Hi Max,
the patch you suggested has been cleaned up, reviewed and applied.
Since you contributed to Sage we will add you to
http://lite.sagemath.org/developer-map.html
if you are interested. Feel free to contact me off list for the
details.
Cheers,
Michael
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 1:57 AM, William Stein wrote:
Hi,
I'm giving a plenary talk at ISSAC in Linz, Austria this summer. I'm
supposed
to write a 2-page abstract/paper for the proceedings. I just wrote
something:
http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/tmp/abstract.pdf
BTW, asking for contributors is the surest way to get zero
contributors. You should invite people to try Sage (online) and to
download it so it runs faster.
Also, I thought of another great reason why they would like Sage.
Many of these people write their own libraries. Then you have to
write
On Apr 29, 11:57 pm, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm giving a plenary talk at ISSAC in Linz, Austria this summer. I'm supposed
to write a 2-page abstract/paper for the proceedings. I just wrote
something:
http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/tmp/abstract.pdf
I think what
I would be interested in real word use cases, which demonstrate, why
such a system is needed.
E.g., I think Simon king did some cool
things involving at least Singular, GAP, Cython...
On 30 Apr., 12:00, Roman Pearce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
BTW, asking for contributors is the surest way to get
I like it but perhaps I am prejudiced:-) IMHO, SAGE would be dead (or at least
a very lonely research project) if it weren't for the fact that it is
free and open source.
But also, design is an important factor.
Some ideas (I hesitate to call them suggestions since it seems fine as is):
1.
I agree somewhat with others here that you might want to make this a
little more 'technical'. I would start with your sentence Sage
itself is... - describe what it is first, then some of its
capabilities and technical advantages. As far as open-source and
free, I think the best thing is to
Dear Michael,
On Apr 30, 12:15 pm, Michael Brickenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would be interested in real word use cases, which demonstrate, why
such a system is needed.
E.g., I think Simon king did some cool
things involving at least Singular, GAP, Cython...
Do you call the
Hi,
On Apr 30, 12:26 pm, David Joyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
3. A specific example could be mentioned which smoothly integrates several
systems. As Michael B suggests, a group invariant computation in a number
field mixes GAP (for groups), Pari for the number field (is this correct?),
and
Hi Simon!
Do you call the computation of cohomology rings of finite p-groups a
real world application??
Sorry, I used the wrong terms.
I meant something like: nothing synthetic, just composing a few
features,
but demonstrating, how SAGE can be used to compute an
actual research problem.
I was
By the way, for me it matters most
that Python is a *beautiful* language.
Michael
On 30 Apr., 14:02, Michael Brickenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Simon! Do you call the computation of cohomology rings of finite p-groups
a
real world application??
Sorry, I used the wrong terms.
I
-- Forwarded message --
From: Gabriele Nebe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 6:18 AM
Subject: Re: Fwd: [sage-devel] A Sage Enhancement Proposal: Lattice Modules
To: William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dear William,
I am in the moment on a conference in Albania and
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 7:46 AM, Simon King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Michael,
On Apr 30, 12:15 pm, Michael Brickenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would be interested in real word use cases, which demonstrate, why
such a system is needed.
E.g., I think Simon king did some
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 12:02 AM, Bill Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 1:57 AM, William Stein wrote:
Hi,
I'm giving a plenary talk at ISSAC in Linz, Austria this summer. I'm
supposed
to write a 2-page abstract/paper for the proceedings. I just wrote
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 2:34 AM, Roman Pearce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Apr 29, 11:57 pm, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm giving a plenary talk at ISSAC in Linz, Austria this summer. I'm
supposed
to write a 2-page abstract/paper for the proceedings. I just wrote
Many thanks.
Regards, Max
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On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 3:26 AM, David Joyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I like it but perhaps I am prejudiced:-) IMHO, SAGE would be dead (or at
least
a very lonely research project) if it weren't for the fact that it is
free and open source.
