Fedora 18 updates-testing report

2012-09-25 Thread updates
The following Fedora 18 Security updates need testing: Age URL 17 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-13510/xen-4.1.3-3.fc18 6 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-14279/phpldapadmin-1.2.2-3.gitbbedf1.fc18 13

Re: Selinux in development releases

2012-09-25 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 09/25/2012 02:10 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: Definitely not. Enforcing mode and Permissive mode are not equivalent. SELinux/Permission Denied can cause things to crash. I have been working since last week on SELinux/Systemd problems that happen in early boot, and would only be seen in

Re: Release criterion proposal: upgrade methods

2012-09-25 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 04:06:23PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: You could certainly make the case, yeah. Given that our excuse for people who say 'you have to upgrade every six months' is to say 'no you don't, because we support releases for 12, you can just upgrade every second release!', so

Re: Selinux in development releases

2012-09-25 Thread John . Florian
From: Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com To: test@lists.fedoraproject.org Date: 09/24/2012 16:25 Subject: Re: Selinux in development releases Sent by: test-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org On 09/24/2012 08:16 PM, drago01 wrote: On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:13 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson

Re: Selinux in development releases

2012-09-25 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
JF == John Florian john.flor...@dart.biz writes: JF I do wish there was some master switch to temporarily enable logging JF for them. You mean, besides the existing disable dontaudit rules switch? Just run semoduile -DB. It's pretty much mandatory to do that first when debugging selinux

Re: Selinux in development releases

2012-09-25 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 07:21:32AM -0500, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: You mean, besides the existing disable dontaudit rules switch? Just run semoduile -DB. It's pretty much mandatory to do that first when debugging selinux problems. Could this be added to

Re: Selinux in development releases

2012-09-25 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 09/25/2012 12:42 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 07:21:32AM -0500, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: You mean, besides the existing disable dontaudit rules switch? Just run semoduile -DB. It's pretty much mandatory to do that first when debugging selinux problems. Could this

rawhide report: 20120925 changes

2012-09-25 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Compose started at Tue Sep 25 08:15:11 UTC 2012 Broken deps for x86_64 -- [almanah] almanah-0.8.0-7.fc18.x86_64 requires libedataserverui-3.0.so.3()(64bit) almanah-0.8.0-7.fc18.x86_64 requires

Re: Selinux in development releases

2012-09-25 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:55:19PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 07:21:32AM -0500, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: You mean, besides the existing disable dontaudit rules switch? Just run semoduile -DB. It's pretty much mandatory to do that first when debugging

Re: Selinux in development releases

2012-09-25 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
MM == Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org writes: MM Of course. However, it might be better if someone who has better MM understanding of exactly what that does and how to use it (e.g., MM Jason) would do it, including adding a little bit of surrounding MM text. I'm just aping one of Dan's

Re: Selinux in development releases

2012-09-25 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/25/2012 08:42 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 07:21:32AM -0500, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: You mean, besides the existing disable dontaudit rules switch? Just run semoduile -DB. It's pretty much mandatory to do that

Re: Selinux in development releases

2012-09-25 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/25/2012 08:42 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 07:21:32AM -0500, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: You mean, besides the existing disable dontaudit rules switch? Just run semoduile -DB. It's pretty much mandatory to do that

Re: test Digest, Vol 103, PoeIssue 1

2012-09-25 Thread faisy2
Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Warid. -Original Message- From: test-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org Sender: test-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 13:59:02 To: test@lists.fedoraproject.org Reply-To: test@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: test Digest, Vol

Re: [Test-Announce] Join Fedora X Test Week - Nouveau, Radeon, Intel (2012-09-25 - 2012-09-27)

2012-09-25 Thread Adam Jackson
On 9/24/12 8:15 PM, John Reiser wrote: If it is known that any Radeon card less than Radeon 9600 won't work satisfactorily in the default Gnome3 desktop, then Fedora should admit it up front, and raise the minimum stated requirements. I'm sure the docs team takes patches. But also: that's

Re: test Digest, Vol 103, PoeIssue 1

2012-09-25 Thread Frank Murphy
On 25/09/12 02:07, fai...@gmail.com wrote: Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Warid. your phone not that smart it seems :D -- Regards, Frank Jack of all, fubars -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test

Re: Selinux in development releases

2012-09-25 Thread John . Florian
From: Jason L Tibbitts III ti...@math.uh.edu JF == John Florian john.flor...@dart.biz writes: JF I do wish there was some master switch to temporarily enable logging JF for them. You mean, besides the existing disable dontaudit rules switch? Just run semoduile -DB. It's pretty much

Re: Selinux in development releases

2012-09-25 Thread John . Florian
From: Jason L Tibbitts III ti...@math.uh.edu I'm something of an idiot when it comes to selinux; I used to know just enough to get a reasonable bug report out, but now I've even forgotten most of that. I do know, however, that turning off dontaudit rules can save your sanity, because _way_

Re: Selinux in development releases

2012-09-25 Thread John . Florian
From: john.flor...@dart.biz I was going to suggest that this should be noted at http:// fedoraproject.org/wiki/SELinux/Troubleshooting, but I see it already is. Perhaps I should start reading all of my mail before responding to any of it. Anyway, I'm very happy to see the addition on that

Re: Selinux in development releases

2012-09-25 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/25/2012 11:11 AM, john.flor...@dart.biz wrote: From: Jason L Tibbitts III ti...@math.uh.edu I'm something of an idiot when it comes to selinux; I used to know just enough to get a reasonable bug report out, but now I've even forgotten most of

