Re: [questions] GPS+PPS vs NTP server, why a huge offset ?

2022-06-24 Thread David Taylor
On 24/06/2022 11:26, Harlan Stenn wrote: I chatted with him a couple of months' ago. He's doing OK. Thanks, that's good to hear. He did a lot of work, which was much appreciated. Cheers, David -- SatSignal Software - Quality software for you Web: https://www.satsignal.eu Email:

Re: [questions] GPS+PPS vs NTP server, why a huge offset ?

2022-06-23 Thread David Taylor
On 23/06/2022 15:33, Thibaut HUMBERT wrote: Hi David! I tested with your dll: https://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/x86/loopback-ppsapi-provider.zip The PPS was not detected, I don't know what I did wrong. Here is the content of my ntp.conf: server 127.127.20.3 minpoll 2 maxpoll 2 mode 89 prefer fudge

Re: [questions] GPS+PPS vs NTP server, why a huge offset ?

2022-06-22 Thread David Taylor
On 22/06/2022 22:42, Thibaut HUMBERT wrote: I continued my tests with the NMEA+PPS on a CH341A in USB, and comparing over one night with several NTP sources: I am at ± 1ms on average. I tried with an ESP8266: without success. I tried a Raspberry PI 1B: ok, but always an 10ms offset. And the

Re: [questions] Re: GPS+PPS vs NTP server, why a huge offset ?

2022-06-17 Thread David Taylor
On 17/06/2022 03:03, Daniel O'Connor wrote: Yes, Thiebaud, USB is not good enough for PPS signals! This is absolutely false. If you are using it for NTP then GPS+PPS over USB is quite adequate (from personal experience). Ian Lepore (RIP) who worked for Micro Semi and worked on FreeBSD did a

[questions] Re: GPS+PPS vs NTP server, why a huge offset ?

2022-06-16 Thread David Taylor
On 16/06/2022 10:00, Thiebaud HUMBERT wrote: To do the inversion, I just changed the "Pulse Mode" parameter to "Falling edge" from "Rising edge". The offset induced by the "pulse length" has disappeared. But there is still an offset of around 10.3ms, which I think is induced by USB as

Re: [questions] Re: Date and time are wrong.

2022-06-15 Thread David Taylor
On 10/06/2022 11:15, David Woolley wrote: On 10/06/2022 08:47, joshua wrote: connect to the right timezone NTP doesn't use timezones. All servers use times based on UTC. Any timezone issue is a local problem, in your operating system. Maybe he means the zone for the pool servers, but

[questions] Re: Date and time are wrong.

2022-06-10 Thread David Taylor
On 10/06/2022 08:47, joshua wrote: As title states, we've been unable to connect to the right timezone without doing it manually. I was wondering if anybody has been having these problems? I have already tried to change the server to the Dutch server with no succes.. The times are now so far

Re: [ntp:questions] Use of ntpd in Centos8

2021-06-26 Thread David Taylor
On 26/06/2021 07:58, Derek Barnes wrote: Thanks David. sudo yum remove chronygets rid of chrony and 62 dependencies but sudo install ntp fails. (Error: Unable to find a match: ntp) I believe /assume that there is no ntp packages in the centos8 repositories. Can my installation be

Re: [ntp:questions] Use of ntpd in Centos8

2021-06-26 Thread David Taylor
On 26/06/2021 05:45, Derek Barnes wrote: I have recently built a server running Centos8 only to find that it doesnot support ntpd, only chronyd. That would not be a problem except that chrony does not like my stratum 1 GPS receiver and the only possible reason that I can work out is the

Re: [ntp:questions] Best method to measure NTP performance/drift. Loopstats or Peerstats

2021-01-29 Thread David Taylor
On 29/01/2021 10:33, Fabbri, Tommaso CMRE wrote: Dear NTP users, which is the difference between loopstats and peerstats for evaluating the drift respect a given timing source? In my configuration, the NTP server is configured with just one additional source (GPS) always available. Should

Re: [ntp:questions] Pi 4 and Ultimate hat weirdness

2021-01-26 Thread David Taylor
On 25/01/2021 16:33, Jim Pennino wrote: [] But the PPS has a lot of jitter. Note the xPPS(0) in the ntpq line. []> The default for NTP is 4800 baud, but I am running at 9600 and there is no loss of data. It doesn't make any difference if I run the 20 driver in mode 1 (lower bits) or 13, it

Re: [ntp:questions] Pi 4 and Ultimate hat weirdness

2021-01-26 Thread David Taylor
On 25/01/2021 17:53, Gary E. Miller wrote: Yo David! On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 11:03:46 + David Taylor wrote: GPSD has proved problematical, and the only satisfactory way is not to use the one in the distribution, but to build from scratch. https://www.satsignal.eu/raspberry-pi

