Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-07-05 Thread Alessio Treglia
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/FFmpeg/Statement I'd like to send this to devel-announce by Tuesday, any objections? -- Alessio Treglia | www.alessiotreglia.com Debian Developer | ales...@debian.org Ubuntu Core Developer| quadris...@ubuntu.com 0416 0004

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-07-05 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
On 05.07.2015 11:04, Alessio Treglia wrote: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/FFmpeg/Statement I'd like to send this to devel-announce by Tuesday, any objections? Fine for me. Best regards, Andreas ___ pkg-multimedia-maintainers mailing

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-07-01 Thread Alessio Treglia
Shall we draft a brief public statement? https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/FFmpeg/Statement Cheers. -- Alessio Treglia | www.alessiotreglia.com Debian Developer | ales...@debian.org Ubuntu Core Developer| quadris...@ubuntu.com 0416 0004 A827 6E40 BB98 90FB

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-07-01 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Alessio, On 01.07.2015 20:05, Alessio Treglia wrote: Shall we draft a brief public statement? https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/FFmpeg/Statement What do you think about the following? --- After a careful review of all the pros and cons we have finally decided to switch from

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-07-01 Thread Alessio Treglia
On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com wrote: What do you think about the following? Fine to me, please do edit the wiki page! We'll let others review it then. -- Alessio Treglia | www.alessiotreglia.com Debian Developer |

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-07-01 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
On 01.07.2015 20:54, Alessio Treglia wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com wrote: What do you think about the following? Fine to me, please do edit the wiki page! We'll let others review it then. OK, done. Best regards, Andreas

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-29 Thread Matteo F. Vescovi
Hi! On 2015-06-29 at 13:16 (CEST), Alessio Treglia wrote: [...] It must also be noted that Matteo F. Vescovi (namely the blender most's active human maintainer) said that he would second a switch to FFmpeg too [1] - that was at least my interpretation, Matteo please correct me, if I am

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-29 Thread Alessio Treglia
Hi again, On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 12:16 PM, Alessio Treglia ales...@debian.org wrote: Two votes for Libav: Jonas [8] and Alessio [9]. I've forgotten to clarify that FWIW, despite of my vote in favor of libav, I am not in a strong opposition against the switch over. Cheers. -- Alessio

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-29 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Alessio, On 29.06.2015 13:16, Alessio Treglia wrote: I think it's time to wrap all this up and share our opinion with the rest of the Debian project. Fine for me. [...] I understand that FFmpeg's current uploaders would also continue to maintain FFmpeg under the Multimedia team's

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-28 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi, On 28.06.2015 06:24, Bálint Réczey wrote: I have prepared the upload for gpac in git which fixes the FTBFS for both Libav and FFmpeg. Alessio or I will upload it. Thanks. The other reverse deps are there for refence only. They are broken for reasons not related to this transition which

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-28 Thread Reinhard Tartler
On Thu, Jun 18, 2015, 7:15 PM Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, On 18.06.2015 18:57, Bálint Réczey wrote: 2015-06-09 21:53 GMT+02:00 Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com: I have now implemented this and it works fine. It's in the extra branch of the

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-28 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Reinhard, On 28.06.2015 21:56, Reinhard Tartler wrote: It seems that you have now reimplemented the flavors logic in the ffmpeg package. Yes. Nice. Well, I'd call it a necessary evil, needed until runtime cpu detection works for altivec and FFmpeg has a native nb/wb AMR encoder. The

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-27 Thread Bálint Réczey
Hi, 2015-06-23 13:59 GMT-07:00 Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com: Hi Matteo, On 23.06.2015 21:51, Matteo F. Vescovi wrote: On 2015-06-23 at 17:56 (CEST), Bálint Réczey wrote: [...] Is there anything left to be fixed before we can start the transition? Yes, the total

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-24 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi, On 23.06.2015 18:07, Alessio Treglia wrote: We are then migrating away from libav, I've created an experimental ffmpeg branch [1] with the changes for the transition. Comments/testing/review are welcome. ;) Best regards, Andreas 1:

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-23 Thread Bálint Réczey
Hi All, 2015-06-21 12:24 GMT-07:00 Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com: Hi Reinhard, On 19.06.2015 23:50, Reinhard Tartler wrote: On Jun 18, 2015 7:15 PM, Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com wrote: The altivec optimizations on powerpc are still disabled, but I

