Re: ff3

2008-12-26 Thread frantisek holop
hmm, on Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 04:52:36PM -0600, Abel Camarillo said that I am trying opera and I am amazed by the performance, it's considerably faster than ff3, and I have no more those tremendous lags disturbing me. I was stucked with ff3 for the `vimperator' but I found a little plugin

Re: ff3

2008-12-13 Thread frantisek holop
otherwise - even faster than ff3 on my faster work box). on my eeepc ff3 doesnt feel much faster but it sure plugs numerous memory leaks over ff2. but it's slooow, especially with js sites like gmail. but get this. if you have a slow (like the eee) machine, why not give opera a try? yes, even

Re: ff3

2008-12-13 Thread Abel Camarillo
over to konqueror again, which is fast even though I don't use kde otherwise - even faster than ff3 on my faster work box). but get this. if you have a slow (like the eee) machine, why not give opera a try? yes, even in linux emulation it beats ff{2,3} hands down absolutely. it takes

Re: ff3

2008-12-10 Thread Christian Weisgerber
Brad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The immediate problem is not FF3 but Pango (devel/pango). The ABI changes from time to time for Pango and that requires that that modules list and most likely the aliases list in /etc/pango be up to date with what is in /usr/local/share/examples/pango

Re: ff3

2008-12-10 Thread Marco Peereboom
... On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 04:12:29PM +, Christian Weisgerber wrote: Brad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The immediate problem is not FF3 but Pango (devel/pango). The ABI changes from time to time for Pango and that requires that that modules list and most likely the aliases list in /etc

Re: ff3

2008-12-10 Thread Mattieu Baptiste
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right because I would totally touch a random directory that I don't even know what it is for. You guys crack me up with this attitude. I am blaming myself though; for bringing up issues to ports attention. Certainly

Re: ff3

2008-12-10 Thread Jacob Meuser
it was a problem with ff3. it's one thing to say, hey guys, something is broken here. this isn't my area, can you help me? please, quickly?, and revert this broken crap. we keep old shit all the time. not only is this broken, it just sucks. especially when your example of older software is totally

Re: ff3

2008-12-10 Thread Steve Shockley
On 12/10/2008 12:36 PM, Marco Peereboom wrote: Right because I would totally touch a random directory that I don't even know what it is for. You guys crack me up with this attitude. Please read http://openbsd.org/report.html, the first paragraph under How to create a problem report.

Re: ff3

2008-12-10 Thread Brandon Mercer
Die thread die! On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Steve Shockley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/10/2008 12:36 PM, Marco Peereboom wrote: Right because I would totally touch a random directory that I don't even know what it is for. You guys crack me up with this attitude. Please read

Re: ff3

2008-12-10 Thread Brad
On Wednesday 10 December 2008 11:12:29 Christian Weisgerber wrote: Brad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The immediate problem is not FF3 but Pango (devel/pango). The ABI changes from time to time for Pango and that requires that that modules list and most likely the aliases list in /etc/pango

Re: ff3

2008-12-10 Thread Brad
again. Damnit I promised myself to not read this thread anymore... I am definitely not trying to blame you. I'm just trying to dig into the problem and figure out the root cause. FF3 itself is definitely not the problem and the few issues you mentioned in the past such as FF3 crashing with HTTPS

Re: ff3

2008-12-08 Thread Marc Balmer
pkg_add -ui to update. Not a single problem, not whil installing, not while using. I'd even say that FF3 is a wee bit faster. On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 12:55:24AM +, Jacob Meuser wrote: On Sun, Dec 07, 2008 at 06:24:54PM -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote: PS: Not so good an idea to keep ff2 when

Re: ff3

2008-12-08 Thread Otto Moerbeek
? Just for the record: I built the package last night and used pkg_add -ui to update. Not a single problem, not whil installing, not while using. I'd even say that FF3 is a wee bit faster. In my experience it is indeed, it also is less greedy wrt memory. And no trouble upgrading. I think

