Jill, If a machine reports 0 users, and you know there are something like 20 logged on, the problem isn't that serious, it's just that they (terminal emulator, or terminal itself) can't write to utmp, or wtmp (damn caffeine-deprived mind.) When my machines do this, i usually chmod 4755 the binary (not the best solution, granted), but if those 20 users are telnet'ing or ssh'ing in, i'm fairly stuffed in which program can't write to u/wtmp. Steve "No bandwidth and no caffeine make techie go something something" -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text