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-23 Thread Alessio Treglia
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Bálint Réczey bal...@balintreczey.hu wrote: Andreas changed packaging to ship the altivec flavor, too, until runtime CPU detection is fixed. Is there anything left to be fixed before we can start the transition? Please give people few more days to speak up, I'd

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-23 Thread Matteo F. Vescovi
Hi! On 2015-06-23 at 18:07 (CEST), Alessio Treglia wrote: [...] Team, We are then migrating away from libav, if you don't think this is the right thing to do or intend to propose alternatives, just speak up right now. Blender (my main package involved in libav/ffmpeg fight) has been

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-23 Thread Matteo F. Vescovi
Hi! On 2015-06-23 at 17:56 (CEST), Bálint Réczey wrote: [...] Is there anything left to be fixed before we can start the transition? Yes, the total disappearance of FTBFS in [1]. If I was a Release Team member, I wouldn't allow anything to happen before all that mess is fixed. Feel free to

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-23 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Matteo, On 23.06.2015 21:51, Matteo F. Vescovi wrote: On 2015-06-23 at 17:56 (CEST), Bálint Réczey wrote: [...] Is there anything left to be fixed before we can start the transition? Yes, the total disappearance of FTBFS in [1]. Most of those FTBFS are completely unrelated to this

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-21 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Reinhard, On 19.06.2015 23:50, Reinhard Tartler wrote: On Jun 18, 2015 7:15 PM, Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com wrote: The altivec optimizations on powerpc are still disabled, but I don't think this should delay the transition. I intend to fix this one way or another

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-21 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Andreas Cadhalpun (2015-06-21 14:24:43) On 19.06.2015 23:50, Reinhard Tartler wrote: On Jun 18, 2015 7:15 PM, Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com wrote: And currently FFmpeg 2.7 failed to build on ppc64 (due to changes in configure, fixed upstream) and sparc

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-21 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
On 21.06.2015 22:09, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: Quoting Andreas Cadhalpun (2015-06-21 14:24:43) Well, I have no intention of maintaining a pre-dh7-style debian/rules file. That pretty much settles the question for me. Then use a post-dh-style debian/rules file instead, as done with libav.

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-19 Thread Reinhard Tartler
On Jun 18, 2015 7:15 PM, Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, On 18.06.2015 18:57, Bálint Réczey wrote: 2015-06-09 21:53 GMT+02:00 Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com: I have now implemented this and it works fine. It's in the extra branch of the

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-18 Thread Bálint Réczey
Hi All, 2015-06-09 21:53 GMT+02:00 Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com: Hi IOhannes, On 09.06.2015 09:03, IOhannes m zmölnig (Debian/GNU) wrote: On 2015-06-09 06:35, Fabian Greffrath wrote: Am Dienstag, den 09.06.2015, 00:26 +0200 schrieb Andreas Cadhalpun: So one can just

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-18 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi, On 18.06.2015 18:57, Bálint Réczey wrote: 2015-06-09 21:53 GMT+02:00 Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com: I have now implemented this and it works fine. It's in the extra branch of the ffmpeg git repository [1]. I have tested the branch and it works nicely for me. Thanks

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-11 Thread Fabian Greffrath
Am Mittwoch, den 10.06.2015, 18:02 +0200 schrieb Andreas Cadhalpun: So I guess I'll wait until someone specifically asks for it. That's a good idea. In the libavcodec case the missing -extra package would be considered a regression, but in the libavformat case noone asked for smb support before.

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-10 Thread Fabian Greffrath
Am Dienstag, den 09.06.2015, 21:53 +0200 schrieb Andreas Cadhalpun: Or does someone also want a libavformat-extra flavor for the samba support? While you are at it... ;) No, seriously, I have no idea how usefull this is or if there is a demand for it. - Fabian signature.asc Description:

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-10 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
On 10.06.2015 10:17, Fabian Greffrath wrote: Am Dienstag, den 09.06.2015, 21:53 +0200 schrieb Andreas Cadhalpun: Or does someone also want a libavformat-extra flavor for the samba support? While you are at it... ;) It would be easy to add, ... No, seriously, I have no idea how usefull this

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-09 Thread Debian/GNU
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-06-09 06:35, Fabian Greffrath wrote: Hi Andreas, Am Dienstag, den 09.06.2015, 00:26 +0200 schrieb Andreas Cadhalpun: So one can just use two directories, first run configure in both (with the different options), then compile the