Re: [ntp:questions] Pi 4 and Ultimate hat weirdness

2021-01-25 Thread David Taylor
On 25/01/2021 02:06, Jim Pennino wrote: I got a Pi 4 and Adafruit ultimate gps hat to play with and decided to see how good it was as a timekeeper. First weird thing; xgps does not show a skyview but both xgps and cgps show at least 10 satellites in use. I don't care too much about this one as

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP not seeing servers with a 2-year offset, stand alone configuration

2021-01-20 Thread David Taylor
On 19/01/2021 20:04, Martin Burnicki wrote: Maybe have a look at this page: http://doc.ntp.org/current-stable/drivers/driver28.html Search that page for "flag1". There should be 2 hits about a constraint in the initial time offset ("Mode-independent post-processing"), and how this can be

[ntp:questions] NTP not seeing servers with a 2-year offset, stand alone configuration

2021-01-09 Thread David Taylor
NTP doesn't work as expected when using PPS and GPSD alone, when there is a very large offset (2 years) between the host date/time (Raspberry Pi) and the GPS date/time. PPS and GPSD appear to be present (using "ppstest" and "ps-e | grep gpsd", and the ntpq display shows the PPS and GPS servers

Re: [ntp:questions] PPS, prefer keywoard and redundant peers

2020-11-24 Thread David Taylor
On 24/11/2020 04:05, Scott wrote: Hi all, the documentation clearly states that for a PPS driver to work one needs to configure another peer as `prefer'. I have a set-up with PPS and three network (IP) peers, one of these marked preferred. 1) why can't the PPS signal be used to discipline all

Re: [ntp:questions] Local Time NTP Server

2020-09-14 Thread David Taylor
On 14/09/2020 13:45, Rob van der Putten wrote: Hi there On 24/08/2020 16:07, William Unruh wrote: It was renamed because UTC has nothing to do with Greenwich. For historical reasons, the time at Greenwich is the same as UTC. They are not perfectly identical. The difference is however

Re: [ntp:questions] create charts

2020-08-21 Thread David Taylor
On 21/08/2020 12:01, thimoo...@gmail.com wrote: Op vrijdag 21 augustus 2020 om 12:52:49 UTC+2 schreef David Taylor: On 21/08/2020 11:39, thimoo...@gmail.com wrote: I have a question. how do you make a graph of your ntp server and is that possible i need a linux version The tools I use

Re: [ntp:questions] create charts

2020-08-21 Thread David Taylor
On 21/08/2020 11:39, thimoo...@gmail.com wrote: I have a question. how do you make a graph of your ntp server and is that possible One example is here: https://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/NTPandMRTG.html -- Cheers, David Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

Re: [ntp:questions] Performance estimation

2020-06-16 Thread David Taylor
On 17/06/2020 00:03, William Unruh wrote: Unless the cables are properly terminated at boththe gps receiver and the computer, this is probably not true. (the velocity of light may be under 5ns (ie less than 5 feet between the receiver and the computer) but the capacitive charging of the cable,

Re: [ntp:questions] Performance estimation

2020-06-16 Thread David Taylor
On 16/06/2020 17:11, William Unruh wrote: [] The question then is how rapidly the system can respond to an interrupt,. This at least used to be of the order of a microsecond. Also, how logd does it take to read the clock with the kernel gettime routines. They all limit the accuracy of your clock

Re: [ntp:questions] Performance estimation

2020-06-16 Thread David Taylor
Forgot the link: RasPi-1: https://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/performance_raspi-1.php -- Cheers, David Web: http://www.satsignal.eu ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions

Re: [ntp:questions] Performance estimation

2020-06-16 Thread David Taylor
On 16/06/2020 14:04, Miroslav Lichvar wrote: On 2020-06-16, David Taylor wrote: The clock on a Raspberry Pi ranges from 700 to 1500 MHz, so clock resolution is in the nanosecond range. For best timekeeping performance, you would want to set the CPU frequency to a fixed value. I would also

Re: [ntp:questions] Performance estimation

2020-06-16 Thread David Taylor
On 15/06/2020 19:00, David Woolley wrote: [] What is the clock resolution?  If you try and measure jitters that aren't several times the resolution, they are not going to be particularly valid. If the hardware clock is almost dead on, and the peak to peak dither is just less than the

Re: [ntp:questions] Performance estimation

2020-06-16 Thread David Taylor
On 15/06/2020 19:58, William Unruh wrote: [] Why would it be useful? What are you trying to do. It is always better to first present the problem rather than trying to get people to improve your solution to an unknown problem. It's not a problem, simply trying to get a better understanding of

Re: [ntp:questions] List rejection!

