Re: Update criteria change and proposal

2013-09-19 Thread Kamil Paral
For those who weren't present at today's blocker review meeting - http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-blocker-review/2013-09-18/ - we agreed to change the Alpha criteria to require only console updating to work, and move the requirement for graphical updating to work to Beta or later.

Removing Optical Boot Requirement from F20 Alpha Release Requirements

2013-09-19 Thread Tim Flink
This conversation was started on Monday in the QA meeting but I forgot to send anything out to the list. We're a bit short on time, so a quick vote would be appreciated Tim As currently written, the Fedora 20 alpha release requirements [1] state that optical media must boot: Release-blocking

Re: Removing Optical Boot Requirement from F20 Alpha Release Requirements

2013-09-19 Thread Mike R
+1 for the revision. // Mike -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test

Re: Removing Optical Boot Requirement from F20 Alpha Release Requirements

2013-09-19 Thread Kamil Paral
This conversation was started on Monday in the QA meeting but I forgot to send anything out to the list. We're a bit short on time, so a quick vote would be appreciated Tim As currently written, the Fedora 20 alpha release requirements [1] state that optical media must boot:

Re: Removing Optical Boot Requirement from F20 Alpha Release Requirements

2013-09-19 Thread Bob Lightfoot
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/19/2013 05:26 AM, Kamil Paral wrote: This conversation was started on Monday in the QA meeting but I forgot to send anything out to the list. We're a bit short on time, so a quick vote would be appreciated Tim As currently written,

Re: Removing Optical Boot Requirement from F20 Alpha Release Requirements

2013-09-19 Thread Kamil Paral
The rewrite sounds good to me. Just one possible improvement. I work almost exclusively with VM for testing so iso size doesn't matter. Should it be an alpha requirement that the isos we're talking about boot and install in the VM environment which has no care for size? I think that should

Re: Removing Optical Boot Requirement from F20 Alpha Release Requirements

2013-09-19 Thread Tim Flink
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 05:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Kamil Paral kpa...@redhat.com wrote: This conversation was started on Monday in the QA meeting but I forgot to send anything out to the list. We're a bit short on time, so a quick vote would be appreciated Tim As currently written, the

Re: Removing Optical Boot Requirement from F20 Alpha Release Requirements

2013-09-19 Thread Tim Flink
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 06:23:04 -0400 Bob Lightfoot boblf...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/19/2013 05:26 AM, Kamil Paral wrote: This conversation was started on Monday in the QA meeting but I forgot to send anything out to the list. We're a bit short

Licensing? Was: Removing Optical Boot Requirement from F20 Alpha Release Requirements

2013-09-19 Thread Greg Woodbury
On 09/19/2013 06:49 AM, Tim Flink wrote: On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 05:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Kamil Paral kpa...@redhat.com wrote: 1) modify the alpha criterion so that it only requires optical media to work if the isos are correctly sized 2) require booting from optical media at beta when the

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 20 Alpha Release Candidate 4 (RC4) Available Now!

2013-09-19 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX
64 bit netinst on jump drive still can not configure HD if booted with UEFI on an Asus p8z77-vle plus and 3770k. I did not trybooting without UEFI on this machine. Same jump drive installed nominally on a E6550 on an older mobo plain boot. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX c...@omen.com

Re: Licensing? Was: Removing Optical Boot Requirement from F20 Alpha Release Requirements

2013-09-19 Thread Eric Blake
On 09/19/2013 06:53 AM, Greg Woodbury wrote: However, there's one corner case to consider. Due to some licensing issues we still can't test UEFI in VMs. Am I being dense, or missing something? What licensing issues? I have a new Intel Haswell (i5-4430/z87) achitecture machine and do both

[Test-Announce] Fedora 20 Alpha status is Go, release on September 24, 2013

2013-09-19 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
At the Fedora 20 Alpha Go/No-Go Meeting #2 that just occurred, it was agreed to Go with the Fedora 20 Alpha by Fedora QA, Release Engineering and Development. Fedora 20 Alpha will be publicly available on Tuesday, September 24, 2013. Meeting details can be seen here: Minutes:

