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STINNER Victor added the comment: I close the issue. Thanks for the constructive discussion and I hope that more and more downstream patches will be merged in Python upstream ;-) -- resolution: -> not a bug stage: patch review -> resolved status: open -> closed

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STINNER Victor added the comment: Gaige B Paulsen offered to set up a SmartOS (Illumos-derived) buildbot: https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-buildb...@python.org/thread/7HGPHD3WZG6V6NVP6EGQO6NHZ3DAPPXN/ -- ___ Python tracker

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STINNER Victor added the comment: This issue title is "Drop Solaris support". I no longer plan to drop Solaris support. I suggest to open new issues and continue the discussion there. -- ___ Python tracker

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STINNER Victor added the comment: Copy of my email sent to python-dev. https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-...@python.org/message/46UUJ4J5YLCWF2JQMC5L7OIYG6PNQLRL/ Since I created the issue and the PR, and sent this email to python-dev (one week ago), many Solaris and Solaris-like

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Raymond Hettinger added the comment: Victor, are you going to close the PR? -- ___ Python tracker ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing

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Terry J. Reedy added the comment: People interested in helping Solaris issues should see my post above, msg380006. Issue #35455, about thread time on Solaris, with a simple but non-trivial patch, was just closed as fixed after reviews from 2 coredevs and a 3rd person. I presume Victor will

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Gordon Ross added the comment: I can understand the frustrations around dealing with minority platforms, but please remember that the illumos project (www.illumos.org) is basically the inheritor of problems around "Build on Solaris" for 3rd party software like Python. There are several OS

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Jakub Kulik added the comment: Thanks Andy, good to know we are seeing the same issue! We tried to fix sendfile differences in Python code before as well, but as you said, it was never 100% solved. Recently we finally fixed it in C and it was accepted (https://bugs.python.org/issue41687)

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Andy Fiddaman added the comment: Jakub's results looks very familiar to me, having been working on python 3.9 on illumos. For OmniOS, we currently skip these tests via --ignorefile: # wchar_t related failures *.test_re.ReTests.test_locale_compiled *.test_re.ReTests.test_locale_caching #

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John Gardner added the comment: Don't remove, it is still actively used by so many people. If the maintance overhead of 700 lines is a large burdern, then I'm happy to take on whatever work is required for it. -- nosy: +jgardner100 ___ Python

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Jakub Kulik added the comment: I ran the test and the results are attached (the first one is a complete test and the other one failed tests in verbose mode). I checked the failing tests and divided them into several groups: issues already reported: test_asyncio - reported and being solved

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Change by Jakub Kulik : Added file: https://bugs.python.org/file49559/Oracle_Solaris_detailed_test.txt ___ Python tracker ___ ___

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Apostolos Syropoulos added the comment: I think this is really a bad idea. I am using OpenIndiana in my classrooms and I teach Python! So if your drop Solaris support, it means I have to install a new supported OS on my many systems, to learn and teach many things, etc, This will make my

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STINNER Victor added the comment: Jakub: Would you mind to build the master branch of Python, run the test suite and post the tests results? In short: git clone https://github.com/python/cpython.git cd cpython ./configure ./python -m test -j0 -r If possible, try to install dependencies

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Terry J. Reedy added the comment: Dear Solaris Python fans (about 20 so far here): Here is the situation. There are 1000s of open issues on this tracker and at least 100s of open cpython PRs, and only 20-30 core developers, mostly volunteers, actively (depending on definition) merging PRs

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Pablo Galindo Salgado added the comment: Discussions are happening in this thread, including the requirements for supported platforms going forward: https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-...@python.org/thread/VDD7NMEDFXMOP4S74GEYJUHJRJPK2UR3/ --

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Raymond Hettinger added the comment: I think the PR needs to be withdrawn. Users have spoken. There is zero need to cut them off. -- nosy: +rhettinger ___ Python tracker

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Jakub Kulik added the comment: Hi, here I am passing on several notes from the Oracle Solaris team: - Oracle continues to develop and advance Oracle Solaris technology, and have committed to doing so for years to come. We release a new update (so called SRU) every month

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cyrus torros added the comment: Why?? I use python on solaris in my every day toolchain and at work. There is no harm in keeping it supported, it's not hard. Please do not drop support. -- nosy: +sugondesenuts007 ___ Python tracker

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STINNER Victor added the comment: > But it's not enough, please call for help: Please *read* my call for help -- ___ Python tracker ___

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Gaige Paulsen added the comment: Let me add my voice to those who ask to keep Solaris support in Python going forward. We use SmartOS which is an Illumos and thus Solaris derivative. We use Ansible extensively to automate our SmartOS deployments. We have a couple hundred VMs and 2 part-time

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STINNER Victor added the comment: It seems like two Python core developers (Ronald Oussoren and Jesús Cea Avión) are volunteer to maintain the Solaris support. Moreover, it seems like some people would like to provide a Solaris server to run a buildbot server. In this case, I would be fine

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Jan Poctavek added the comment: I'm speaking officially for Danube Cloud, an advanced project which is open-source virtualization platform similar to Proxmox, XCP-NG, oVirt, Joyent Triton, etc. Our base platform is SmartOS and we have everything written in Python. If you drop support for

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Mike La Spina added the comment: I suspect the download stats are not a full indication of usage on “SunOS” based on download stats. The bits are preinstalled. I do use it frequently via Illumos. Please support the platform. Regards, Mike -- nosy: +michael.laspina

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Juraj Lutter added the comment: We, in danubecloud (https://github.com/erigones/esdc-ce) are relying on Python, too. Keep up the good work, folks :-) -- nosy: +otis ___ Python tracker

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Olaf Bohlen added the comment: Also, let me join in here. OpenIndiana hipster and all other illumos distributions will suffer if you drop the "Solaris" support. Just to get an idea which packages in a nearly default install depend on python: pkg uninstall: Unable to remove