2020-06-16 Thread David Taylor
On 15/06/2020 19:53, William Unruh wrote: [] And why would you think that posting it to the newsgroup would get the people in charge of the email list? Do you mean one of the mailing lists listed on https://lists.ntp.org/listinfo? Which one? There it says If you are having trouble using the

Re: [ntp:questions] Performance estimation

2020-06-15 Thread David Taylor
On 15/06/2020 16:10, Miroslav Lichvar wrote: On 2020-06-15, David Taylor wrote: [] The lightly-loaded Raspberry Pi cards are all showing low numbers of jitter, and it would be really useful to get that in more than three decimal places of milliseconds. You would probably need to patch ntpd

Re: [ntp:questions] Performance estimation

2020-06-15 Thread David Taylor
On 15/06/2020 08:33, Miroslav Lichvar wrote: On 2020-06-14, David Taylor wrote: When using the ntpq -crv command, which is the better measure of system performance - clk_jitter or sys_jitter? I've look for the definitions and I'm thinking sys_jitter but perhaps someone could please remind me

Re: [ntp:questions] List rejection!

2020-06-15 Thread David Taylor
On 15/06/2020 14:50, William Unruh wrote: On 2020-06-15, David Taylor wrote: Once again, I tried to reply on the e-mail link but the message was rejected, Could the mailing list admin please set it so that: No idea what you wanted to do. If you wanted to reply to the poster's email

[ntp:questions] List rejection!

2020-06-15 Thread David Taylor
Once again, I tried to reply on the e-mail link but the message was rejected, Could the mailing list admin please set it so that: david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk gm8...@yahoo.co.uk are allowed through, please. This hindrance to communication is most tirecome! -- Cheers, David Web:

[ntp:questions] Performance estimation

2020-06-14 Thread David Taylor
When using the ntpq -crv command, which is the better measure of system performance - clk_jitter or sys_jitter? I've look for the definitions and I'm thinking sys_jitter but perhaps someone could please remind me of the difference? Are the units for sys/clk_jitter in milliseconds. For my

Re: [ntp:questions] Trying to reply to an NTP Questions request I get this

2019-08-21 Thread David Taylor
On 21/08/2019 21:01, David Woolley wrote: On 21/08/2019 17:42, David Taylor wrote: You are not allowed to post to this mailing list From: a domain which publishes a DMARC policy of reject or quarantine, blueyonder doesn't appear to publish any DMARC policy.  Did you actually use a blueyonder

[ntp:questions] Trying to reply to an NTP Questions request I get this

2019-08-21 Thread David Taylor
Trying to reply to an NTP Questions request I get this: You are not allowed to post to this mailing list From: a domain which publishes a DMARC policy of reject or quarantine, and your message has been automatically rejected. If you think that your

Re: [ntp:questions] Shall I use a fudge on PPS?

2019-07-17 Thread David Taylor
On 16/07/2019 21:19, Andreas Mattheiss wrote: Hello, I have a cheap GPS hooked onto my PC via a MAX232 level converter - the PPS goes directly into the DCD pin of a native serial port. Everything is fine; after some time ntpd locks onto the PPS signal, and any other servers from the net show a

Re: [ntp:questions] Garmin LVC 18x jitter problem

2019-07-10 Thread David Taylor
On 10/07/2019 22:15, Michael Haardt wrote: I use a Garmin LVC 18x with a Raspberry Pi, process NMEA with gpsd (SHM driver) and acess PPS by GPIO (kernel PPS driver). gpsd allows monitoring and passing PPS right into ntpd avoids gpsd conversion of PPS. Sometimes this works, but then there are

Re: [ntp:questions] Some servers returning the wrong time

2019-07-03 Thread David Taylor
On 03/07/2019 10:52, Roger wrote: On Wed, 3 Jul 2019 00:56:08 -0700 (PDT), rickylje...@gmail.com wrote: Server 206.108.0.131 which is part of 0.pool.ntp.org is returning a date and time that is off around 11 hours. Trying to find any details of why this would be happening. The change was

Re: [ntp:questions] Time server question

2019-06-25 Thread David Taylor
On 25/06/2019 01:33, Chris wrote: [] Thanks for all the replies. I guess the next thing to do is to build a working system, then evaluate to see how it can be improved. All the kit is in the same rack and with dedicated hardware interfaces, network latency shouldn't be a problem. This is