Sage would certainly not be dead even if I
You seem to be anti-open source in your own work,
which is what *really* matters to you. It's my understanding
that you've written a very interesting library in computer
algebra and it is closed source. Correct me if I'm wrong,
but I have the impression you generally don't see the value
Hi,
I don't know if that is of any interest but someone around here might care
about the fact that Sage was probably the most mentioned (and cited)
mathematics software at the First Conference for Symbolic Computation and
Cryptography (SCC 2008) in Beijing.
Specifically, these
Dear Martin, dear William,
On Apr 30, 4:39 pm, Martin Albrecht [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
snip
If I
understood the e-mail correctly then Roman implied that at *this particular
meeting* asking for contributors might be perceived as annoying? Thus he
shared his opinion to help us to make the
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 7:39 AM, Martin Albrecht
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You seem to be anti-open source in your own work,
which is what *really* matters to you. It's my understanding
that you've written a very interesting library in computer
algebra and it is closed source.
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 7:48 AM, Martin Albrecht
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I don't know if that is of any interest but someone around here might care
about the fact that Sage was probably the most mentioned (and cited)
mathematics software at the First Conference for Symbolic
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 9:53 AM, William Stein wrote:
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 12:02 AM, Bill Page wrote:
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 1:57 AM, William Stein wrote:
I'm giving a plenary talk at ISSAC in Linz, Austria this summer. I'm
supposed
to write a 2-page
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Martin Albrecht
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I don't know if that is of any interest but someone around here might care
about the fact that Sage was probably the most mentioned (and cited)
mathematics software at the First Conference for Symbolic
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 8:10 AM, Bill Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
Bill,
Thanks for elaborating and clarifying your thoughts.
I've posted a new version of the abstract here:
http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/tmp/abstract2.pdf
You guys might dislike it even more. We'll see :-)
Hi,
Cython now has beautiful-to-behold documentation. See below.
-- Forwarded message --
From: Gabriel Gellner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Cython] Porting the Docs
To: Cython-dev [EMAIL PROTECTED]
So I have finished the first rough
So, I vote +1 to include it at least as an optional package. Making it
a standard part of SAGE
should IMHO wait until a solid FreeGroup and FinitelyPresentedGroup
(Python) class are created for SAGE. If I had more time I would do this
myself.
Yeah, it would be great if SAGE had support of
Dear William,
in line 3, it should be could, not ncould.
IMO, you should mention Cython. In fact, i started to use Sage mainly
because Cython made it possible to easily use the C-programs of my
boss. Otherwise i would have had tried to do everything in Singular.
But i guess you will mention
I think we also want some version of Denis Simon's indefinite LLL.
As a student of Henri Cohen he may have sworn a lifetime vow of
allegiance to pari; otherwise this might be something we could use to
lure him into Sage!
John
2008/4/30 William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
-- Forwarded
On Apr 30, 8:09 am, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The open source philosophy is the entire reason for the
existence of Sage.
That may be true, but it won't sell. There have been other open
source systems before Sage (Axiom, Maxima, ...) and very good
specialized systems (Singular,
I don't know if that is of any interest but someone around here might care
about the fact that Sage was probably the most mentioned (and cited)
mathematics software at the First Conference for Symbolic Computation and
Cryptography (SCC 2008) in Beijing.
Specifically, these
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 2:35 PM, root [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't know if that is of any interest but someone around here might
care
about the fact that Sage was probably the most mentioned (and cited)
mathematics software at the First Conference for Symbolic Computation
On Apr 30, 7:43 pm, David Joyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 2:35 PM, root [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
(disclaimer: I'm the person who set up the Magnus sourceforge site
and I worked for Gilbert Baumslag at City College)
Once I saw Magnus mentioned I figured Tim
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 11:13 AM, mabshoff
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Apr 30, 7:43 pm, David Joyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 2:35 PM, root [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
(disclaimer: I'm the person who set up the Magnus sourceforge site
and I worked for
On Apr 30, 2008, at 4:50 PM, root wrote:
But we've already had this discussion and it is clear that I'm
completely out-in-the-weeds, talking-nonsense, and obviously have
no idea how REAL-open-source-projects are done. So lets just leave
it where it left off before, which is that I've simply
Wasn't Magnus Tim Daly's main example of a project in trouble
development and usage-wise? From this thread:
http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel/browse_thread/thread/c65e235f83cb2cd1/93b5dc531e50bb1c?lnk=gstq=magnus#93b5dc531e50bb1c
Tim wrote:
the only person
who can properly maintain,
Hi,
How come we use the pexpect interface for singular to compute the
groebner basis as the default? It seems to me we should be using
malb's excellent libsingular wrapper.
