Re: [sage-devel] What was/is/will be the purpose of maintaining the Sage distribution?

2023-05-23 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On Mon, 2023-05-22 at 12:50 -0700, Matthias Koeppe wrote: > > On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 1:45:31 PM UTC-7 TB wrote: > > Should `sage -i pandoc`, at least in an interactive session, first > recommend to install it from the distro, and not default to conda? > Eventually I think the "sage"

Re: [sage-devel] What was/is/will be the purpose of maintaining the Sage distribution?

2023-05-22 Thread Matthias Koeppe
On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 2:08:40 PM UTC-7 Matthias Koeppe wrote: On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 1:45:31 PM UTC-7 TB wrote: Should `sage -i pandoc`, at least in an interactive session, first recommend to install it from the distro, and not default to conda? I wouldn't want "./sage -i

Re: [sage-devel] What was/is/will be the purpose of maintaining the Sage distribution?

2023-05-06 Thread tobia...@gmx.de
What is now the plan of action? In my experience, the conda workflow is currently already more stable than using sage distribution. Conda so far never failed to install a dependency for me (but there were some minor hick-ups with the integration in sage from time to time), while I was always

Re: [sage-devel] What was/is/will be the purpose of maintaining the Sage distribution?

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Re: [sage-devel] What was/is/will be the purpose of maintaining the Sage distribution?

2023-04-29 Thread Matthias Koeppe
Sure, but these just the first few packages. Better list: https://github.com/sagemath/sage/issues/35583 On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 5:10:43 PM UTC-7 Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On Sat, 2023-04-29 at 13:10 -0700, Matthias Koeppe wrote: > > > > This drops platform support for 32-bit Linux (see

Re: [sage-devel] What was/is/will be the purpose of maintaining the Sage distribution?

2023-04-29 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On Sat, 2023-04-29 at 13:10 -0700, Matthias Koeppe wrote: > > This drops platform support for 32-bit Linux (see > https://github.com/sagemath/sage/wiki/Sage-9.8-Release-Tour#availability-of-sage-98-and-installation-help) > > for these optional packages. We will need a decision if this OK. >

Re: [sage-devel] What was/is/will be the purpose of maintaining the Sage distribution?

2023-04-29 Thread Matthias Koeppe
On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 1:45:31 PM UTC-7 TB wrote: Should `sage -i pandoc`, at least in an interactive session, first recommend to install it from the distro, and not default to conda? I missed this detail about "sage -i" in my response above. This is an interesting idea, but is

Re: [sage-devel] What was/is/will be the purpose of maintaining the Sage distribution?

2023-04-29 Thread Matthias Koeppe
On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 1:45:31 PM UTC-7 TB wrote: On 29/04/2023 23:10, Matthias Koeppe wrote: In this PR (https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/35585), the three optional packagesinfo, valgrind, rubiks are switched from our custom installation scripts to a (binary) installation from

Re: [sage-devel] What was/is/will be the purpose of maintaining the Sage distribution?

2023-04-29 Thread TB
On 29/04/2023 23:10, Matthias Koeppe wrote: In this PR (https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/35585), the three optional packagesinfo, valgrind, rubiks are switched from our custom installation scripts to a (binary) installation from

Re: [sage-devel] What was/is/will be the purpose of maintaining the Sage distribution?

2023-04-29 Thread Matthias Koeppe
In this PR (https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/35585), the three optional packagesinfo, valgrind, rubiks are switched from our custom installation scripts to a (binary) installation from conda-forge. This drops platform support for 32-bit Linux (see

Re: [sage-devel] What was/is/will be the purpose of maintaining the Sage distribution?

2023-04-29 Thread Matthias Koeppe
That's now https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/35585 (needs review); starting with optional packages, not standard infrastructure packages though. On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 12:14:56 AM UTC-7 Volker Braun wrote: > +1 to just using conda for all basic infrastructure packages if the host

Re: [sage-devel] What was/is/will be the purpose of maintaining the Sage distribution?

2023-04-29 Thread Volker Braun
+1 to just using conda for all basic infrastructure packages if the host doesn't have them. Just put a conda env in the PATH and done. In my experience these work really well. I've only gotten issues with conda when you veer off the trodden path too much, e.g. I've had nothing but trouble

Re: [sage-devel] What was/is/will be the purpose of maintaining the Sage distribution?

2023-04-28 Thread Matthias Koeppe
On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 1:24:01 AM UTC-7 Dima Pasechnik wrote: The next in line will be jupyter and friends. I agree with this point; specifically the front-end parts of Jupyter/JupyterLab, which run in a separate Python process (and therefore can be installed in a completely separate

Re: [sage-devel] What was/is/will be the purpose of maintaining the Sage distribution?

2023-04-27 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 2:15 AM Matthias Koeppe wrote: > > A previous sage-devel thread led to this question, which I think is important > and timely to discuss. > > **What was/is/will be the *purpose* of maintaining the Sage distribution?** > (Historically; as of today; and looking forward by a

[sage-devel] What was/is/will be the purpose of maintaining the Sage distribution?

2023-04-26 Thread Matthias Koeppe
A previous sage-devel thread led to this question, which I think is important and timely to discuss. **What was/is/will be the *purpose* of maintaining the Sage distribution?** (Historically; as of today; and looking forward by a year or two.) Here are some of my thoughts on this question: 1.