Re: [ntp:questions] Fine tuning ntp.conf

2019-04-27 Thread David Taylor
On 27/04/2019 23:29, jelisko...@gmail.com wrote: [] I am thinking of buying this https://www.ebay.com/itm/U-Blox-LEA-5T-high-precision-timing-GPS-module-dev-board-1PPS-USB-RS232-ntp-ser/263546760982 With this antenna

Re: [ntp:questions] Fine tuning ntp.conf

2019-04-27 Thread David Taylor
On 27/04/2019 17:37, William Unruh wrote: [] On the subject of gps/pps receivers, since the Sure OEM board seems to have disappeared, what is the current recommendation for a cheap gps/pps board to attach to your computer? (the above is not cheap-- on the order of $500, rather than $50)

Re: [ntp:questions] Fine tuning ntp.conf

2019-04-26 Thread David Taylor
On 26/04/2019 18:39, William Unruh wrote: [] One problem with the pool is that the servers have varying accuracy. If you have carefully chosen your servers as having low uncertainty, then your list might be better. But if you simply chose them randomly, then the pool will probably be just as

Re: [ntp:questions] Fine tuning ntp.conf

2019-04-26 Thread David Taylor
On 26/04/2019 21:27, jelisko...@gmail.com wrote: [] I think that you are mistaken. " The servers joining should not have pool.ntp.org as their upstream server(s), but should configure some good servers manually (those servers may be chosen from the pool. The point is that they are chosen

Re: [ntp:questions] Fine tuning ntp.conf

2019-04-26 Thread David Taylor
On 26/04/2019 14:31, jelisko...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, This is my config file for my NTP Stratum 2 server. Any suggestion for fine tuning will be appreciated. [] # Use public servers from the pool.ntp.org project. # Please consider joining the pool (http://www.pool.ntp.org/join.html).

Re: [ntp:questions] restrict: ignoring line %u, address/host '%s' unusable.

2018-09-12 Thread David Taylor
On 12/09/2018 08:06, Jakob Bohm wrote: NTP 4.2.8p10+dfsg-3+deb9u2 (Debian packaged with backported security fixes), on a dual stack (IPv4+IPv6) machine logs the following error messages for each netmask specific restrict line, and does seem to ignore the lines or otherwise enforce incorrect

[ntp:questions] Windows binaries for ntp-4.2.8p12

2018-08-23 Thread David Taylor
There has been an update to NTP to ntp-4.2.8p12 and I've compiled a version for Windows (XP up to Win-10-32/64) here: http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/x86/index.html Note that you might need to update your OpenSSL too, details on that Web page. Thanks to @NTP for the update. -- Cheers, David

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP rejecting SHM for NMEA GPS and PPS

2018-08-11 Thread David Taylor
On 10/08/2018 23:16, na...@datacloud.com wrote: I forgot to mention that I am using Ubuntu 16.04 and the GPS receiver is connected via USB USB is not the best to get good results. You need to connect the PPS signal directly to a port on the device - typically the CD (carrier detect) line

Re: [ntp:questions] u-blox reference clock driver

2018-08-11 Thread David Taylor
On 11/08/2018 12:29, Terje Mathisen wrote: David Taylor wrote: This was posted by lu...@fridolin.com on the NTP hackers list, just in case you missed it. ~ Hi, I've been writing a reference driver for u-blox GPS receivers as part of my master's thesis

[ntp:questions] u-blox reference clock driver

2018-08-11 Thread David Taylor
This was posted by lu...@fridolin.com on the NTP hackers list, just in case you missed it. ~ Hi, I've been writing a reference driver for u-blox GPS receivers as part of my master's thesis and thought ntp hackers might be interested in it.

Re: [ntp:questions] Difference between offset (ntpq -p) and offset (ntpq -crv)

2018-08-06 Thread David Taylor
On 02/08/2018 09:14, David Woolley wrote: On 01/08/18 19:32, David Taylor wrote: Would I be right in thinking of the "*" line as simply being the offset from that particular server, and the "system" variable as being the offset from some virtual internal clock which

[ntp:questions] Difference between offset (ntpq -p) and offset (ntpq -crv)

2018-08-06 Thread David Taylor
I was writing a small script to check on offset, and noticed that the offset from the selected server ("*" line in the tally list from ntpq -p) differs considerably from the offset reported as a "system" variable (ntpq -crv). Would I be right in thinking of the "*" line as simply being the

[ntp:questions] Determining the offset of GPS serial data automatically - a Linux script

2018-08-06 Thread David Taylor
Angelo Mileto recently sent me some notes about determining the offset of serial GPS data automatically using a Linux script. This value is used as the time1 fudge factor. I hope you find it useful. My thanks to Angelo! https://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/Raspberry-Pi-NTP.html#average -- Cheers,