sage: R.x,y = PolynomialRing(QQ,order='degrevlex')
sage: I=(x^2+3*x*y/2+y^2/2-3*x/2-3*y/2,x*y^2-x,y^3-y)*R
sage: %timeit
Hi Tim,
I compiled the last snapshot and it compiled in decent time, i.e. 14
minutes CPU time on sage.math.
On the other hand: I couldn't find the python bindings, neither in the
sf tarball nor the sf svn/cvs repo. Any pointers? I couldn't find any
reference to python in any file:
[EMAIL
I'm sure Martin will answer this, but I suspect is an oversight based
on common usage patterns - for most Groebner basis calculations, the
overhead of pexpect is insignificant.
-Marshall
On Apr 30, 2:09 pm, Yi Qiang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
How come we use the pexpect interface for
mabshoff wrote:
Hi Tim,
I compiled the last snapshot and it compiled in decent time, i.e. 14
minutes CPU time on sage.math.
I just compiled the sourceforge source and had to modify
backend/glib++/Integer.h and Rational.h. In each of those files, there
were two code blocks that defined
David,
But we've already had this discussion and it is clear that I'm
completely out-in-the-weeds, talking-nonsense, and obviously have
no idea how REAL-open-source-projects are done. So lets just leave
it where it left off before, which is that I've simply dropped the
attempt to give the
Jason, Please send me a diff-Naur patch of your changes. --Tim
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On the other hand: I couldn't find the python bindings, neither in the
sf tarball nor the sf svn/cvs repo. Any pointers? I couldn't find any
reference to python in any file:
The python bindings were created using SWIG. I'll see if I have a copy
(I no longer work at CCNY). Gilbert probably has
I WANT Sage to live. I want it to succeed. I want it to be the
lingua-franca of the business so that we can all post our results
in Sage at conferences. I want to be able to drag and drop
your publication onto my system and have your code just work,
your documentation just connect. I want to be
I think that generally new code in sage has been meeting a pretty high
standard. I think I am a good test case, since I have never been to a
Sage Days (except for the joint meetings in San Diego, when I was too
busy to interact a whole lot with other developers), and I often try
to figure out
On May 1, 1:06 am, root [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Tim,
I WANT Sage to live. I want it to succeed. I want it to be the
lingua-franca of the business so that we can all post our results
in Sage at conferences. I want to be able to drag and drop
your publication onto my system and have your
root wrote:
Jason, Please send me a diff-Naur patch of your changes. --Tim
I'm posting here for other people who may be trying to compile it.
These, of course, are quick hacks that get it to compile (equivalent to
commenting out the offending lines). If there is a quick test or two
that you
Michael,
On the other hand: I couldn't find the python bindings, neither in the
sf tarball nor the sf svn/cvs repo. Any pointers? I couldn't find any
reference to python in any file:
I found a copy of it. See
http://daly.axiom-developer.org/magnus_python.tgz
This will unpack into
root wrote:
I WANT Sage to live. I want it to succeed. I want it to be the
lingua-franca of the business so that we can all post our results
in Sage at conferences. I want to be able to drag and drop
your publication onto my system and have your code just work,
your documentation just
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 3:38 PM, root [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sage is dancing around like it has discovered something new and
wonderful.
Yes, I'm certainly pretty excited about the Sage project, especially
the many really interesting people involved in it!