Re: ff3

2008-12-08 Thread patrick keshishian
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 11:43 PM, Jacob Meuser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what does morph OpenBSD into linux mean? What I meant by that comment is that, I used to enjoy the fact that if I didn't want gnome, dbus, cups, python, samba, mysql, postgresql, qt[34], etc on my system, I had FLAVORS that

Re: ff3

2008-12-08 Thread Marc Balmer
* patrick keshishian wrote: On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 11:43 PM, Jacob Meuser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what does morph OpenBSD into linux mean? What I meant by that comment is that, I used to enjoy the fact that if I didn't want gnome, dbus, cups, python, samba, mysql, postgresql, qt[34], etc

Re: ff3

2008-12-08 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2008/12/08 10:18, Marc Balmer wrote: * patrick keshishian wrote: On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 11:43 PM, Jacob Meuser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what does morph OpenBSD into linux mean? What I meant by that comment is that, I used to enjoy the fact that if I didn't want gnome, dbus, cups,

Re: ff3

2008-12-08 Thread patrick keshishian
Now, i manually tweak ports to cut the crud out. feel free, it's your system. really? don't mind if i do. other people make different decisions about the value of disk space vs their time. you seem to simply equate the crud i speak of as taking up disk-space. you conveniently forget the

Re: ff3

2008-12-08 Thread Christian Weisgerber
Hannah Schroeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remove/backup and rename your old profile directory and make a new one (you can import your bookmarks later). Then it works (at least for me). Nice knee-jerk response, but I tested taking the existing configuration from ff2 to ff3 (and in fact going

Re: ff3

2008-12-08 Thread Hannah Schroeter
tested taking the existing configuration from ff2 to ff3 (and in fact going back and forth between them) and it worked just fine. Cool that it worked for you. For me it wasn't that smooth so I did what I described. Kind regards, Hannah.

Re: ff3

2008-12-08 Thread Hannah Schroeter
for the record: I built the package last night and used pkg_add -ui to update. Not a single problem, not whil installing, not while using. I'd even say that FF3 is a wee bit faster. That's my experience too. Sometimes still a little bit unstable, but then, ff2 wasn't rock stable either (and konqueror

Re: ff3

2008-12-08 Thread Marc Balmer
). Nice knee-jerk response, but I tested taking the existing configuration from ff2 to ff3 (and in fact going back and forth between them) and it worked just fine. Cool that it worked for you. For me it wasn't that smooth so I did what I described. It worked for me as well. I did not have

Re: ff3

2008-12-08 Thread Darrin Chandler
tested taking the existing configuration from ff2 to ff3 (and in fact going back and forth between them) and it worked just fine. That doesn't really show anything, since your config wasn't the one having the problem. I've upgraded FF many, many times and almost never encountered problems. Heck, I

Re: ff3

2008-12-08 Thread Ryan Freeman
). Then it works (at least for me). Nice knee-jerk response, but I tested taking the existing configuration from ff2 to ff3 (and in fact going back and forth between them) and it worked just fine. this isn't a reply to any specific person, but due to the amount of noise this is generating

Re: ff3

2008-12-08 Thread Brad
On Sunday 07 December 2008 15:12:16 Marco Peereboom wrote: I did my customary pkg_add -ui and to my total shock firefox went from 2.x to 3.x. Not so shocking was that ff3 doesn't work after the update. I want to make a plead to keep 2.x around. ff3 uses even more resources than ff2

Re: ff3

2008-12-08 Thread Jacob Meuser
directory and make a new one (you can import your bookmarks later). Then it works (at least for me). Nice knee-jerk response, but I tested taking the existing configuration from ff2 to ff3 (and in fact going back and forth between them) and it worked just fine. this isn't a reply

Re: ff3

2008-12-08 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 02:28:06AM -0800, patrick keshishian wrote: Now, i manually tweak ports to cut the crud out. feel free, it's your system. really? don't mind if i do. good, everyone's happy :) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org