Re: [ntp:questions] shm + pps calibration

2018-08-06 Thread David Taylor
On 05/07/2018 21:30, Daniel Gearty wrote: server 127.127.20.3 iburst minpoll 3 mode 17 # COM3, 8 second polling, NMEA GPRMC, 9600 bps, NaviSys GR-8013W u-blox M8 USB PPS GPS fudge 127.127.20.3 time1 0.000142 time2 0.11 flag1 1 flag2 1 flag3 0 # PPS offset, NMEA offset, enable PPS, pulse on

Re: [ntp:questions] shm + pps calibration

2018-08-06 Thread David Taylor
On 07/07/2018 18:10, William Unruh wrote: On 2018-07-07, David Taylor wrote: [] On one PC I'm using an add-in PCIe card, a TTL-RS232 converter (tried without but the signal levels were too low) and a Chinese module sitting That is really unusual. Most serial cards now will happily use TTL

Re: [ntp:questions] shm + pps calibration

2018-08-06 Thread David Taylor
On 06/07/2018 21:18, Daniel Gearty wrote: In my case, I attribute the PPS delay to the serial to USB 1.1 conversion of the Prolific PL2303HXD in my NaviSys GR-8013W GPS. The offset bounces around within +/- 0.5 msec. It appears the initial PPS offset should be zero if you receive your PPS

Re: [ntp:questions] does this make sense?

2018-08-06 Thread David Taylor
On 04/04/2018 20:47, Maria Iano wrote: Thanks William, I will go with GPS. Maria That's a good choice. These boxes are low-cost (but not yet multiple GNSS systems - check with the vendor), and have good hold-over in the event of GPS failure:

Re: [ntp:questions] does this make sense?

2018-08-06 Thread David Taylor
On 04/04/2018 17:29, Maria Iano wrote: I'm purchasing ntp appliances to put into three datacenters. Does it make sense to purchase two that use GPS and two that use WWVB, and configure them as peers? Thanks, Maria Probably, yes, although these days I would suggest that GPS (including GLONASS

Re: [ntp:questions] ntp.ymartin.com

2018-08-06 Thread David Taylor
On 28/03/2018 21:31, Yves Martin wrote: I've installed my own ntp server since a year now, using a NTP100 server sync with an external GPS antenna. Just need to know if it's reachable from outside. Thanks. ntp.ymartin.com YM Yves, this is what I see (edited for brevity):

[ntp:questions] ntp-4.2.8p11 for Windows

2018-08-06 Thread David Taylor
Folks, There has been an update to NTP to ntp-4.2.8p11 and I've compiled a version for Windows (XP up to Win-10-32/64) here: http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/x86/index.html Note that you may need to update your OpenSSL too, details on that Web page. Thanks to @NTP for the update and to Juergen

Re: [ntp:questions] Problems with Sure OEM pps gps

2017-11-19 Thread David Taylor
On 19/11/2017 06:29, William Unruh wrote: []> t but it is annoying to keep seeing 8 or more postings only to have all of them killed. It is bizzare, and wonder if there is some way of getting google to kill that account. Can you check other devices in the same location? I've seen something

Re: [ntp:questions] Problems with Sure OEM pps gps

2017-11-18 Thread David Taylor
On 18/11/2017 21:55, William Unruh wrote: I am having sudden problems on my system with a Sure GPS with PPS. I am running chrony, using a serial port to bring in the PPS signal. Everything was working well-- the rms timing on the pulse was about 1usec. Suddenly on Nov 18 at very close to

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP with Meinberg NTP for Windows - Looking to use 1PPS source from GPS - Serialpps?

2017-11-03 Thread David Taylor
On 03/11/2017 00:23, Geoff Roberts wrote: Never mind. I found it. Nice 64 bit signed Kernel mode version too. http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/NTP-on-Windows-Vista.html#Win-7-64-bit Haven't tried it on win10 yet but should work. Geoff Yes, the driver works on Windows-10. If you have a

Re: [ntp:questions] false ticker after GPS coldreset

2017-11-02 Thread David Taylor
On 01/11/2017 11:46, valizadeh...@gmail.com wrote: []> local lcok is there because my system is not connected to internet and i need to have the hwclock to keep the time during power-offs,i have disabled the pre installed fakeclock and used an I2c connected battery backed up RTC chip. the

Re: [ntp:questions] false ticker after GPS coldreset

2017-11-02 Thread David Taylor
On 31/10/2017 08:50, valizade...@gmail.com wrote: server 127.127.1.1 minpoll 3 maxpoll 4 #hwcloak fudge 127.127.1.1 stratum 3 As Bill says, get rid of the local clock, and add some Internet sources. That way you can check whether your GPS is grossly wrong. The reach value seem wrong as