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-09 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi IOhannes, On 09.06.2015 09:03, IOhannes m zmölnig (Debian/GNU) wrote: On 2015-06-09 06:35, Fabian Greffrath wrote: Am Dienstag, den 09.06.2015, 00:26 +0200 schrieb Andreas Cadhalpun: So one can just use two directories, first run configure in both (with the different options), then

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-08 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Fabian, On 08.06.2015 11:18, Fabian Greffrath wrote: Am Sonntag, den 07.06.2015, 20:45 +0200 schrieb Andreas Cadhalpun: It seems it doesn't really work, because calling configure again causes make to rebuild everything. Actually only if one changes the configure arguments things get

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-08 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Reinhard, On 07.06.2015 22:08, Reinhard Tartler wrote: On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 3:05 PM, Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com mailto:andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com wrote: The problem I see is run-time linking a GPLv2-only program with a GPLv3+ library. I think this makes

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-08 Thread Fabian Greffrath
Hi Andreas, Am Dienstag, den 09.06.2015, 00:26 +0200 schrieb Andreas Cadhalpun: So one can just use two directories, first run configure in both (with the different options), then compile the GPLv2 variant, copy the object files (without allcodecs.o) to the GPLv3 folder, build the remaining

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-08 Thread Fabian Greffrath
Am Sonntag, den 07.06.2015, 20:45 +0200 schrieb Andreas Cadhalpun: It seems it doesn't really work, because calling configure again causes make to rebuild everything. That's somehow stupid, isn't it? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-07 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Bálint, On 07.06.2015 19:17, Bálint Réczey wrote: 2015-06-07 15:24 GMT+02:00 Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com: Hi Fabian, On 07.06.2015 14:39, Fabian Greffrath wrote: Am Samstag, den 06.06.2015, 21:29 +0200 schrieb Andreas Cadhalpun: Maybe we could even find a

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-07 Thread Bálint Réczey
Hi Andreas, 2015-06-06 21:29 GMT+02:00 Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com: Hi Bálint, On 06.06.2015 21:00, Bálint Réczey wrote: 2015-06-06 20:10 GMT+02:00 Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com: That's not how I interpret DFSG §1 [1]: 1. Free Redistribution

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-07 Thread Reinhard Tartler
On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 3:05 PM, Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Reinhard, On 06.06.2015 20:30, Reinhard Tartler wrote: On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Bálint Réczey bal...@balintreczey.hu wrote: The problem is that Debian users must be allowed to redistribute it,

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-07 Thread Bálint Réczey
Hi Andreas, 2015-06-07 15:24 GMT+02:00 Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com: Hi Fabian, On 07.06.2015 14:39, Fabian Greffrath wrote: Am Samstag, den 06.06.2015, 21:29 +0200 schrieb Andreas Cadhalpun: Maybe we could even find a reasonable way to implement this in a dh7-style

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-07 Thread Fabian Greffrath
Hi Andreas, Am Samstag, den 06.06.2015, 21:29 +0200 schrieb Andreas Cadhalpun: Maybe we could even find a reasonable way to implement this in a dh7-style debian/rules file without doubling the build-time. yes, most probably. I do strongly believe that it is not necessary to clean the source

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-07 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Bálint, On 07.06.2015 15:36, Bálint Réczey wrote: 2015-06-06 21:29 GMT+02:00 Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com: Maybe, but I don't really look forward to more legal discussions. (One reason to avoid the libavcodec-extra flavor.) Would you be willing to ask debian-legal

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-07 Thread Fabian Greffrath
Hi Reinhard, Am Mittwoch, den 03.06.2015, 20:32 -0400 schrieb Reinhard Tartler: I think the statistics indicate that the situation is much worse than I expected. Please keep in mind that because of the daily merges, all commits that are made in Libav also appear in FFmpeg, but not the other

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-07 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Fabian, On 07.06.2015 14:39, Fabian Greffrath wrote: Am Samstag, den 06.06.2015, 21:29 +0200 schrieb Andreas Cadhalpun: Maybe we could even find a reasonable way to implement this in a dh7-style debian/rules file without doubling the build-time. yes, most probably. I do strongly believe

