Re: [Starlink] [Bloat] L4S

2024-05-08 Thread Rich Brown via Starlink
Let's split this thread and use this message to continue the discussion of L4S. Thanks > On May 8, 2024, at 5:31 AM, David Fernández via Starlink > wrote: > > I see that L4S is not really solving everything (I read about issues with > Wi-Fi), although it seems to be a step in the right

Re: [Starlink] The "reasons" that bufferbloat isn't a problem

2024-05-07 Thread Rich Brown via Starlink
Hi Gene, > On May 6, 2024, at 8:38 PM, Eugene Y Chang wrote: > > It seems like you signed off on this challenge. Don’t do that. Help give me > the tools to push this to the next level. Not at all - I'm definitely signed up for this. But I collected all these points so we can be clear-eyed

Re: [Starlink] The "reasons" that bufferbloat isn't a problem

2024-05-06 Thread Rich Brown via Starlink
Thanks! I just posted to: https://randomneuronsfiring.com/all-the-reasons-that-bufferbloat-isnt-a-problem/ It has mild edits from the original to address a broader audience. Also posted to the bloat list. Rich > On May 6, 2024, at 3:05 PM, Frantisek Borsik > wrote: > > Hey Rich, > >

[Starlink] The "reasons" that bufferbloat isn't a problem

2024-05-06 Thread Rich Brown via Starlink
Hi Gene, I've been vacillating on whether to send this note, but have decided to pull the trigger. I apologize in advance for the "Debbie Downer" nature of this message. I also apologize for any errors, omissions, or over-simplifications of the "birth of bufferbloat" story and its fixes.

Re: [Starlink] It’s the Latency, FCC

2024-04-30 Thread Rich Brown via Starlink
> On Apr 30, 2024, at 6:10 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > > I think that the starlink results will create competitive pressure on the > landline ISPs (and starlink will continue their rapid growth, being that they > drop their next hop direct into multiple cdns). Of course, it's important to

Re: [Starlink] [Rpm] [Bloat] [LibreQoS] net neutrality back in the news

2023-09-29 Thread Rich Brown via Starlink
Thank you Jonathan for this clear description of the issues and their history. I wonder if there's a fourth one - privacy. Rosenworcel's talk https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-397257A1.pdf also points out that ISPs might want to monetize our traffic patterns and location data. (This

Re: [Starlink] [Bloat] [LibreQoS] Enabling a production model

2023-03-29 Thread Rich Brown via Starlink
> On Mar 29, 2023, at 1:13 PM, David Lang via Starlink > wrote: > > The problem is that laying cable (or provisioning wifi access to cover the > area) is expensive, and if you try to have multiple different companies doing > it, they each need a minimum density of users to make it worth

Re: [Starlink] Annoyed at 5/1 Mbps...

2023-03-21 Thread Rich Brown via Starlink
> On Mar 21, 2023, at 1:21 AM, Frantisek Borsik via Rpm > wrote: > > Now, I hope to really piss You off with the following statement :-P but: > > even sub 5/1 Mbps “broadband” in Africa with bufferbloat fixed on as many > hops along the internet journey from a data center to the customers