Jeroen Demeyer wrote:
> Sage shouldn't support Debian. Debian should support Sage.
On a perhaps related note, Sage used to be about "building the car",
didn't it¹? I find it ironic how hard sage makes it for other projects
to rely on it in the way it itself relies on tons of third-party
package
On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 at 4:34:38 PM UTC-8, Volker Braun wrote:
>
> +1 for SageMath
>
>
> Also, +1 to CamelCase. We do have class! ;-)
>
+1
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> Also, +1 to CamelCase. We do have class! ;-)
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What about
sageMath
sage_Math
Sage_math
Or to really find empty trademark space:
Math Ages
Seat Ham G
Tag As Meh
Team Gash
Shag Meat
Has Mega T
Ah, Tags Me
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+1 for SageMath
Also, +1 to CamelCase. We do have class! ;-)
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I think SageMath is a good idea and there are far too many projects called
SAGE.
To me SageMath sounds much better than SageMaths, which I find curious as
in Australian English "Math" sounds awkward/wrong.
Andrew
On Wednesday, 18 February 2015 23:13:46 UTC+11, William wrote:
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> Hi Sage Develo
Hi!
On 2015-02-18, Nils Bruin wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 at 9:54:22 AM UTC-8, kcrisman wrote:
>
>> Or translations? Since "sage" and "math" are both *things* in many
>> (most?) languages... or is literal translation not useful with Sage, since
>> the erstwhile acronym wouldn't wo
Hi!
On 2015-02-18, John Cremona wrote:
> On 18 February 2015 at 12:13, William Stein wrote:
>> Personally, in the very long run I think this is the right thing to do
>> to help our users avoid confusion and to be respectful to the many
>> other projects called just "Sage". I don't want this to
+1 for sagemath or SageMath. It would definitely be better than continuing
to call it Sage.
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Le 18/02/2015 21:22, François Bissey a écrit :
On 02/19/15 01:25, Julien Puydt wrote:
Hi,
Le 18/02/2015 13:13, William Stein a écrit :
Hi Sage Developers,
Several people and events have suggested to me that the official name
of "Sage" should be filled out to be "SageMath", like the website
Please definitely not CamelCase.
It would be an over-indulgence to go python style sage_math.
But [Ss]agemath is surely best.
Regards,
Jan
On 18 February 2015 at 22:24, Dominique Laurain <
dominique.laurai...@orange.fr> wrote:
> +1 for SageMath
>
> from an old generation frenchie who prefers
Bravo et merci
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+1 for SageMath
from an old generation frenchie who prefers "les maths" (plural)
but agree for Math addendum which is very good improvement when you are
searching Internet about Sage
"SageMath" not sounding bad at all..
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On 02/19/15 01:25, Julien Puydt wrote:
Hi,
Le 18/02/2015 13:13, William Stein a écrit :
Hi Sage Developers,
Several people and events have suggested to me that the official name
of "Sage" should be filled out to be "SageMath", like the website url
(which is sagemath.org and has been since I bo
Le 18/02/2015 19:48, Jeroen Demeyer a écrit :
On 2015-02-18 19:35, Julien Puydt wrote:
Was such a backport really necessary ?
Well, you could always roll back #14894, but that's not exactly progress.
Couldn't the same have been
achieved using what's already available ?
I'm pretty sure the
On 2015-02-18 19:35, Julien Puydt wrote:
Was such a backport really necessary ?
Well, you could always roll back #14894, but that's not exactly progress.
Couldn't the same have been
achieved using what's already available ?
I'm pretty sure the answer is "no". The upstream patch was actually
r
Le 18/02/2015 19:15, maldun a écrit :
Maybe I'm missing something here, but aren't these test also badly stated?
This would be a good example why some tolerance should be included
if one test something with floating points: Every small change in some flop
somewhere in the
code will lead to a fai
Le 18/02/2015 19:24, Jeroen Demeyer a écrit :
On 2015-02-18 18:59, Julien Puydt wrote:
When I asked Bill about the cb_pari_err_handle patch, he asked why sage
wasn't using the standard pari error trapping mechanism.
That patch is a pure backport from upstream git. So what Sage uses is a
PARI
On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 at 9:54:22 AM UTC-8, kcrisman wrote:
> Or translations? Since "sage" and "math" are both *things* in many
> (most?) languages... or is literal translation not useful with Sage, since
> the erstwhile acronym wouldn't work?
