upstream binary to be installed would be the most useful option short term. That is, until upstream gets a sane build system that does not require tons of patches and complexity and us debian people can agree to a policy regarding the packaging of eclipse and collaboration of apt with eclipse's P2. just my 0.02 ___ pkg-java-maintainers mailing list pkg-java-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-java-maintainers
Bug#526489: eclipse: should this package be orphaned
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 13:21, Pantelis Koukousoulas pkt...@gmail.comwrote: Perhaps the eclipse package can be replaced with an installer-type thingie (a-la fwcutter) that just brings in the appropriate dependencies (e.g., openjdk, xulrunner etc) and arranges for the upstream binary to be installed would be the most useful option short term. That is, until upstream gets a sane build system that does not require tons of patches and complexity and us debian people can agree to a policy regarding the packaging of eclipse and collaboration of apt with eclipse's P2. That would seem like a reasonable interim solution, but (iirc) such a package can't be included in main, but rather stored in contrib. -- Luke Faraone http://luke.faraone.cc ___ pkg-java-maintainers mailing list pkg-java-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-java-maintainers
Bug#526489: Time to orphan eclipse? (Bug#526489: eclipse: should this package be orphaned?)
I filed the quoted report almost 3 weeks ago. Resending to people listed as eclipse uploaders in case they did not get it. On Fri, May 01, 2009 at 04:33:20PM +0200, Ana Guerrero wrote: Package: eclipse Version: 3.2.2-6.1 Severity: important After being hit by #507536 (merged with #511713, #515747) and read http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=507536#104 I have been looking at the status of eclipse in Debian. Eclipse's packaging is under the umbrella of the Debian Java Maintainers, but it is currently lacking of a main maintainer. Latest maintainer upload was almost a year ago (8 May 2008), and the package has missed a few upstream releases (Current version is 3.4.2) since then. I am cc'ing all the people listed in the uploaders field, are you still interested in maintaining eclipse? Ana Original bug report at: http://bugs.debian.org/526489 ___ pkg-java-maintainers mailing list pkg-java-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-java-maintainers
Bug#526489: eclipse: should this package be orphaned?
Package: eclipse Version: 3.2.2-6.1 Severity: important After being hit by #507536 (merged with #511713, #515747) and read http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=507536#104 I have been looking at the status of eclipse in Debian. Eclipse's packaging is under the umbrella of the Debian Java Maintainers, but it is currently lacking of a main maintainer. Latest maintainer upload was almost a year ago (8 May 2008), and the package has missed a few upstream releases (Current version is 3.4.2) since then. I am cc'ing all the people listed in the uploaders field, are you still interested in maintaining eclipse? Ana ___ pkg-java-maintainers mailing list pkg-java-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-java-maintainers
Bug#526489: eclipse: should this package be orphaned?
I completely agree with Ana, this package needs new fresh blood to maintain it. I repromised myself (some time ago) to give it some love, but I didn't managed to have time to. IMO this should be orphaned, and let another team aggregate to maintain it. Regards, -- Sandro Tosi (aka morph, morpheus, matrixhasu) My website: http://matrixhasu.altervista.org/ Me at Debian: http://wiki.debian.org/SandroTosi ___ pkg-java-maintainers mailing list pkg-java-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-java-maintainers