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Jorge Schrauwen added the comment: I'm an illumos user too, mostly SmartOS and some OmniOS. I'm a heavy user of salt and thus phyton too, slowly prepping to get my stuff moved from 2.7 to 3.8 atm. As mentioned above parts of the illumos build also use python and are moving to wads 3.9. As

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Predrag Zečević added the comment: Please, keep support! -- nosy: +predrag.zecevic.1961 versions: -Python 3.10 ___ Python tracker ___

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abarbu added the comment: Please don't drop Solaris support, we still use it to this day. -- nosy: +abarbu ___ Python tracker ___

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Paolo Marcheschi added the comment: Please continue support for Solaris/IllumOS! This is very important for us. -- nosy: +marcheschi ___ Python tracker ___

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Carsten Grzemba added the comment: Please continue support for Solaris/IllumOS! For build resources on the most recent Solaris platforms you can contact opencsw.org. -- nosy: +cgrzemba ___ Python tracker

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Jasper Siepkes added the comment: I'm another Illumos user that has crawled from under a rock ;-) to request not to drop Illumos support. -- nosy: +siepkes ___ Python tracker

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Marius Pana added the comment: Please do not drop support for SunOS. We are happy to provide some hosting services on SmartOS/Illumos for building. -- nosy: +mariuspana ___ Python tracker

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Tony Albers added the comment: No no no, please don't. Apart from FreeBSD, illumos distros are the only really hard-core UNIX OS'es still freely available, the features taken into account. SMF, dtrace and several hypervisor types makes illumos really stand out. I understand that there are

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jason matthews added the comment: Please do not drop support. Python is widely used in the "Solaris" community with most people downloading packages from Openindiana/Hipster or Joyent/SmartOS repos. Most "Solaris" users are not using Solaris proper. The download stats published in this

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Robert D. French added the comment: Hello! I just want to lend my voice in favor of maintaining "Solarish" support as well, and offer what help I may for resolving issues. -- nosy: +robertdfrench ___ Python tracker

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brett added the comment: Between SmartOS, Illumos, and mainline Solaris, there is ample interest and support for ensuring that SunOS derivatives remain 1st class python platforms. Platform genocide is both unnecessary and unwarranted. -- nosy: +brett3

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Peter Firmstone added the comment: No, please continue supporting Illumos, I'm still using it. Illumos is still relevant on servers. -- nosy: +pfirmsto ___ Python tracker

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hajma added the comment: Like OmniOS, Oracle Solaris provides the 'six' (and many other) module prepackaged. You can review a clone of the development repository at https://github.com/oracle/solaris-userland/tree/master/components/python/six -- nosy: +tropikha...@gmail.com

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Andy Fiddaman added the comment: Re: Downloads OmniOS makes modules like 'six' available through its own IPS packaging system (which is written in Python) so installations won't show up pypi stats. six is a core module on the platform so it is installed on 1000s of OmniOS machines (and

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Andy Fiddaman added the comment: We at OmniOS (an illumos distribution) are in the process of upgrading to Python 3.9 and working on getting tests clean. We're in pretty good shape with a few local patches and only having to skip a few tests at the moment, and most of those patches should

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Joshua M. Clulow added the comment: Hi! I'm a member of the illumos core team, and I'm also pretty keen for us to keep Python support! Some of our core OS build and packaging tooling is written in Python, and certainly applications like Synapse (Matrix) and Review Board are important to

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Jesús Cea Avión added the comment: I am using Python 3.8 installed via pkgsrc in SmartOS with some Zones running Python 3.9 self compiled code. More about the downloads stats: 4% packages in windows: I am pretty sure that most windows programmers install packages via conda-like tools.

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Jesús Cea Avión added the comment: I think Solaris Support is still important and I could invest more time on it. About package downloads: 1. I routinely download packages in my laptop (Linux) and distribute them to a fleet of servers (Linux and Solaris) via ansible and similar. Many servers

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Ondřej Súkup added the comment: Oracle moved solaris 11.4 to +- rolling release mode, last SRU is 26 from 20.10.2020 with month release cadence. On another side, almost all informations are behind the Oracle paywall -- nosy: +mimi.vx ___ Python

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Sebastian Wiedenroth added the comment: > Which Python version do you use? Myself currently mostly python 3.8 via pkgsrc on SmartOS (one of the illumos distributions). OmniOS ships 3.7: https://github.com/omniosorg/omnios-build/tree/master/build/python37 OpenIndiana ships at least 2.7,

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STINNER Victor added the comment: > We (illumos) share the same uname "SunOS" and depend on this support. Which Python version do you use? https://blogs.oracle.com/solaris/future-of-python-on-solaris mentions Python 2.7 and 3.4. -- ___ Python

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STINNER Victor added the comment: I looked at PyPI download statistics of the "six" module over the last 180 days (6 months), grouped by operating system name: * SunOS: 3,975 downloads * TOTAL: 590,727,298 downloads SunOS is 0.0007% of all six downloads. For comparison, the top 4 is: *

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Sebastian Wiedenroth added the comment: Please don't. Even if Oracle doesn't care anymore, the open source illumos community does. We (illumos) share the same uname "SunOS" and depend on this support. I have offered to host an illumos buildbot in the past and that offer is still valid. At

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Change by STINNER Victor : -- keywords: +patch pull_requests: +21917 stage: -> patch review pull_request: https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/23002 ___ Python tracker ___

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New submission from STINNER Victor : In past years, very few Python core developers took care of the Solaris support. The latest significant Solaris enhancement was in 2018 with the addition of a new Solaris st_fstype attribute to os.stat(), in Python 3.7, by Jesús Cea Avión (bpo-32659).