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-06 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi, On 06.06.2015 02:01, Bálint Réczey wrote: GPL imposes no restrictions on _using_ software, but on distributing it without properly licensed source, i.e. distributing a binary compiled from GPLv3 source without also providing the source under GPLv3 is prohibited. Compiling hedgewars

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-06 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Reinhard, On 06.06.2015 02:07, Reinhard Tartler wrote: As you can see from above numbers, even in the uttermost worst case, that is if both Michael and the Libav developers stopped working on the codebase, FFmpeg would still have more commits than Libav currently does. Comparing an

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-06 Thread Bálint Réczey
Hi Andreas, 2015-06-06 19:15 GMT+02:00 Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com: Hi, On 06.06.2015 02:01, Bálint Réczey wrote: GPL imposes no restrictions on _using_ software, but on distributing it without properly licensed source, i.e. distributing a binary compiled from GPLv3

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-06 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Bálint, On 06.06.2015 19:51, Bálint Réczey wrote: 2015-06-06 19:15 GMT+02:00 Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com: On 06.06.2015 02:01, Bálint Réczey wrote: The problem is that Debian users must be allowed to redistribute it, but as far as I understand it, it is not allowed

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-06 Thread Bálint Réczey
Hi Andreas, 2015-06-06 20:10 GMT+02:00 Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com: Hi Bálint, On 06.06.2015 19:51, Bálint Réczey wrote: 2015-06-06 19:15 GMT+02:00 Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com: On 06.06.2015 02:01, Bálint Réczey wrote: The problem is that

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-06 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Reinhard, On 06.06.2015 20:30, Reinhard Tartler wrote: On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Bálint Réczey bal...@balintreczey.hu wrote: The problem is that Debian users must be allowed to redistribute it, but as far as I understand it, it is not allowed to distribute e.g. a live DVD with

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-06 Thread Bálint Réczey
Hi Reinhard, 2015-06-06 20:30 GMT+02:00 Reinhard Tartler siret...@gmail.com: On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Bálint Réczey bal...@balintreczey.hu wrote: ... I'm OK with disabling AMR encoder in ffmpeg and stay GPLv2 compatible with the packages since I have no packages requiring it nor

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-06 Thread Bálint Réczey
Hi Andreas, 2015-06-06 21:05 GMT+02:00 Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com: The current libav packaging already implements this in a way that the user can choose what packages to install. On a personal note: The libav packaging can surely be improved and simplified. But

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-06 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Bálint, On 06.06.2015 21:00, Bálint Réczey wrote: 2015-06-06 20:10 GMT+02:00 Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com: That's not how I interpret DFSG §1 [1]: 1. Free Redistribution The license of a Debian component may not restrict any party from selling or giving away the

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-06 Thread Reinhard Tartler
On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Bálint Réczey bal...@balintreczey.hu wrote: The problem is that Debian users must be allowed to redistribute it, but as far as I understand it, it is not allowed to distribute e.g. a live DVD with hedgewars and libavcodec-extra installed. I also pointed this out

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-05 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi, On 01.06.2015 17:06, Felipe Sateler wrote: You can check what /git/pkg-multimedia/setup-repository does. I would suggest to create the repository using that script, and then do: cd ffmpeg.git ; git fetch /git/collab-maint/ffmpeg.git I had to specify all branches explicitly

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-05 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Bálint, On 05.06.2015 17:25, Bálint Réczey wrote: 2015-06-05 0:28 GMT+02:00 Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com: ... That's not only because of optimization, but also for licensing issues: The lib*-extra-* packages are licensed with GPLv3+, which is not acceptable for the

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-05 Thread Reinhard Tartler
[short answer, I'm on the run] On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com wrote: I had considered producing optimized flavors, but I came to the conclusion that it would complicate debian/rules without much benefit, because the flavors are mostly

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-05 Thread Bálint Réczey
Hi Andreas, 2015-06-05 17:53 GMT+02:00 Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com: Hi Bálint, On 05.06.2015 17:25, Bálint Réczey wrote: 2015-06-05 0:28 GMT+02:00 Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com: ... That's not only because of optimization, but also for licensing

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-04 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Reinhard, On 04.06.2015 02:32, Reinhard Tartler wrote: On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com wrote: and would rather propose to just rename the current libav source package to ffmpeg and package the latest ffmpeg source tarball. Then that

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-03 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Stuart, On 03.06.2015 11:14, Stuart Prescott wrote: 1: https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/libav-provider/ffmpeg thanks for this -- it's good to see a summary of where we are. It would be good if you also include information on: Thanks for the feedback. * the API stability promise of

