Re: [Resin-interest] BEAST SSL Attack

2013-01-02 Thread Scott Ferguson

On 1/2/13 11:58 AM, Aaron Freeman wrote:


We have now been scanned and been found to be non-compliant due to 
lack of the ability to order ciphers.   Is there any timeframe we 
might expect even a snapshot to have this capability?




I'll see if I can get a snapshot this week.

-- Scott


Thanks,

Aaron

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[mailto:resin-interest-boun...@caucho.com] *On Behalf Of *Aaron Freeman

*Sent:* Wednesday, December 05, 2012 10:51 AM
*To:* 'General Discussion for the Resin application server'
*Subject:* Re: [Resin-interest] BEAST SSL Attack

Very good, I appreciate the feedback.

Thanks,

Aaron

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[mailto:resin-interest-boun...@caucho.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Cowan

*Sent:* Wednesday, December 05, 2012 9:02 AM
*To:* General Discussion for the Resin application server
*Subject:* Re: [Resin-interest] BEAST SSL Attack

Hi Folks,

Resin does not support SSLHonorCipherOrder yet.  We already received 
a request from another customer and there is a feature request for 
this here:


http://bugs.caucho.com/view.php?id=5282

This is an OpenSSL feature, not JSSE.  We'll be implementing it in an 
upcoming release.  Probably it will be in 4.0.44, as .43 is due for 
release soon.


Thanks,

Paul

On Dec 5, 2012, at 8:13 AM, Aaron Freeman wrote:

Knut,

Thanks a bunch for your reply.   I saw you referencing another email 
you sent, but this is the only one I saw come through the group.


At any rate, we are already using the cipher-suites feature, but in 
this case that's not enough. They are telling us that we actually have 
to be able to prioritize the order that the suites are negotiated on 
the server side.  The only cipher suites guaranteed not to have the 
BEAST attack issue are ones that aren't wide-spread yet (TLSv1.1) 
however if we can put TLSv1.0 in a specific order that will suffice 
for PCI compliance.


This bug for Tomcat addresses the issue and gives good details about a 
directive, SSLHonorCipherOrder, that handles the 
problem:https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=53481


Any other ideas for Resin?

Aaron

*From:*resin-interest-boun...@caucho.com 
mailto:resin-interest-boun...@caucho.com[mailto:resin-interest-boun...@caucho.com]*On 
Behalf Of*Knut Forkalsrud

*Sent:*Tuesday, December 04, 2012 9:31 PM
*To:*General Discussion for the Resin application server
*Subject:*Re: [Resin-interest] BEAST SSL Attack

Actually, I got it wrong in my previous mail.  The feature should be 
working.


There is a ticket describing the feature: 
http://bugs.caucho.com/view.php?id=3593


On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Knut Forkalsrud 
knut-cau...@forkalsrud.org mailto:knut-cau...@forkalsrud.org wrote:


In the days of Resin2.1.4 and onwards 
http://www.caucho.com/resin-3.1/changes/changes-2.xtpthere was such 
a feature, however it seems to have lapsed.  I remember because there 
was a similar issue with MSIE 
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q305217.


I my good old copy of Resin 3.1.8 there are remains the feature.

If you bring up the source code for 
com.caucho.vfs.JsseSSLFactory.create(host, port)


you will find a block of code commented out.

Then there was a second incarnation where you could specify cipher 
suites.  That seems to have dies some time around Aug 2009 with the 
commit: 
https://github.com/mdaniel/svn-caucho-com-resin/commit/96de31370ffd0153eb45fc49725a9b796bc11224#modules/resin/src/com/caucho/vfs/JsseSSLFactory.java


I suspect you could get it going again if you have the fortitude to 
play around with Resin's source code and build your own.


Good luck,

Knut Forkalsrud

On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Aaron Freeman 
aaron.free...@layerz.com mailto:aaron.free...@layerz.com wrote:


SSL BEAST

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Re: [Resin-interest] BEAST SSL Attack

2013-01-02 Thread Aaron Freeman
Awesome, looking forward to it!