>
And end up with something like "saliew
2015-02-18 19:24 UTC+01:00, Jeroen Demeyer :
> On 2015-02-18 18:59, Julien Puydt wrote:
>> When I asked Bill about the cb_pari_err_handle patch, he asked why sage
>> wasn't using the standard pari error trapping mechanism.
> That patch is a pure backport from upstream git. So what Sage uses is a
>
On 2015-02-18 18:54, kcrisman wrote:
Or translations?
Normally, you don't translate software names. "Windows" doesn't become
"Fenêtres" in French for example...
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On 2015-02-18 18:59, Julien Puydt wrote:
When I asked Bill about the cb_pari_err_handle patch, he asked why sage
wasn't using the standard pari error trapping mechanism.
That patch is a pure backport from upstream git. So what Sage uses is a
PARI error handling mechanism which is standard in PAR
Maybe I'm missing something here, but aren't these test also badly stated?
This would be a good example why some tolerance should be included
if one test something with floating points: Every small change in some flop
somewhere in the
code will lead to a fail.
I personally wouldn't call something
Le 18/02/2015 18:42, Jeroen Demeyer a écrit :
On 2015-02-18 18:04, Julien Puydt wrote:
In fact, whenever sage-the-distribution pretends to package a software
"foo" version "3.14", but patches it left and right, breaking both the
API and the ABI, that is a problem not only for debian, but for all
>
>
> I think capitalization is a language-specific ingredient that is not
> intrinsically part of the latin script, so I think it's reasonable to *not*
> prescribe a particular capitalization pattern with the name.
>
> In style guides it's of course quite appropriate to prescribe preferred
> c
On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 at 4:13:46 AM UTC-8, William wrote:
>
> Hi Sage Developers,
>
> Several people and events have suggested to me that the official name
> of "Sage" should be filled out to be "SageMath", like the website url
> (which is sagemath.org and has been since I bought it in
Hi,
I am Ramchandran, I am currently studying Mathematics and Computer Science
in BITS Pilani - Goa Campus , India. I am passionate about mathematics and
would love to contribute to sage but this would be my first open source
experience.
I have prior experience in coding with Python using nump
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Thierry
wrote:
> and explain that
> "sagemath" leads to better results in web searches.
btw, you get the by far best search result for "math software" (in
google and startpage, not bing/yahoo)
:-)
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On 2015-02-18 18:04, Julien Puydt wrote:
In fact, whenever sage-the-distribution pretends to package a software
"foo" version "3.14", but patches it left and right, breaking both the
API and the ABI, that is a problem not only for debian, but for all
serious distributions...
But what's the solut
On 2015-02-18 17:59, Bruno Grenet wrote:
It would be nice for both Debian and Sage to have Sage
included in Debian.
Nice, yes, but not at any cost. There are advantages, but we should also
consider the disadvantages.
The fact that Sage could only use stable, unpatched versions of packages
wou
Le 18/02/2015 18:21, Volker Braun a écrit :
On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 at 5:28:27 PM UTC+1, vdelecroix wrote:
I mean that we will not release a Sage version that would not support
debian packaging.
-1 to delaying a Sage version for $DISTRO to catch up.
Agreed!
Snark on #sagemath
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Le 18/02/2015 17:59, Bruno Grenet a écrit :
Le 18/02/2015 17:44, Jeroen Demeyer a écrit :
On 2015-02-18 17:22, Vincent Delecroix wrote:
Julien built an almost working prototype for a native sage on debian.
This implies out of the box installation for a lot of users (and
potentially much cleaner
On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 at 5:28:27 PM UTC+1, vdelecroix wrote:
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> I mean that we will not release a Sage version that would not support
> debian packaging.
-1 to delaying a Sage version for $DISTRO to catch up.
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Hi,
i already use "a.k.a. sagemath" on my presentations, and explain that
"sagemath" leads to better results in web searches.
I really much prefer Sagemath or sagemath than the CamelCase SageMath or
plural SageMaths, the only place i see CamelCase used in France are old
wikis. So,
+1 for Sagemat
+1 to SageMath.