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-03 Thread Reinhard Tartler
On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com wrote: and would rather propose to just rename the current libav source package to ffmpeg and package the latest ffmpeg source tarball. Then that ffmpeg source package would take over the binary package names

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-03 Thread Stuart Prescott
Hi Andreas, 1: https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/libav-provider/ffmpeg thanks for this -- it's good to see a summary of where we are. It would be good if you also include information on: * the API stability promise of upstream (do we need a library transition each time a minor update is

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-02 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Alessio, On 01.06.2015 18:14, Alessio Treglia wrote: On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com wrote: I hope creating these wiki pages won't delay the switch. And it'll save me from having to explain my point of view another time, because I can

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-01 Thread Alessio Treglia
On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: No, neither the new input in the past couple weeks nor repition of old input have made me change opinion on the matter. Not mine, either. However, It seems pretty clear to me that the majority of those people who kindly

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-01 Thread Alessio Treglia
On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com wrote: What about the git hooks sending the commit mails to the list? I can't imaging it'll just work, or will it? Ah, nice catch. I haven't played too much with the hooks, that's why I'd feel more comfortable

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-01 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Felipe, On 01.06.2015 17:06, Felipe Sateler wrote: On 1 June 2015 at 12:00, Andreas Cadhalpun What about the git hooks sending the commit mails to the list? I can't imaging it'll just work, or will it? You can check what /git/pkg-multimedia/setup-repository does. Ah, thanks for the

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-01 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Bálint, On 01.06.2015 17:57, Bálint Réczey wrote: 2015-06-01 17:45 GMT+02:00 Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com: I think having the arguments on the wiki isn't such a bad idea, because reading a long mailing list thread (where the arguments tend to go around in circles)

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-01 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Bálint, On 01.06.2015 17:37, Bálint Réczey wrote: 2015-06-01 15:33 GMT+02:00 Sebastian Ramacher sramac...@debian.org: On 2015-05-30 17:54:46, Reinhard Tartler wrote: - Sebastian, you made the most recent uploads of the Libav package where I handed off upstream releases to you, but I don't

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-01 Thread Bálint Réczey
Hi Andreas, 2015-06-01 17:45 GMT+02:00 Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com: Hi Bálint, On 01.06.2015 17:37, Bálint Réczey wrote: 2015-06-01 15:33 GMT+02:00 Sebastian Ramacher sramac...@debian.org: On 2015-05-30 17:54:46, Reinhard Tartler wrote: - Sebastian, you made the most

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-01 Thread Sebastian Ramacher
On 2015-06-01 17:29:13, Sebastian Ramacher wrote: Hi Andreas On 2015-06-01 16:59:13, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: On 01.06.2015 15:33, Sebastian Ramacher wrote: On 2015-05-30 17:54:46, Reinhard Tartler wrote: - Sebastian, you made the most recent uploads of the Libav package where I

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-01 Thread Bálint Réczey
2015-06-01 17:37 GMT+02:00 Bálint Réczey bal...@balintreczey.hu: Hi Sebastian, 2015-06-01 15:33 GMT+02:00 Sebastian Ramacher sramac...@debian.org: On 2015-05-30 17:54:46, Reinhard Tartler wrote: - Sebastian, you made the most recent uploads of the Libav package where I handed off upstream

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-01 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Sebastian, On 01.06.2015 17:29, Sebastian Ramacher wrote: On 2015-06-01 16:59:13, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: If you tell me where and how, I can put my arguments on a wiki page. I've created [1]. [2] and [3] can be used to list arguments for libav respectively ffmpeg. [1]

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-01 Thread Alessio Treglia
On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com wrote: I hope creating these wiki pages won't delay the switch. And it'll save me from having to explain my point of view another time, because I can just point to the wiki. We should have created such pages

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-01 Thread Sebastian Ramacher
Hi Bálint On 2015-06-01 17:37:36, Bálint Réczey wrote: 2015-06-01 15:33 GMT+02:00 Sebastian Ramacher sramac...@debian.org: On 2015-05-30 17:54:46, Reinhard Tartler wrote: - Sebastian, you made the most recent uploads of the Libav package where I handed off upstream releases to you, but I