Re: ff3

2008-12-08 Thread Jacob Meuser
it rest though since it seems that no one gives a shit; why should I care? Just for the record: I built the package last night and used pkg_add -ui to update. Not a single problem, not whil installing, not while using. I'd even say that FF3 is a wee bit faster. In my experience

Re: ff3

2008-12-08 Thread Chris Kuethe
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 6:15 PM, Jacob Meuser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-portsm=121371736513764w=2 is it really surprising that someone who twists knobs ended up with problems? i think marco has a point there. when was the last time you ran a plugin for flash,

Re: ff3

2008-12-08 Thread Brad
there. when was the last time you ran a plugin for flash, quicktime, vrml or whatever the crappy-format-of-the-month is? and how about on sparc64? having firefox complain about missing plugins that will never exist does no one any good. oh well. its not a problem with FF3. -- This message has

ff3

2008-12-07 Thread Marco Peereboom
I did my customary pkg_add -ui and to my total shock firefox went from 2.x to 3.x. Not so shocking was that ff3 doesn't work after the update. I want to make a plead to keep 2.x around. ff3 uses even more resources than ff2 and it is impractical for my ultra-portable laptop (as an example

Re: ff3

2008-12-07 Thread Hannah Schroeter
Hi! On Sun, Dec 07, 2008 at 02:12:16PM -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote: [...] This change should be reverted. Here is the output on vanilla i386 after the pkg_add -ui: PS: Not so good an idea to keep ff2 when there'll be no fixes any more, not even security fixes, from upstream. Kind regards,

Re: ff3

2008-12-07 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Sun, Dec 07, 2008 at 06:24:54PM -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote: PS: Not so good an idea to keep ff2 when there'll be no fixes any more, not even security fixes, from upstream. Really? then i think we should stop using gcc 2 as well and the other countless packages that are no longer

Re: ff3

2008-12-07 Thread Marco Peereboom
No. But we are better than this. Since when is it ok that pkg_add -ui screws up? Are we turning into debian? I'll let it rest though since it seems that no one gives a shit; why should I care? On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 12:55:24AM +, Jacob Meuser wrote: On Sun, Dec 07, 2008 at 06:24:54PM

Re: ff3

2008-12-07 Thread Predrag Punosevac
Marco, I deeply respect your work so I hate to see you losing your nerves over idiotic web-browser. FF is not fixable. FF2 was supposed to fix FF1 but was even worse. FF3 is supposed to fix FF2 but as we all know it didn't. I actually put some thinking into the issue of the web-browser. In mine

Re: ff3

2008-12-07 Thread patrick keshishian
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But we are better than this. Since when is it ok that pkg_add -ui screws up? Are we turning into debian? i relate, as I'm sure others (maybe not many) do as well. I'll let it rest though since it seems that no one

Re: ff3

2008-12-07 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Sun, Dec 07, 2008 at 06:55:02PM -0800, patrick keshishian wrote: On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But we are better than this. Since when is it ok that pkg_add -ui screws up? Are we turning into debian? i relate, as I'm sure others (maybe not

Re: ff3

2008-12-07 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Sun, Dec 07, 2008 at 07:09:21PM -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote: No. But we are better than this. Since when is it ok that pkg_add -ui screws up? Are we turning into debian? I'll let it rest though since it seems that no one gives a shit; why should I care? I give a shit about martynas

Re: ff3

2008-12-07 Thread patrick keshishian
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Jacob Meuser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mozilla is no longer maintaining mozilla. take your bitches to them. unless you are going to maintain mozilla 2.x branch, of course. I wasn't the original person bitching about ff2/ff3. and, you seem to have missed

Re: ff3

2008-12-07 Thread Jacob Meuser
the original person bitching about ff2/ff3. and, you seem to have missed the point made by another user, who pointed out the fact there are many ports that are no longer maintained upstream that happily exist in ports. because someone is maintaining them. all I am saying is if you want something, make

Re: FF 2 || FF3?

2008-07-17 Thread Brynet
Hi Sebastian, It would seem they updated the port to 2.0.0.16 today. Hope that helps.