 

-a

 

 

 

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[mailto:resin-interest-boun...@caucho.com] On Behalf Of Scott Ferguson
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 3:37 PM
To: General Discussion for the Resin application server
Subject: Re: [Resin-interest] BEAST SSL Attack

 

On 1/2/13 11:58 AM, Aaron Freeman wrote:

We have now been scanned and been found to be non-compliant due to lack of
the ability to order ciphers.   Is there any timeframe we might expect even
a snapshot to have this capability?


I'll see if I can get a snapshot this week.

-- Scott




 

Thanks,

 

Aaron

 

 

From: resin-interest-boun...@caucho.com
[mailto:resin-interest-boun...@caucho.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Freeman
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 10:51 AM
To: 'General Discussion for the Resin application server'
Subject: Re: [Resin-interest] BEAST SSL Attack

 

Very good, I appreciate the feedback. 

 

Thanks,

 

Aaron

 

 

 

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[mailto:resin-interest-boun...@caucho.com] On Behalf Of Paul Cowan
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 9:02 AM
To: General Discussion for the Resin application server
Subject: Re: [Resin-interest] BEAST SSL Attack

 

Hi Folks,

 

Resin does not support SSLHonorCipherOrder yet.  We already received a
request from another customer and there is a feature request for this here:

 

http://bugs.caucho.com/view.php?id=5282

 

This is an OpenSSL feature, not JSSE.  We'll be implementing it in an
upcoming release.  Probably it will be in 4.0.44, as .43 is due for release
soon.

 

Thanks,

Paul

 

 

On Dec 5, 2012, at 8:13 AM, Aaron Freeman wrote:

 

Knut,

 

Thanks a bunch for your reply.   I saw you referencing another email you
sent, but this is the only one I saw come through the group.

 

At any rate, we are already using the cipher-suites feature, but in this
case that's not enough.   They are telling us that we actually have to be
able to prioritize the order that the suites are negotiated on the server
side.  The only cipher suites guaranteed not to have the BEAST attack issue
are ones that aren't wide-spread yet (TLSv1.1) however if we can put TLSv1.0
in a specific order that will suffice for PCI compliance.

 

This bug for Tomcat addresses the issue and gives good details about a
directive, SSLHonorCipherOrder, that handles the problem:
https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=53481

 

Any other ideas for Resin?

 

Aaron

 

 

From: resin-interest-boun...@caucho.com
[mailto:resin-interest-boun...@caucho.com] On Behalf Of Knut Forkalsrud
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 9:31 PM
To: General Discussion for the Resin application server
Subject: Re: [Resin-interest] BEAST SSL Attack

 

Actually, I got it wrong in my previous mail.  The feature should be
working.

There is a ticket describing the feature:
http://bugs.caucho.com/view.php?id=3593

 

On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Knut Forkalsrud knut-cau...@forkalsrud.org
wrote:

In the days of Resin 2.1.4 and onwards
http://www.caucho.com/resin-3.1/changes/changes-2.xtp  there was such a
feature, however it seems to have lapsed.  I remember because there was a
similar issue with MSIE
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q305217.

 

I my good old copy of Resin 3.1.8 there are remains the feature.

If you bring up the source code for
com.caucho.vfs.JsseSSLFactory.create(host, port)

you will find a block of code commented out.

 

Then there was a second incarnation where you could specify cipher suites.
That seems to have dies some time around Aug 2009 with the commit:
https://github.com/mdaniel/svn-caucho-com-resin/commit/96de31370ffd0153eb45f
c49725a9b796bc11224#modules/resin/src/com/caucho/vfs/JsseSSLFactory.java

 

I suspect you could get it going again if you have the fortitude to play
around with Resin's source code and build your own.

 

Good luck,

 

Knut Forkalsrud

 

 

On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Aaron Freeman aaron.free...@layerz.com
wrote:

SSL BEAST

 

 

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