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-01 Thread Sebastian Ramacher
Hi Andreas On 2015-06-01 16:59:13, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: On 01.06.2015 15:33, Sebastian Ramacher wrote: On 2015-05-30 17:54:46, Reinhard Tartler wrote: - Sebastian, you made the most recent uploads of the Libav package where I handed off upstream releases to you, but I don't recall you

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-01 Thread Felipe Sateler
On 1 June 2015 at 12:00, Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Alessio (and all others who were quick to reply :), On 01.06.2015 16:58, Alessio Treglia wrote: On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 3:54 PM, umläute zmoel...@umlaeute.mur.at wrote: On 2015-06-01 16:49, Andreas Cadhalpun

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-01 Thread Sebastian Ramacher
On 2015-05-31 13:21:07, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: I'd rather keep the packaging of the package that is currently called libav, because on many architectures, it compiles multiple flavors with hardware optimized flavors (on i386 for instance, there is a flavor without latest SEE, etc). I

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-01 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Sebastian, On 01.06.2015 17:18, Sebastian Ramacher wrote: On 2015-05-31 13:21:07, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: I'd rather keep the packaging of the package that is currently called libav, because on many architectures, it compiles multiple flavors with hardware optimized flavors (on i386 for

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-01 Thread Alessio Treglia
On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 3:54 PM, umläute zmoel...@umlaeute.mur.at wrote: On 2015-06-01 16:49, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: Does someone know what would be the best way to move the repository? $ cd /git/collab-maint $ mv ffmpeg.git /etc/pkg-multimedia $ ln -s /etc/pkg-multimedia/ffmpeg.git .

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-01 Thread Alessio Treglia
On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Andreas Cadhalpun andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com wrote: Does someone know what would be the best way to move the repository? Just move the directory? Or add a new remote and push everything to it. I'd also suggest to ask for the removal of the old one - to save

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-01 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Alessio (and all others who were quick to reply :), On 01.06.2015 16:58, Alessio Treglia wrote: On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 3:54 PM, umläute zmoel...@umlaeute.mur.at wrote: On 2015-06-01 16:49, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: Does someone know what would be the best way to move the repository? $ cd

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-01 Thread Sebastian Ramacher
On 2015-05-30 17:54:46, Reinhard Tartler wrote: - Sebastian, you made the most recent uploads of the Libav package where I handed off upstream releases to you, but I don't recall you participating in this thread. I also know that you have been interacting with Libav upstream in the past. I'd

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-01 Thread umläute
On 2015-06-01 16:49, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: Does someone know what would be the best way to move the repository? $ cd /git/collab-maint $ mv ffmpeg.git /etc/pkg-multimedia $ ln -s /etc/pkg-multimedia/ffmpeg.git . should I do it? fgasdr IOhannes

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-01 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Alessio, On 01.06.2015 08:49, Alessio Treglia wrote: On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: No, neither the new input in the past couple weeks nor repition of old input have made me change opinion on the matter. Not mine, either. However, It seems

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-01 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Sebastian, On 01.06.2015 15:33, Sebastian Ramacher wrote: On 2015-05-30 17:54:46, Reinhard Tartler wrote: - Sebastian, you made the most recent uploads of the Libav package where I handed off upstream releases to you, but I don't recall you participating in this thread. I also know that

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-06-01 Thread Fabian Greffrath
Am Montag, den 01.06.2015, 16:49 +0200 schrieb Andreas Cadhalpun: Does someone know what would be the best way to move the repository? Don't know of this is the best way, but it's the hard way. ssh git.debian.org cd /srv/git.debian.org/git mv collab-maint/ffmpeg.git pkg-multimedia ln -s

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-05-31 Thread Fabian Greffrath
Dear Reinhard, Am Samstag, den 30.05.2015, 17:54 -0400 schrieb Reinhard Tartler: - Fabian, you were counted as in favor of switching to FFmpeg. In the light of the most recent posting from Andreas, the mails that Balint kindly forwarded, and my thoughts, would you approve and support moving

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-05-31 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Reinhard, On 30.05.2015 23:54, Reinhard Tartler wrote: On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 9:16 AM, Bálint Réczey bal...@balintreczey.hu wrote: Andeas already proposed a transition plan [1] and already submitted several bugs. If we decide to switch to ffmpeg, I think this is the best proposal so far.

