Re: [sage-devel] What was/is/will be the purpose of maintaining the Sage distribution?

2023-04-28 Thread Matthias Koeppe
On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 1:24:01 AM UTC-7 Dima Pasechnik wrote: The next in line will be jupyter and friends. I agree with this point; specifically the front-end parts of Jupyter/JupyterLab, which run in a separate Python process (and therefore can be installed in a completely separate

Re: [sage-devel] Re: What was/is/will be the purpose of maintaining the Sage distribution?

2023-04-28 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On Fri, 2023-04-28 at 18:06 +0100, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > > To me at least, it would be unwise not run the test suite. > > If you are choosing to use 15-20 year old hardware, you can not reasonably > to handle a large modern program like Sagemath. More modern machines than > that get thrown

Re: [sage-devel] Re: What was/is/will be the purpose of maintaining the Sage distribution?

2023-04-28 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 at 15:49, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > > The test suite can take another full day to run -- some of > that is useful, but a lot is not. This is the biggest impediment to the > use and development of sage on an old system. To me at least, it would be unwise not run the test

Re: [sage-devel] Re: What was/is/will be the purpose of maintaining the Sage distribution?

2023-04-28 Thread John H Palmieri
On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 2:54:47 PM UTC-7 Isuru Fernando wrote: I guess there are several requirements we need 1. Support for all major OS/architecture combinations 2. Easy to build for rare OS/architecture combinations 3. Possible to install as a non-root user 4. Binaries are available

Re: [sage-devel] Re: What was/is/will be the purpose of maintaining the Sage distribution?

2023-04-28 Thread kcrisman
(I'm planning upgrades in the next year or two, but it will be to relatively low power RISC-V hardware. There are moral, legal, environmental, and other non-financial reasons why people use "old" hardware. But of course the financial reasons are very real too.) Agreed on all points.

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-04-28 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On Thu, 2023-04-27 at 12:37 -0700, Matthias Koeppe wrote: > A problem only arises when you try to build a bleeding-edge sage on an older > stable distro -- an undertaking unsupported by most projects. > > Is it? I would say that Sage is very special in this regard because of its > extreme