Re: Licensing? Was: Removing Optical Boot Requirement from F20 Alpha Release Requirements

2013-09-19 Thread Chris Murphy
On Sep 19, 2013, at 8:56 AM, Eric Blake ebl...@redhat.com wrote: Given the current state of the art, all known UEFI implementations for VMs require the use of a FAT driver whose license forbids redistribution for general purpose use, which means Fedora cannot ship it. I don't understand

Re: Licensing? Was: Removing Optical Boot Requirement from F20 Alpha Release Requirements

2013-09-19 Thread Chris Murphy
On Sep 19, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: I understand that distinction but as there is a FAT driver in the linux kernel distributed with Fedora, I don't see why it's suddenly a problem for an EFI virtual firmware that needs a FAT driver to ship with Fedora.

Re: Licensing? Was: Removing Optical Boot Requirement from F20 Alpha Release Requirements

2013-09-19 Thread Chris Murphy
On Sep 19, 2013, at 4:01 PM, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: Not speaking to any issues of legality or non-legality, but fairly sure he's referring to the FAT driver in the EFI bios itself, which would have to be distributed in the EFI bios used by QEMU/KVM for virtual systems.

Re: Licensing? Was: Removing Optical Boot Requirement from F20 Alpha Release Requirements

2013-09-19 Thread Bill Nottingham
Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) said: On Sep 19, 2013, at 8:56 AM, Eric Blake ebl...@redhat.com wrote: Given the current state of the art, all known UEFI implementations for VMs require the use of a FAT driver whose license forbids redistribution for general purpose use, which

Re: Licensing? Was: Removing Optical Boot Requirement from F20 Alpha Release Requirements

2013-09-19 Thread Eric Blake
On 09/19/2013 03:53 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Sep 19, 2013, at 8:56 AM, Eric Blake ebl...@redhat.com wrote: Given the current state of the art, all known UEFI implementations for VMs require the use of a FAT driver whose license forbids redistribution for general purpose use, which means

Re: Noveau resolution

2013-09-19 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2013-09-01 at 18:25 -0700, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: The current Noveau does not support the native 2500x1600 resolution of my 30 inch monitor. Thje most Noveau can hack is 1600x1200, about half of what the monitor can do. It's Nouveau. noUveau. no U veau. There are two Us in it,

Re: Self-introduction: Olga Johnson

2013-09-19 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-09-02 at 21:08 -0400, Olga Johnson wrote: Hi everyone, I would like to join Fedora QA Team. I'm Olga from Laurel, MD. I'm fairly new to QA field. I'm freelancing in Web applications testing and studying testing methodology and tools. I would like to contribute to

Re: Introduction

2013-09-19 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2013-09-05 at 12:15 -0400, John Dulaney wrote: RE the Raspberry Pi, alas, Fedroa does not support it; for one it's ARMv6 and is an old architecture, and the kernel to run it is not fully open source. Welcome Mike! There is, of course, Pidora: http://pidora.ca/ the Fedora Remix for

Re: Noveau resolution

2013-09-19 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX
On 09/19/2013 09:29 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sun, 2013-09-01 at 18:25 -0700, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: The current Noveau does not support the native 2500x1600 resolution of my 30 inch monitor. Thje most Noveau can hack is 1600x1200, about half of what the monitor can do. It's

[Test-Announce] Fedora 20 Alpha status is Go, release on September 24, 2013

2013-09-19 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
At the Fedora 20 Alpha Go/No-Go Meeting #2 that just occurred, it was agreed to Go with the Fedora 20 Alpha by Fedora QA, Release Engineering and Development. Fedora 20 Alpha will be publicly available on Tuesday, September 24, 2013. Meeting details can be seen here: Minutes: