Re: Gnome 3.10: Network UI missing from new system status area

2013-10-09 Thread Kamil Paral
Yet several times after F20 alpha live installs I've had to go manually turn on the wired network, and the Connect Automatically option was unchecked. I suppose it could be a transient or imaginary problem. If I get something consistent I'll file a bug against network manager. I haven't seen

Re: Gnome 3.10: Network UI missing from new system status area

2013-10-09 Thread Andre Robatino
John Morris jmorris at beau.org writes: Screen space is valuable so removing an icon that is 'always' there and isn't typically displaying useful information is sensible enough. Possibly a dumb question, but doesn't space have to always be available for the icon, whether it's displayed always

wired networking disabled, was: Gnome 3.10: Network UI missing from new system status area

2013-10-09 Thread Chris Murphy
On Oct 9, 2013, at 2:37 AM, Kamil Paral kpa...@redhat.com wrote: Yet several times after F20 alpha live installs I've had to go manually turn on the wired network, and the Connect Automatically option was unchecked. I suppose it could be a transient or imaginary problem. If I get something

Re: Gnome 3.10: Network UI missing from new system status area

2013-10-09 Thread John Morris
On Wed, 2013-10-09 at 11:46 +, Andre Robatino wrote: John Morris jmorris at beau.org writes: Screen space is valuable so removing an icon that is 'always' there and isn't typically displaying useful information is sensible enough. Possibly a dumb question, but doesn't space have to

Re: Gnome 3.10: Network UI missing from new system status area

2013-10-09 Thread Chris Murphy
On Oct 9, 2013, at 5:23 PM, John Morris jmor...@beau.org wrote: On Wed, 2013-10-09 at 11:46 +, Andre Robatino wrote: John Morris jmorris at beau.org writes: Screen space is valuable so removing an icon that is 'always' there and isn't typically displaying useful information is sensible

Re: Gnome 3.10: Network UI missing from new system status area

2013-10-07 Thread Kamil Paral
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708966 is the upstream bug ... if you have anything useful (i.e no flamebait) to add ad it there. Provided. Thanks. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test

Re: Gnome 3.10: Network UI missing from new system status area

2013-10-07 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-10-04 at 09:04 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: A wired state icon in the menu bar is not needed if it's available upon making a physical connection, by default, for all users. For Gnome 3.8, I regularly encountered no network connection upon successful install, despite a working

Re: Gnome 3.10: Network UI missing from new system status area

2013-10-07 Thread Chris Murphy
On Oct 7, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2013-10-04 at 09:04 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: A wired state icon in the menu bar is not needed if it's available upon making a physical connection, by default, for all users. For Gnome 3.8, I regularly

Re: Gnome 3.10: Network UI missing from new system status area

2013-10-07 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-10-07 at 13:41 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: On Oct 7, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2013-10-04 at 09:04 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: A wired state icon in the menu bar is not needed if it's available upon making a physical connection, by

Re: Gnome 3.10: Network UI missing from new system status area

2013-10-04 Thread Sandro Mani
On 04.10.2013 07:54, moshe nahmias wrote: I think that it must be possible to make the icon visible as an option. I use a cellular modem on my laptop and the easiest way to connect with it to the net is by clicking that icon... I guess that it's possible to connect from other places, but it

Re: Gnome 3.10: Network UI missing from new system status area

2013-10-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-10-04 at 07:54 +0200, moshe nahmias wrote: I think that it must be possible to make the icon visible as an option. I use a cellular modem on my laptop and the easiest way to connect with it to the net is by clicking that icon... I guess that it's possible to connect from other

Re: Gnome 3.10: Network UI missing from new system status area

2013-10-04 Thread Chuck Anderson
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 01:54:17PM +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2013-10-04 at 07:54 +0200, moshe nahmias wrote: I think that it must be possible to make the icon visible as an option. I use a cellular modem on my laptop and the easiest way to connect with it to the net is by

Re: Gnome 3.10: Network UI missing from new system status area

2013-10-04 Thread drago01
On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Chuck Anderson c...@wpi.edu wrote: On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 01:54:17PM +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2013-10-04 at 07:54 +0200, moshe nahmias wrote: I think that it must be possible to make the icon visible as an option. I use a cellular modem on my