But I've been in this business
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Jaap Spies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
root wrote:
I WANT Sage to live. I want it to succeed. I want it to be the
lingua-franca of the business so that we can all post our results
in Sage at conferences. I want to be able to drag and drop
your
But you still haven't told me: where is all this time going to come
from? I can't magically make more time appear. I have other things to
do. It's a damn shame.
http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/010186.html#010186
and, for the record, I vote for MaryAnn. :-)
Tim
On Apr 30, 2008, at 7:06 PM, root wrote:
I WANT Sage to live. I want it to succeed. I want it to be the
lingua-franca of the business so that we can all post our results
in Sage at conferences. I want to be able to drag and drop
your publication onto my system and have your code just work,
- It suffers from the I can do it better, do-it-yet-again-in-python
syndrome, where it will be discovered that python is too slow
so we need to rewrite it in Cython and do obscure, undocumented,
performance enhancing software hacks.
Unfortunately computers live in the physical
On May 1, 12:51 am, Gary Furnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- It suffers from the OpenMath communication issue (e.g. if you
take an Axiom expression, export it to maple, compute with it,
and re-import it to Axiom you have violated a lot of type
assumptions in Axiom, possibly
William Stein wrote:
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Jaap Spies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
root wrote:
I WANT Sage to live. I want it to succeed. I want it to be the
lingua-franca of the business so that we can all post our results
in Sage at conferences. I want to be able to drag and
Yeah! This has already helped me a lot. Many thanks to everyone
involved.
-M. Hampton
On Apr 30, 10:48 am, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
Cython now has beautiful-to-behold documentation. See below.
-- Forwarded message --
From: Gabriel Gellner [EMAIL
- It suffers from the OpenMath communication issue (e.g. if you
take an Axiom expression, export it to maple, compute with it,
and re-import it to Axiom you have violated a lot of type
assumptions in Axiom, possibly violated branch cut assumptions
(e.g. acosh), done invalid
I do believe that computational mathematics needs to become a more
rigorous subject. In fact, I'd like to see a piece of code written by
Tim upholding the standards he is advocating, where someone has taken
the time, because I would like to compare it to my own code and get
some ideas.
However,
My point was that information on branch cuts should either A) be
publicly available or B) preferably available as an export option.
Mathematica and Maple both do A. Perhaps B is the better answer for
open systems. In any event I stand by my point that this is only an
issue because people have a
I do believe that computational mathematics needs to become a more
rigorous subject. In fact, I'd like to see a piece of code written by
Tim upholding the standards he is advocating, where someone has taken
the time, because I would like to compare it to my own code and get
some ideas.
However,
root wrote:
The canonical example which is in-plan to write is based on the
paper in src/doc/primesp.spad.pamphlet
http://github.com/daly/axiom/tree/master/src/doc/primesp.spad.pamphlet
I obtained permission from the authors to use this paper in Axiom as
the basis for a canonical example.
On Thursday 01 May 2008, mhampton wrote:
I'm sure Martin will answer this, but I suspect is an oversight based
on common usage patterns - for most Groebner basis calculations, the
overhead of pexpect is insignificant.
Yes, this is one reason. Another reason is that interrupting the
* Tobias Eibach and Gunnar Völkel: Optimising Gröbner Bases on Bivium
(used Sage to implement attack)
* Burçin Eröcal: SCrypt: Using Symbolic Computation to Bridge the Gap
Between Algebra and Cryptography (module for Sage)
* Ralf-Philipp Weinmann and Johannes Buchmann: Distributed
My point was that information on branch cuts should either A) be
publicly available or B) preferably available as an export option.
Mathematica and Maple both do A. Perhaps B is the better answer for
open systems. In any event I stand by my point that this is only an
issue because people have a
Regarding ticket
http://sagetrac.org/sage_trac/ticket/3045
can someone explain to me what the gens and ngens methods are
supposed to mean? There seems to be a lot of inconsistency. For example:
sage: ZZ.gens()
(1,)
These are the additive generators.
Ditto here:
sage: GF(7).gens()
(1,)
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