Re: [sage-devel] Re: Democratic issue: rushing decisions

A suggestion for votes for sage development process: 1. Anyone can call for a vote for a relevant issue for sage development. 2. A vote must be preceded by a discussion on the issue on sage-devel, where the date and the duration of the vote is determined. A vote lasts at least a week. 3. If

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Democratic issue: rushing decisions

On Wed, Oct 5, 2022 at 8:09 PM John H Palmieri wrote: > > The main response I saw to the requests for a slower process was from David > Roe, saying, "Finally, since we're just voting on trac vs github I don't > think there's a need to draw out the discussion until October 1, and several >

[sage-devel] Re: Democratic issue: rushing decisions

The main response I saw to the requests for a slower process was from David Roe, saying, "Finally, since we're just voting on trac vs github I don't think there's a need to draw out the discussion until October 1, and several people (William and Dima) have made arguments for making a decision

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Democratic issue: rushing decisions

I must have been what Dutch would call "direct", English "undiplomatic" and French "violent", I guess. On Wed, 5 Oct 2022, 20:31 Matthias Koeppe, wrote: > Sorry, bad link, I meant to paste this link: > https://groups.google.com/g/sage-devel/c/ayOL8_bzOfk/m/5jotDDgyBwAJ > > On Wednesday, October

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Democratic issue: rushing decisions

Sorry, bad link, I meant to paste this link: https://groups.google.com/g/sage-devel/c/ayOL8_bzOfk/m/5jotDDgyBwAJ On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 12:29:50 PM UTC-7 Matthias Koeppe wrote: > I'm guessing that this must be a language barrier at work here, > but these accusations of using

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Democratic issue: rushing decisions

I'm guessing that this must be a language barrier at work here, but these accusations of using "violence" (first occurrence, https://cfce091fecee537040d612098a22852d9f083c36--sagemath-tobias.netlify.app/developer/index.html#welcome-to-the-sage-developer-s-guide) are by far the most offensive

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Democratic issue: rushing decisions

On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 11:44:37 AM UTC-7 vdelecroix wrote: > I do not interpret Thierry message as an attempt to change the issue > of the vote. > It's probably better if Thierry could clarify that. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Democratic issue: rushing decisions

Dear all, I do not interpret Thierry message as an attempt to change the issue of the vote. Most of the answers focused on this particular point and hence look completely off topic to me. More dramatically they are also very rude in that they try to discredit what Thierry attempted to share. I

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Democratic issue: rushing decisions

I will also note that the final vote in favor of moving to github was 46 to 8 in favor. Another few weeks of discussion, on top of the substantial amount of time spent over the last few months (in fact, over the last decade), is unlikely to have changed the outcome. David On Wed, Oct 5, 2022 at

Re: [sage-devel] Re: VOTE: move Sage development to Github

Thanks to everyone for voting! The final results are 46 in favor of moving to Github and 8 against. There is still a lot of work to be done to carry out the transition, and we'll be coordinating on this wiki page and this trac

[sage-devel] Re: Democratic issue: rushing decisions

On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 3:11:12 AM UTC-7 Thierry (sage-googlesucks@xxx) wrote: > several developers asked for delays [...] > [1,2,3,4,5,6]. This is a misrepresentation of most of the 6 cited messages. I'll just point out one specifically: > > [3] Vincent : "For me the discussion

Re: [sage-devel] Democratic issue: rushing decisions

> several developers asked for delays The only governance mechanism we have for decision making in the Sage project currently is a vote of the entire dev community. Thus there is no way to consider your request to delay voting aside from having even more voting. -- William On Wed, Oct 5,

[sage-devel] Re: Democratic issue: rushing decisions

Hi Thierry, It was to be expected that you'd send a message trying to question the legitimacy of the poll; I was only wondering whether it would arrive before or after the voting deadline. It is the opposite of constructive. On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 3:11:12 AM UTC-7 Thierry

Re: [sage-devel] Re: VOTE: move Sage development to Github

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[sage-devel] Re: VOTE: move Sage development to Github

-1 (if we decide to move out of trac, then +1 for self hosted gitlab) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To

Re: [sage-devel] Re: VOTE: move Sage development to Github

-1 On Tuesday, 4 October 2022 at 19:06:07 UTC-4 David Roe wrote: > Just a reminder that voting ends tomorrow (noon EDT, 16:00 UTC), so if > you've been putting off voting you should do so now. > David > > On Tue, Oct 4, 2022 at 7:39 AM Alex J Best wrote: > >> +1 for github >> >> On Wednesday,

[sage-devel] Democratic issue: rushing decisions

Hi, several developers asked for delays, to respect people with a busy schedule, to allow a constructive debate, to explore all possibilities, to move away from the noise and confusion related to a minor event [1,2,3,4,5,6]. Democracy is not a race, i wish such a simple and reasonable request to