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Le 18/02/2015 17:19, Jeroen Demeyer a écrit :
On 2015-02-18 15:51, Julien Puydt wrote:
Debian has pari 2.7.2 (packaged by Bill Allombert himself, so I guess he
knows what he's doing), while sage has 2.7.1.
How do you deal with the patches to PARI that Sage applies? I don't
think that Sage even
Le 18/02/2015 17:44, Jeroen Demeyer a écrit :
On 2015-02-18 17:22, Vincent Delecroix wrote:
Julien built an almost working prototype for a native sage on debian.
This implies out of the box installation for a lot of users (and
potentially much cleaner integration of third party softwares). The
Hi,
Le 18/02/2015 17:06, Jeroen Demeyer a écrit :
On 2015-02-18 16:46, Julien Puydt wrote:
Le 18/02/2015 15:57, Jeroen Demeyer a écrit :
On 2015-02-18 15:51, Julien Puydt wrote:
Is pari's output changing that often, that failing doctests could have
so little meaning?
Yes.
Then perhaps it's
On 2015-02-18 17:22, Vincent Delecroix wrote:
Julien built an almost working prototype for a native sage on debian.
This implies out of the box installation for a lot of users (and
potentially much cleaner integration of third party softwares). The
real question is:
does the Sage community
On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 at 1:13:46 PM UTC+1, William wrote:
>
> "SageMath", like the website url ...
>
+1 from me.
Hence this is #30 here: https://github.com/sagemath/website/issues/30
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2015-02-18 17:25 UTC+01:00, William Stein :
> On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Vincent Delecroix
> <20100.delecr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 2015-02-18 17:06 UTC+01:00, Jeroen Demeyer :
>>> On 2015-02-18 16:46, Julien Puydt wrote:
Le 18/02/2015 15:57, Jeroen Demeyer a écrit :
> On 2015-02-18
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Vincent Delecroix
<20100.delecr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2015-02-18 17:06 UTC+01:00, Jeroen Demeyer :
>> On 2015-02-18 16:46, Julien Puydt wrote:
>>> Le 18/02/2015 15:57, Jeroen Demeyer a écrit :
On 2015-02-18 15:51, Julien Puydt wrote:
> Is pari's output ch
Le 18/02/2015 17:03, mmarco a écrit :
> +1 to the change.
>
> Sagemath sounds more natural than Sagemaths to me.
>
> Should we update the way to cite it accordingly?
>
As a French guy, I would remark that our Holy Nicolas Bourbaki would
certainly appreciate "Sagemath" or "SageMath" but not "Sag
2015-02-18 17:06 UTC+01:00, Jeroen Demeyer :
> On 2015-02-18 16:46, Julien Puydt wrote:
>> Le 18/02/2015 15:57, Jeroen Demeyer a écrit :
>>> On 2015-02-18 15:51, Julien Puydt wrote:
Is pari's output changing that often, that failing doctests could have
so little meaning?
>>> Yes.
>>
>> Th
On 2015-02-18 15:51, Julien Puydt wrote:
Debian has pari 2.7.2 (packaged by Bill Allombert himself, so I guess he
knows what he's doing), while sage has 2.7.1.
How do you deal with the patches to PARI that Sage applies? I don't
think that Sage even compiles with vanilla PARI 2.7.x.
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On 2015-02-18 16:46, Julien Puydt wrote:
Le 18/02/2015 15:57, Jeroen Demeyer a écrit :
On 2015-02-18 15:51, Julien Puydt wrote:
Is pari's output changing that often, that failing doctests could have
so little meaning?
Yes.
Then perhaps it's a good idea to replace those two results (32-bit an
+1 to the change.
Sagemath sounds more natural than Sagemaths to me.
Should we update the way to cite it accordingly?
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Le 18/02/2015 15:57, Jeroen Demeyer a écrit :
On 2015-02-18 15:51, Julien Puydt wrote:
Is pari's output changing that often, that failing doctests could have
so little meaning?
Yes.
Then perhaps it's a good idea to replace those two results (32-bit and
64-bit) by a single "tol" one?
Snark
Hi everyone,
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this spring in Montreal:
PyCon: April 8 -12
Sage Days: April 13 - 16 (during PyCon sprints)
All informations here: http://wiki.sagemath.org/days67
Especially, if you intend to come to PyCon: register quicly!