Re: [ntp:questions] Errors in "restrict" lines

2017-06-26 Thread David Taylor
Hi, Perhaps the problem comes from the first line when it's asked: restrict source ... query It is possible that the word 'query' is not recognize, usually 'restrict' command is used to disable services and not to enable them. Best, Jean-Michel Thanks Jean-Michel and Harlan. Yes, both the

[ntp:questions] Errors in "restrict" lines

2017-06-26 Thread David Taylor
Folks, I will be the first to admit that I'm not very conversant with "restrict" lines, so perhaps the following will be obvious to you! I have in lines 34 onwards of my ntp.conf: # Suggestions for NTP restrictions: restrict source notrap nomodify nopeer query restrict 127.0.0.1 restrict

Re: [ntp:questions] GPS-PPS, standalone server. NTP

2017-06-06 Thread David Taylor
On 06/06/2017 13:11, girin...@gmail.com wrote: [] Some GPS will continue to deliver a PPS signal even if the lock is lost. I'm thinking particularly about the Garmin 18xLVC where it is clearly indicated in the documentation (4.4.1): 'After the initial position fix has been calculated, the PPS

Re: [ntp:questions] GPS-PPS, standalone server. NTP

2017-06-06 Thread David Taylor
On 05/06/2017 22:53, Jakob Bohm wrote: [] Note that any failure in the GPS/GNSS radio hardware that actually provides both the PPS pulses and the NMEA messages would be a failure of both "ntpd sources". Thus such a failure of NMEA+PPS would be more common than a failure of NMEA or PPS alone.

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8p10 released

2017-05-26 Thread David Taylor
On 26/05/2017 12:59, gaurav10ni...@gmail.com wrote: []> Hi David, I want to get offset between 0.5-2 ms. Can it be achieved using meinberg application? If yes, Kindly share the parameters required to be changed to get offset value in the required range. Regards, Gaurav Gaurav, As with

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8p10 released

2017-05-12 Thread David Taylor
On 12/05/2017 06:33, Jakob Bohm wrote: [] Note that all recent/current versions of the Windows Time Service are in fact SNTP/NTP implementations, with quality of implementation improving in newer versions. Old (now unsupported) versions of the Windows Time Service violated the SNTP/NTP

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8p10 released

2017-04-07 Thread David Taylor
On 07/04/2017 08:33, seema pandhre wrote: On Wednesday, March 22, 2017 at 6:57:36 PM UTC+5:30, David Taylor wrote: NTP 4.2.8p10 released Windows binaries working on Windows-XP SP3 & later - download: http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/x86/index.html Source: http://archive.ntp.org/ntp4/ntp-4.2

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8p10 released

2017-03-28 Thread David Taylor
On 27/03/2017 22:34, Dan Gearty wrote: Hi David, that is interesting that the problem does not manifest across the board given Martin's description of the bug. I am using the Meinberg build on Windows 10 Pro. I had previously been depending upon the environment variable.

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8p10 released

2017-03-26 Thread David Taylor
On 25/03/2017 22:09, Dan Gearty wrote: I have been using the loopback driver on Windows 10. It had been running OK in older versions up to 4.2.8p9. Now in 4.2.8p10 it appears that junk characters are appended to the driver name when it is called. The junk characters are different each time NTP

[ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8p10 released

2017-03-22 Thread David Taylor
NTP 4.2.8p10 released Windows binaries working on Windows-XP SP3 & later - download: http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/x86/index.html Source: http://archive.ntp.org/ntp4/ntp-4.2/ntp-4.2.8p10.tar.gz -- Cheers, David Web: http://www.satsignal.eu ___

Re: [ntp:questions] How common is LI=3 - solved.

2017-02-06 Thread David Taylor
On 05/02/2017 00:22, Robert Scott wrote: [] By the way, the code I am writing is not part of a NTP algorithm to adjust a system clock for time. It is for a one-time frequency calibration of an oscillator. I take a time snapshot at the beginning and at the end of an approximately six hour

Re: [ntp:questions] Time syncing with something other than ntpd

2017-02-03 Thread David Taylor
On 03/02/2017 07:42, sean wrote: [] Just curious, any experience with those? [] I'm running a couple of Sure boards here one feeding one PC and the other feeding two PCs in parallel (only one PC has TX connected). No problems. I'm on the top storey of a two storey building, and both

Re: [ntp:questions] Time syncing with something other than ntpd

2017-02-02 Thread David Taylor
On 02/02/2017 04:34, sean wrote: [] Incidentally I do have a BBB and a few raspberry pis. The BBB goes back and forth to/from work so I won't be able to use that as the NTP host. As an aside, have you done anything with SDR? You may be interested in this: https://github.com/flightaware/piaware

