[issue20285] Improve object.__doc__ and help(object) output

Cheryl Sabella added the comment: New changeset c95c93d4eb0519beaa06e6b6e0ecca7c2a58f69c by Cheryl Sabella in branch 'master': bpo-20285: Improve help docs for object (GH-4759) https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/c95c93d4eb0519beaa06e6b6e0ecca7c2a58f69c --

[issue20285] Improve object.__doc__ and help(object) output

Change by Cheryl Sabella : -- resolution: -> fixed stage: commit review -> resolved status: open -> closed ___ Python tracker ___

[issue20285] Improve object.__doc__ and help(object) output

Terry J. Reedy added the comment: Reponses on the pydev thread, which include 3 other coredevs: "a base for all classes." object entry in lib ref, function "the ultimate base class of all other classes." Martin Panter object is neither a base or superclass of itself, so the

[issue20285] Improve object.__doc__ and help(object) output

R. David Murray added the comment: If you want to be precise you could say "The last class in every __mro__ list." -- nosy: +r.david.murray ___ Python tracker

[issue20285] Improve object.__doc__ and help(object) output

Terry J. Reedy added the comment: I posted "Is object the most base type? (bpo-20285)" on pydev. -- ___ Python tracker ___

[issue20285] Improve object.__doc__ and help(object) output

Terry J. Reedy added the comment: Since this modifies the output of a library module function for a specific input, I will not backport unless and until there is agreement on doing so. -- versions: -Python 3.6, Python 3.7 ___

[issue20285] Improve object.__doc__ and help(object) output

Serhiy Storchaka added the comment: It is better to ask Guido or other language expert. -- ___ Python tracker ___

[issue20285] Improve object.__doc__ and help(object) output

Change by Terry J. Reedy : -- assignee: docs@python -> terry.reedy components: +Library (Lib) stage: patch review -> commit review versions: +Python 3.6, Python 3.8 ___ Python tracker

[issue20285] Improve object.__doc__ and help(object) output

Terry J. Reedy added the comment: How about "The starting base class of all types and classes other than itself." (Object.__bases__ = ().) -- ___ Python tracker

[issue20285] Improve object.__doc__ and help(object) output

Serhiy Storchaka added the comment: "Python class" can be read as a user type defined in Python (usually with the "class" statement). The term "class" in the glossary is used with this meaning in contrary to the term "type" which means also builtin and extension

[issue20285] Improve object.__doc__ and help(object) output

Terry J. Reedy added the comment: After looking at https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/base I can explain better why 'most base class' is wrong, and felt wrong to participants in the python-list thread. 'Base' is actually two words. As a noun (or verb), it comes from Ancient

[issue20285] Improve object.__doc__ and help(object) output

Cheryl Sabella added the comment: Hi Terry, I've submitted a PR for this. Thanks! -- nosy: +csabella ___ Python tracker ___

[issue20285] Improve object.__doc__ and help(object) output

Change by Cheryl Sabella : -- keywords: +patch pull_requests: +4662 stage: test needed -> patch review ___ Python tracker ___

[issue20285] Improve object.__doc__ and help(object) output

Change by Cheryl Sabella : -- assignee: -> docs@python components: +Documentation nosy: +docs@python versions: +Python 3.7 -Python 2.7, Python 3.3, Python 3.4 ___ Python tracker

[issue20285] Improve object.__doc__ and help(object) output

Changes by Martin Panter vadmium...@gmail.com: -- nosy: +vadmium ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue20285 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list

[issue20285] Improve object.__doc__ and help(object) output

Terry J. Reedy added the comment: On python-list, Jean-Michel Pichavant pointed out that the status of object is different in 2.7. 'for new-style classes' would have to be added. 2.7 currently has the same output, but the meaning is slightly different as type and class are slightly different

[issue20285] Improve object.__doc__ and help(object) output

Terry J. Reedy added the comment: Rather, 'all classes' should be 'all new-style classes'. -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue20285 ___

[issue20285] Improve object.__doc__ and help(object) output

New submission from Terry J. Reedy: object.__doc__ 'The most base type' Since 'most base' can be interpreted as 'least desireable', several people on Python list (2013 Dec, interactive help on the base object) agree that this should be improved. Even is 'most base' is interpreted as a