Fedora 18 updates-testing report

2012-09-25 Thread updates
automake17-1.7.9-17.fc18 bdii-5.2.13-1.fc18 ceelog-0.1-1.fc18 ftp-0.17-60.fc18 libmatecomponentui-1.4.0-2.fc18 libsrtp-1.4.4-6.20101004cvs.fc18 libvirt-0.10.2-3.fc18 linux-firmware-20120925-0.1.git236367d.fc18 man-pages-ja-20120915-1.fc18 mate-window-manager-1.4.1-8

Re: [criteria update] Package set

2012-09-25 Thread Kamil Paral
Thanks. Current version: 'The installer must be able to install each of the release blocking desktops, as well as the minimal package set, with each supported installation method' The discussion died off, this is the latest proposal. If there are no more proposed changes in wording or

[Test-Announce] 2012-09-26 @ 16:00 UTC - F18 Beta Blocker Bug Review #1

2012-09-25 Thread Tim Flink
# F18 Beta Blocker Review meeting #1 # Date: 2012-09-05 # Time: 16:00 UTC [1] (12:00 EDT, 09:00 PDT) # Location: #fedora-bugzappers on irc.freenode.net This is a little earlier than on the schedule, but we already have 30 proposed blockers to run through and waiting longer won't make them go

Re: The future of how to debug pages

2012-09-25 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2012-09-24 at 20:31 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 09/24/2012 08:25 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:29:39 + Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: A while back I started the initiative and writing how to debug pages for QA Community to use and

Re: Release criterion proposal: upgrade methods

2012-09-25 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2012-09-25 at 08:15 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 04:06:23PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: You could certainly make the case, yeah. Given that our excuse for people who say 'you have to upgrade every six months' is to say 'no you don't, because we support

Re: [criteria update] Package set

2012-09-25 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2012-09-25 at 12:46 -0400, Kamil Paral wrote: Thanks. Current version: 'The installer must be able to install each of the release blocking desktops, as well as the minimal package set, with each supported installation method' The discussion died off, this is the latest

2012-09-24 - Fedora QA Meeting - recap

2012-09-25 Thread Adam Williamson
As always, minutes and IRC transcript available on the wiki at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20120924 Next meeting is scheduled for 2012-10-01 at 1500 UTC in #fedora-meeting. If you have topics you think we should bring up at the meeting, please add them to the Wiki page at

Re: The future of how to debug pages

2012-09-25 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 09/25/2012 07:54 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: I don't see that that follows logically at*all*. The two just seem like totally different things. Instructions for debugging a given component are going to be the same whether you're running Fedora, Ubuntu, SUSE or whatever: debugging systemd is

Re: The future of how to debug pages

2012-09-25 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2012-09-25 at 22:37 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 09/25/2012 07:54 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: I don't see that that follows logically at *all*. The two just seem like totally different things. Instructions for debugging a given component are going to be the same whether

Re: Release criterion proposal: upgrade methods

2012-09-25 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:59:40PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: Yeah. I have one system where I run rawhide, and I leap releases for everything else -- but, usually I accept that I'm going to reinstall. I don't think Fedora (or Red Hat) have *ever* promised that an upgrade from anything

[Test-Announce] Announcing 389 Directory Server version 1.2.11.15 Testing

2012-09-25 Thread Rich Megginson
The 389 Project team is pleased to announce the release of 389-ds-base-1.2.11.15 for Testing. This release fixes another issue with CLEANALLRUV, some schema and userpassword related fixes, and other fixes. The new packages and versions are: 389-ds-base 1.2.11.15 NOTE: 1.2.11 will not

Re: The future of how to debug pages

2012-09-25 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 09/25/2012 10:59 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2012-09-25 at 22:37 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 09/25/2012 07:54 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: I don't see that that follows logically at *all*. The two just seem like totally different things. Instructions for debugging a given

Re: Release criterion proposal: upgrade methods

2012-09-25 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 09/25/2012 11:02 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:59:40PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: Yeah. I have one system where I run rawhide, and I leap releases for everything else -- but, usually I accept that I'm going to reinstall. I don't think Fedora (or Red Hat) have *ever*

Re: Release criterion proposal: upgrade methods

2012-09-25 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 11:24:58PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: It'd be kind of awesome if we also *knew* each release if three or four releases back is likely to work, even if the answer is no. Personally I think we should limit our support not go further back then the release we are

Re: The future of how to debug pages

2012-09-25 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2012-09-25 at 23:21 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: I still don't think you've actually demonstrated any causal linkage between these two things. Debugging instructions are debugging instructions. Bug reports are bug reports. They are separate things. I don't see how sourcing

Re: Release criterion proposal: upgrade methods

2012-09-25 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2012-09-25 at 19:41 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 11:24:58PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: It'd be kind of awesome if we also *knew* each release if three or four releases back is likely to work, even if the answer is no. Personally I think we should

Re: Release criterion proposal: upgrade methods

2012-09-25 Thread Richard Ryniker
Upgrade installation is a bizarre beast, because the result is not well defined. Yes, a newer set of packages is installed, but a new install does that. The reason upgrade is so seductive is the notion all one's configuration and personalization is carried into the upgraded system, whereas a new

Re: Release criterion proposal: upgrade methods

2012-09-25 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2012-09-25 at 23:01 -0400, Richard Ryniker wrote: Maybe someone with more fortitude (intellectual honesty? discipline?) than I will kill upgrade, and make the world a better place. Or at least document that upgrade is offered only on a good effort basis, with no guarantee or support.