Re: [ntp:questions] Time syncing with something other than ntpd

2017-02-01 Thread David Taylor
On 01/02/2017 10:59, Jakob Bohm wrote: [] As I am looking at the BBB myself, here are some extra questions: 1. Do you know if anyone has tried using the real-time coprocessors on the BBB to more accurately track the PPS signal? 2. I presume the BBB could be put in a shielded case (I see some

Re: [ntp:questions] Time syncing with something other than ntpd

2017-02-01 Thread David Taylor
On 01/02/2017 05:55, sean wrote: [] Hi Dave, Thank you for the reply. I found your website about 3 weeks ago and got the urge to checkout GPS devices, like the GPS18, Raspberry pi options, etc. Thank you for it and all of the graphs. You certainly have many Pis keep track of the time! I don't

Re: [ntp:questions] Help with RESTRICT

2017-02-01 Thread David Taylor
On 31/01/2017 23:35, Phil Lee wrote: [] That would be correct IF your LAN is on 192.168.0.n The zero should be replaced with whichever of the /24 subnets under 192.168 is relevant for the actual LAN address scheme. Some DHCP servers on routers default to 192.168.1.n, for example. [] Well, of

Re: [ntp:questions] Help with RESTRICT

2017-01-31 Thread David Taylor
On 30/01/2017 20:14, Antonio Marcheselli wrote: Hello all [First, I am using google groups, in the past I was told it was causing hassle in terms of formatting but BT have discontinued their news server and I am unable to find an alternative - apologies if these messages are not properly

Re: [ntp:questions] Time syncing with something other than ntpd

2017-01-29 Thread David Taylor
On 30/01/2017 04:13, sean wrote: Hi All, I'm real interested in NTP and accurate time, hence why I'm on this newsgroup. I would like to look into getting a time sensor and I hear the Garmin GPS 18X is what some folks run unless they need much more precision. Is this still a pretty well

Re: [ntp:questions] moving from ntpdc to ntpq

2015-03-07 Thread David Taylor
On 07/03/2015 08:35, catherine.wei1...@gmail.com wrote: [] Hi,Dayvid, just like you said, we're offering ntpq to our customers to test the ntp function, for example, they have sevral ntp servers and need to choose which servers are good, they need to switch between these servers. Thank you.

Re: [ntp:questions] Optimising NTP build for Raspberry Pi 2

2015-03-07 Thread David Taylor
On 07/03/2015 12:41, Neil Green wrote: In an attempt to squeeze all I can out of a NTP and GPS/PPS setup on the Raspberry Pi 2 I’m starting to experiment with compile flags using GCC 4.8. Currently I have: CC=gcc-4.8 CFLAGS=-mcpu=cortex-a7 -mfpu=neon-vfpv4 ./configure --enable-NMEA

Re: [ntp:questions] Writing the drift file

2015-03-07 Thread David Taylor
On 07/03/2015 11:12, Harlan Stenn wrote: OK, a fair amount of good stuff is being discussed. Do we mostly all agree that the purpose of the drift file is to give ntpd a hint as to the frequency drift at startup? If so... The current mechanism is designed to handle the case where ntpd is

Re: [ntp:questions] Writing the drift file

2015-03-06 Thread David Taylor
On 06/03/2015 09:35, Harlan Stenn wrote: Folks, A while ago we got a request from the embedded folks asking for a way to limit the writing of the drift file unless there was a big enough change in the value to warrant this. Somebody came up with an interesting way to do this that involves

Re: [ntp:questions] moving from ntpdc to ntpq

2015-03-02 Thread David Taylor
On 02/03/2015 09:30, catherine.wei1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi,David, In our system, we need to unconfig and restrict in some operations through ntpq utility which originally was realized by ntpdc. However, ntpdc doesn't work now. In other words, we need to find an equivalent of ntpdc to unconfig,

Re: [ntp:questions] moving from ntpdc to ntpq

2015-02-28 Thread David Taylor
On 28/02/2015 01:17, catherine.wei1...@gmail.com wrote: [] Hi, Harlan In my system, ntpdc was used to add an ntp server and the command is like this: ntpdc -c keyid 0 -c addserver 10.172.161.16 minpoll 3 maxpoll 4 burst since keyid is 0, we don't need authentication. But now, I use ntpq to

Re: [ntp:questions] Type 28 driver (gpsd, SHM) - understanding flag1

2015-02-22 Thread David Taylor
On 21/02/2015 19:00, Harlan Stenn wrote: David Taylor writes: [] http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/Raspberry-Pi-quickstart.html http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/Raspberry-Pi-NTP.html Yes, that is appropriate material for the site. There are already pages for how to build for certain other

