Re: [Soc-coordination] mentoring programs in Debian

2013-03-16 Thread Ana Guerrero
[Dropped -vote] On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 08:48:33PM +, Wolodja Wentland wrote: [...] Would you mind elaborating on this? The background to this is that I am currently considering mentoring the Leiningen Clojure packaging project [0] and your comments make me think twice about commiting to

Re: [Soc-coordination] mentoring programs in Debian

2013-03-16 Thread Wolodja Wentland
On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 15:07 +0100, Ana Guerrero wrote: [Dropped -vote] On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 08:48:33PM +, Wolodja Wentland wrote: [...] Would you mind elaborating on this? The background to this is that I am currently considering mentoring the Leiningen Clojure packaging

Re: [Soc-coordination] mentoring programs in Debian

2013-03-16 Thread Russ Allbery
Ana Guerrero a...@debian.org writes: I see your point. In these cases, the mentor was more treating the GSoC program as a bounty program or a way to have contractors paid at the expense of somebody else. It wasn't a real mentoring scheme. Ah, yes, that's certainly a problem. This kind of

Re: [Soc-coordination] mentoring programs in Debian

2013-03-13 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 11:54:44AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 2:55 AM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Ubuntu does https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek - a set of seminars on IRC to teach Ubuntu development. I'm not sure of how useful that is (I've never attended it) and

Re: [Soc-coordination] mentoring programs in Debian

2013-03-13 Thread Vincent Cheng
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Lucas Nussbaum lu...@debian.org wrote: snip And I also think that in terms of internship programs (=~ full-time work inside the project during the summer), we should explore joining other programs and/or creating our own. If there's anything that I hope to see

Re: [Soc-coordination] mentoring programs in Debian

2013-03-13 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 13/03/13 at 08:03 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 11:54:44AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 2:55 AM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Ubuntu does https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek - a set of seminars on IRC to teach Ubuntu development. I'm not

Re: [Soc-coordination] mentoring programs in Debian

2013-03-12 Thread Ana Guerrero
Hi Russ, On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 03:03:42PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Ana Guerrero a...@debian.org writes: - For some DDs in previous years, this seemed to be a way to have students doing stuff from their TODO lists... Just a quick note on this part: I don't think this is inherently

Re: [Soc-coordination] mentoring programs in Debian

2013-03-12 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 12/03/13 at 14:14 +0100, Ana Guerrero wrote: Hi Russ, On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 03:03:42PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Ana Guerrero a...@debian.org writes: - For some DDs in previous years, this seemed to be a way to have students doing stuff from their TODO lists... Just a

Re: [Soc-coordination] mentoring programs in Debian

2013-03-12 Thread gregor herrmann
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 19:55:42 +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: schools/seminars -- Ubuntu does https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek - a set of seminars on IRC to teach Ubuntu development. I'm not sure of how useful that is (I've never attended it) and if we should do it

Re: [Soc-coordination] mentoring programs in Debian

2013-03-12 Thread Wolodja Wentland
Hi Ana, On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 14:14 +0100, Ana Guerrero wrote: I see your point. In these cases, the mentor was more treating the GSoC program as a bounty program or a way to have contractors paid at the expense of somebody else. It wasn't a real mentoring scheme. This kind of mentoring

Re: [Soc-coordination] mentoring programs in Debian

2013-03-12 Thread Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
On Tue 12 Mar 2013 17:56:10 Ana Guerrero escribió: [snip] Yeah, and also the GSoC have a huge disadvantage, it is available only to a tiny small percentage of the population who have the privilege of getting a higher education, then only if their school load and life responsibilities allow

Re: [Soc-coordination] mentoring programs in Debian

2013-03-12 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, On 12/03/13 at 21:56 +0100, Ana Guerrero wrote: On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 07:50:27PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: On 12/03/13 at 14:14 +0100, Ana Guerrero wrote: .. This kind of mentoring let's package this new software stack (and create a team to maintain it, when it doesn't

Re: [Soc-coordination] mentoring programs in Debian

2013-03-12 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 2:55 AM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Ubuntu does https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek - a set of seminars on IRC to teach Ubuntu development. I'm not sure of how useful that is (I've never attended it) and if we should do it too. AFAIK we don't do that inside Debian.