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-05-31 Thread Alessio Treglia
On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Bálint Réczey bal...@balintreczey.hu wrote: 2015-05-30 23:54 GMT+02:00 Reinhard Tartler siret...@gmail.com: Where is Reinhard's original mail? I can't find it. -- Alessio Treglia | www.alessiotreglia.com Debian Developer |

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-05-31 Thread Bálint Réczey
2015-05-30 23:54 GMT+02:00 Reinhard Tartler siret...@gmail.com: ... I'd rather keep the packaging of the package that is currently called libav, because on many architectures, it compiles multiple flavors with hardware optimized flavors (on i386 for instance, there is a flavor without latest

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-05-31 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
[CC'ed are the maintainers of reverse (build-)dependencies. Please reply only to pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org. If you're interested in this discussion, consider subscribing that list.] Hi, On 29.04.2015 20:56, Alessio Treglia wrote: I am afraid that I have to revive this

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-05-31 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Reinhard Tartler (2015-05-30 23:54:46) - Jonas Allessio, Balint counted both of you as in favor of Libav. Did your opinion/impression change in the last couple of weeks? No, neither the new input in the past couple weeks nor repition of old input have made me change opinion on the

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-05-30 Thread Reinhard Tartler
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 9:16 AM, Bálint Réczey bal...@balintreczey.hu wrote: Hi Dmitry, 2015-05-29 12:22 GMT+02:00 Dmitry Smirnov only...@debian.org: Thanks for insight into upstream security situation, Balint. So what would be the next step? Mass bug filings? Shall we draft a template

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-05-29 Thread Alessio Treglia
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Dmitry Smirnov only...@debian.org wrote: Thanks for insight into upstream security situation, Balint. So what would be the next step? Mass bug filings? Shall we draft a template here? Wait for Reinhard to come back up with news from libav side. Then, if

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-05-29 Thread Dmitry Smirnov
Thanks for insight into upstream security situation, Balint. So what would be the next step? Mass bug filings? Shall we draft a template here? -- All the best, Dmitry Smirnov --- It is a fine thing to be honest, but it is also very important to be right. -- Winston Churchill

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-05-29 Thread Bálint Réczey
Hi Dmitry, 2015-05-29 12:22 GMT+02:00 Dmitry Smirnov only...@debian.org: Thanks for insight into upstream security situation, Balint. So what would be the next step? Mass bug filings? Shall we draft a template here? Andeas already proposed a transition plan [1] and already submitted several

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-05-27 Thread Balint Reczey
On 05/24/2015 07:13 PM, Bálint Réczey wrote: Hi All, I have contacted Moritz asking him to share his opinion regarding FFmpeg/Libav. He is not on the list thus asked me to forward his email. Moritz also suggested asking Mateusz Jurczyk. Please see his email: On 05/27/2015 08:21 PM, Mateusz

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-05-27 Thread Fabian Greffrath
Am Mittwoch, den 27.05.2015, 22:01 +0200 schrieb Balint Reczey: Moritz also suggested asking Mateusz Jurczyk. Please see his email: This was very insightful, thank you! - Fabian signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-05-24 Thread Bálint Réczey
Hi All, I have contacted Moritz asking him to share his opinion regarding FFmpeg/Libav. He is not on the list thus asked me to forward his email. Please see his answer inline. 2015-05-18 15:11 GMT+02:00 Alessandro Ghedini gh...@debian.org: On lun, mag 18, 2015 at 01:47:25 +0100, Alessio Treglia

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-05-19 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Dmitry Smirnov (2015-05-19 14:40:51) On Mon, 18 May 2015 16:05:11 Jonas Smedegaard wrote: How would they not be relevant? They recommend users to use ffmpeg and list examples of problems they may encounter if they decide to use mpv with libav (problems that are regularly reported as

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-05-19 Thread Dmitry Smirnov
On Mon, 18 May 2015 12:16:32 Reinhard Tartler wrote: Interestingly Gentoo recently switched to FFmpeg by default [3] after conducting a survey [4]. About 300 people participated in that survey and the outcome was rather clear: It saddens me to see people organizing votes where people

Re: Select provider of libav* libraries

2015-05-19 Thread Dmitry Smirnov
On Mon, 18 May 2015 16:05:11 Jonas Smedegaard wrote: How would they not be relevant? They recommend users to use ffmpeg and list examples of problems they may encounter if they decide to use mpv with libav (problems that are regularly reported as mpv bugs). Because a) it is not a

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