Re: [ntp:questions] Type 28 driver (gpsd, SHM) - understanding flag1

2015-02-21 Thread David Taylor
On 21/02/2015 08:33, Mike Cook wrote: [] My aged understanding concurs with yours. Set flag 1. Maybe not your desired behavior, but possibly that of the designer. [] Thanks, Mike. We are carrying out some tests, but it means leaving the computer down for at least several hours, and

Re: [ntp:questions] Type 28 driver (gpsd, SHM) - understanding flag1

2015-02-21 Thread David Taylor
On 21/02/2015 11:40, Harlan Stenn wrote: David Taylor writes: Thanks, Mike. We are carrying out some tests, but it means leaving the computer down for at least several hours, and we've been trying about 24 hours down so far, so progress isn't rapid! If flag1 allows off-the-network operation

Re: [ntp:questions] chrony as a server

2015-02-21 Thread David Taylor
On 21/02/2015 17:52, William Unruh wrote: [] It will do that too. The crucial item there is the only method of time correction is manual entry which is different from ntpd and orphan mode. I have no idea why this conversation is continuing. The two are different. The two methods are trying to

Re: [ntp:questions] chrony as a server

2015-02-20 Thread David Taylor
On 20/02/2015 20:22, William Unruh wrote: [] No. The local clock simply trusts the time (Ie all offsets are defined to be zero) chrony takes the time as entered by hand by the operator and uses that to determine the offset. Of course that will not be terribly accurate ( a second is probably

[ntp:questions] Type 28 driver (gpsd, SHM) - understanding flag1

2015-02-20 Thread David Taylor
Folks, I'm looking at: http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/html/drivers/driver28.html and wanting to be sure that I understand flag1 correctly. The situation is starting a computer which has no real-time clock, and has been down for a day. This computer is in the middle of nowhere, and

Re: [ntp:questions] chrony as a server

2015-02-20 Thread David Taylor
On 21/02/2015 07:04, William Unruh wrote: [] orphan mode is about a group of computers. Orphan Mode allows a group of ntpd processes to automonously select a leader in the event that all real time sources become unreachable (i.e. are inaccessible). chrony's is that you can enter the time by

Re: [ntp:questions] chrony as a server

2015-02-19 Thread David Taylor
On 19/02/2015 18:09, Paul wrote: On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 12:35 PM, David Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: Accurate and current documentation is both essential and invaluable for any project! Well then under no circumstances should you read the ntp faq/howto at http

Re: [ntp:questions] chrony as a server

2015-02-19 Thread David Taylor
On 19/02/2015 01:24, Paul wrote: [] Chrony (in general) pros and cons: http://chrony.tuxfamily.org/manual.html#Other-time-synchronisation-packages [] ... whwre it says: Things chronyd can do that ntpd can’t: chronyd provides support for isolated networks whether the only method of time

Re: [ntp:questions] chrony as a server

2015-02-19 Thread David Taylor
On 19/02/2015 14:20, Paul wrote: On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 5:34 AM, David Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: Does not NTP's orphan mode and local clock driver provide this? Refclock 1 (LOCAL/LOCL) is deprecated and I believe as of a recent release it's useless* but Orphan

Re: [ntp:questions] chrony as a server

2015-02-17 Thread David Taylor
On 16/02/2015 19:54, Paul wrote: On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:57 AM, David Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: For me, there are two show-stoppers with Chrony: - no support for standard NTP monitoring commands. - no support for ref-clocks on Windows. Like many others, I have

Re: [ntp:questions] chrony as a server

2015-02-16 Thread David Taylor
On 16/02/2015 15:59, Paul wrote: [] If you have a non-trivial interest I suggest reading the notes. E.g. Ntimed-client puts the entire interface to the OS timekeeping in four trivial functions for portability, but there are other nits and downright idiotic incompatibilities, because, quite

Re: [ntp:questions] chrony as a server

2015-02-16 Thread David Taylor
On 16/02/2015 08:46, William Unruh wrote: [] I think, but am not sure, that the biggest problem with porting chrony to windows is that windows does not have a good way of having the kernel discipline the clock-- the equivalent of adjtimex on Linux. NTP already manages that very well on

Re: [ntp:questions] chrony as a server

2015-02-16 Thread David Taylor
On 15/02/2015 22:40, Rob wrote: I am experimenting with chrony 1.31 as an alternative on some PPS synchronized servers. It appears to run OK, it is tracking very nicely: [] For me, there are two show-stoppers with Chrony: - no support for standard NTP monitoring commands. - no support for

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