Re: Gnome 3.10: Network UI missing from new system status area

2013-10-04 Thread Chuck Anderson
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 03:17:03PM +0200, drago01 wrote: On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Chuck Anderson c...@wpi.edu wrote: On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 01:54:17PM +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2013-10-04 at 07:54 +0200, moshe nahmias wrote: I think that it must be possible to make the

Re: Gnome 3.10: Network UI missing from new system status area

2013-10-04 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 07:54:54AM +0200, moshe nahmias wrote: I think that it must be possible to make the icon visible as an option. I This seems like a very useful place for a Gnome Shell Extension. -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ mat...@fedoraproject.org -- test

Re: Gnome 3.10: Network UI missing from new system status area

2013-10-04 Thread Sandro Mani
On 04.10.2013 16:38, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 07:54:54AM +0200, moshe nahmias wrote: I think that it must be possible to make the icon visible as an option. I This seems like a very useful place for a Gnome Shell Extension. Or rather a gsettings option accessible via

Re: Gnome 3.10: Network UI missing from new system status area

2013-10-04 Thread Chris Murphy
On Oct 3, 2013, at 11:48 PM, John Morris jmor...@beau.org wrote: On Thu, 2013-10-03 at 20:59 +0200, drago01 wrote: You should get an icon indicating failure just no success one. Which is even very unixy ;) Well GNU is Not Unix and these days Fedora isn't even following that star. How

Gnome 3.10: Network UI missing from new system status area

2013-10-03 Thread Sandro Mani
Hi, Running Gnome 3.10 in a virtual machine, I notice that the networking UI in the system status area is missing (happens both in classic mode as well as standard mode). This happens both with a continuously updated rawhide installation as well as with the latest F20 nightly. Anyone else

Re: Gnome 3.10: Network UI missing from new system status area

2013-10-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2013-10-03 at 14:03 +0200, Sandro Mani wrote: Hi, Running Gnome 3.10 in a virtual machine, I notice that the networking UI in the system status area is missing (happens both in classic mode as well as standard mode). This happens both with a continuously updated rawhide

Re: Gnome 3.10: Network UI missing from new system status area

2013-10-03 Thread Sandro Mani
On 03.10.2013 14:29, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2013-10-03 at 14:03 +0200, Sandro Mani wrote: Hi, Running Gnome 3.10 in a virtual machine, I notice that the networking UI in the system status area is missing (happens both in classic mode as well as standard mode). This happens both with a

Re: Gnome 3.10: Network UI missing from new system status area

2013-10-03 Thread Richard Ryniker
Well, a statically configured network interface might be expected to just work. With dynamic configuration, there must be successful contact with a DHCP server, and the server must be willing to assign an IP address and possibly provide other information (gateway, nameserver, host name) to the

Re: Gnome 3.10: Network UI missing from new system status area

2013-10-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2013-10-03 at 14:31 -0400, Richard Ryniker wrote: Well, a statically configured network interface might be expected to just work. With dynamic configuration, there must be successful contact with a DHCP server, and the server must be willing to assign an IP address and possibly

Re: Gnome 3.10: Network UI missing from new system status area

2013-10-03 Thread drago01
On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Richard Ryniker ryni...@alum.mit.edu wrote: Well, a statically configured network interface might be expected to just work. With dynamic configuration, there must be successful contact with a DHCP server, and the server must be willing to assign an IP address

Re: Gnome 3.10: Network UI missing from new system status area

2013-10-03 Thread John Morris
On Thu, 2013-10-03 at 20:59 +0200, drago01 wrote: You should get an icon indicating failure just no success one. Which is even very unixy ;) Well GNU is Not Unix and these days Fedora isn't even following that star. How does Apple do it? Screen space is valuable so removing an icon that is

Re: Gnome 3.10: Network UI missing from new system status area

2013-10-03 Thread moshe nahmias
I think that it must be possible to make the icon visible as an option. I use a cellular modem on my laptop and the easiest way to connect with it to the net is by clicking that icon... I guess that it's possible to connect from other places, but it won't be as easy. On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 8:48