+1 from me.
On Wednesday 18 Feb 2015 07:13:03 William Stein wrote:
> Hi Sage Developers,
>
> Several people and events have suggested to me that the official name
> of "Sage" should be filled out to be "SageMath", like the website url
> (which is sagemath.org and has been since I bought it in 200
On 2015-02-18 15:51, Julien Puydt wrote:
Is pari's output changing that often, that failing doctests could have
so little meaning?
Yes.
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Le 18/02/2015 15:21, Jeroen Demeyer a écrit :
On 2015-02-18 13:53, Julien Puydt wrote:
Hi,
I'm having strange numerical behaviour with my experimental sage using
debian packages
Which versions of Sage and PARI do you use? I guess that's the difference.
Debian has pari 2.7.2 (packaged b
On 2015-02-18 13:13, William Stein wrote:
The
actual command name and "sage:" prompt wouldn't change
Good. I would find it annoying if any of these changed.
I agree with everything you said and I prefer "SageMath" to "SageMaths".
In fact "SageMath" is already used in some places precisely becau
On 2015-02-18 13:53, Julien Puydt wrote:
Hi,
I'm having strange numerical behaviour with my experimental sage using
debian packages
Which versions of Sage and PARI do you use? I guess that's the difference.
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0 jan@muizenberg:~$dpkg -S /usr/bin/sagemath
sagemath-upstream-binary: /usr/bin/sagemath
I've already added that in the PPA due to the same reasons ;)
And it lives in /usr/lib/sagemath.
I'd advocate even chaging the command line on the long run (support both
for a few years).
Most important -
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 7:54 AM, Vincent Delecroix
<20100.delecr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Good idea. The current situation is confusing. What is the motivation
> for the Caml case instead of "sagemath" or "Sagemath"?
>
> In the same time we could update the awful mission statement to
> someth
I've been out of Australia now for a decade or so, but I'm not North
American and SageMath sounds fine to me.
Actually, when I saw the name SageMaths I thought, "why on earth would
anyone call something SageMaths", and then I realised the Maths was a
non-American abbreviation for Mathematics th
Hi,
Good idea. The current situation is confusing. What is the motivation
for the Caml case instead of "sagemath" or "Sagemath"?
In the same time we could update the awful mission statement to
something more positive like: "Open source mathematics". The are a lot
of bullshit in the Ma's and I do
Hi,
I'm having strange numerical behaviour with my experimental sage using
debian packages, with two failing doctests in the src/sage/libs/pari/
directory (both in gen.pyx) :
Failed example:
(s*z)^5
Expected:
2.00 - 1.08420217248550 E-19*I
Got:
2.00 + 0.E-1
On 18 February 2015 at 12:13, William Stein wrote:
> Hi Sage Developers,
>
> Several people and events have suggested to me that the official name
> of "Sage" should be filled out to be "SageMath", like the website url
> (which is sagemath.org and has been since I bought it in 2006).One
> moti
Hi,
Le 18/02/2015 13:13, William Stein a écrit :
Hi Sage Developers,
Several people and events have suggested to me that the official name
of "Sage" should be filled out to be "SageMath", like the website url
(which is sagemath.org and has been since I bought it in 2006).One
motivation is t
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 7:13 AM, William Stein wrote:
> Hi Sage Developers,
>
> Several people and events have suggested to me that the official name
> of "Sage" should be filled out to be "SageMath", like the website url
> (which is sagemath.org and has been since I bought it in 2006).One
> m
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:45 PM, Ralf Stephan wrote:
> Not to mutate this thread but comparing software with buildings
> rarely takes requirement changes into account, like changed use
> of buildings, or, with Sage, tool changes like Py2-->3. Which
> seems stalling at a point where the easy fixes
Hi Sage Developers,
Several people and events have suggested to me that the official name
of "Sage" should be filled out to be "SageMath", like the website url
(which is sagemath.org and has been since I bought it in 2006).One
motivation is that a trademark search [1] for Sage shows over 1100
Hello everybody,
This email is just here to share the news that our documentation can
now "relatively easily" be improved by sage-generated pictures. This
feature appeared in Sage 6.6.beta0.
To draw the function x->x^2 in a docstring, you have to write the following:
.. PLOT::
sphin
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