Re: [R] Use of geometric mean .. in good data analysis

2024-01-22 Thread Jeff Newmiller via R-help
Still OT... but here is my own (I think previously mentioned here) rant on people thrashing about with log transformation and an all-too-common kludge to deal with zeros mixed among small numbers... https://gist.github.com/jdnewmil/99301a88de702ad2fcbaef33326b08b4 OP perhaps posting a link

Re: [R] Use of geometric mean .. in good data analysis

2024-01-22 Thread Bert Gunter
In the spirit of Martin's comments, it is perhaps worthwhile to note one of John Tukey's (who I actually knew) pertinent quotes: "The combination of some data and an aching desire for an answer does not ensure that a reasonable answer can be extracted from a given body of data.

Re: [R] Use of geometric mean .. in good data analysis

2024-01-22 Thread Bert Gunter
Ah LOD's, typically LLOD's ("lower limits of detection"). Disclaimer: I am *NOT* in any sense an expert on such matters. What follows are just some comments based on my personal experience. Please filter accordingly. Also, while I kept it on list as Martin suggested it might be useful to do

[ESS] FW: [GNU ELPA] ESS version 24.1.0

2024-01-22 Thread Sparapani, Rodney via ESS-help
Dear ESS users, I�m happy to report that we now have a new release. The first since 2018. It is available on github at https://github.com/emacs-ess/ESS and ELPA (see below). Although an official release, in many ways this is/was an experiment. I had never done a release before and I really

Re: [R] Use of geometric mean .. in good data analysis

2024-01-22 Thread John Fox
Dear Martin, Helpful general advice, although it's perhaps worth mentioning that the geometric mean, defined e.g. naively as prod(x)^(1/length(x)), is necessarily 0 if there are any 0 values in x. That is, the geometric mean "works" in this case but isn't really informative. Best, John --

Re: [R] Use of geometric mean .. in good data analysis

2024-01-22 Thread Rich Shepard
On Mon, 22 Jan 2024, Martin Maechler wrote: I think it is a good question, not really only about geo-chemistry, but about statistics in applied sciences (and engineering for that matter). John W Tukey (and several other of the grands of the time) had the log transform among the "First aid

Re: [R] Use of geometric mean .. in good data analysis

2024-01-22 Thread Martin Maechler
> Rich Shepard > on Mon, 22 Jan 2024 07:45:31 -0800 (PST) writes: > A statistical question, not specific to R. I'm asking for > a pointer for a source of definitive descriptions of what > types of data are best summarized by the arithmetic, > geometric, and harmonic

Re: [R] Use of geometric mean for geochemical concentrations

2024-01-22 Thread Rich Shepard
On Mon, 22 Jan 2024, Ben Bolker wrote: I think https://stats.stackexchange.com would be best: r-sig-ecology is pretty quiet these days Okay, Ben. Thanks, Rich __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see

Re: [R] Use of geometric mean for geochemical concentrations

2024-01-22 Thread Ben Bolker
I think https://stats.stackexchange.com would be best: r-sig-ecology is pretty quiet these days On 2024-01-22 11:05 a.m., Rich Shepard wrote: On Mon, 22 Jan 2024, Bert Gunter wrote: better posted on r-sig-ecology? -- or maybe even stack exchange? Bert, Okay. Regards, Rich

Re: [R] Use of geometric mean for geochemical concentrations

2024-01-22 Thread Rich Shepard
On Mon, 22 Jan 2024, Bert Gunter wrote: better posted on r-sig-ecology? -- or maybe even stack exchange? Bert, Okay. Regards, Rich __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help

Re: [R] Use of geometric mean for geochemical concentrations

2024-01-22 Thread Bert Gunter
better posted on r-sig-ecology? -- or maybe even stack exchange? Cheers, Bert On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 7:45 AM Rich Shepard wrote: > A statistical question, not specific to R. > > I'm asking for a pointer for a source of definitive descriptions of what > types of data are best summarized by the

[R] Use of geometric mean for geochemical concentrations

2024-01-22 Thread Rich Shepard
A statistical question, not specific to R. I'm asking for a pointer for a source of definitive descriptions of what types of data are best summarized by the arithmetic, geometric, and harmonic means. As an aquatic ecologist I see regulators apply the geometric mean to geochemical concentrations

[R] [R-pkgs] hydroGOF back on CRAN (v0.5-4 released)

2024-01-22 Thread Mauricio Zambrano-Bigiarini
Dear all, After being archived on CRAN on 2023-10-16 , hydroGOF is finally back on CRAN since January 21th: https://cran.r-project.org/package=hydroGOF. This new version 0.5-4 includes: *) the following new functions: -) KGElf (García et al., 2017), -) sKGE (Fowler et al., 2018),

[R] [R-pkgs] hydroTSM back on CRAN (v0.7-0 released)

2024-01-22 Thread Mauricio Zambrano-Bigiarini
Dear all, After being archived on CRAN on 2023-10-1, hydroTSM is finally back on CRAN since January 18th: https://cran.r-project.org/package=hydroTSM. This new version 0.7-0 has several new functions, improvements, bugfixes, and a new dataset, mostly devoted to work with sub-daily and sub-hourly