Re: Proposal: Drop most optional packages from Server DVD

2019-02-18 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 02:02:34PM -0500, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > Then we are back to what Lukas brought up. What is the Server going to > have on it? I think the items he had were the ones most likely needed > out of the box: [...] > Otherwise we are back to 'nothing' as making more sense

Re: Proposal: Drop most optional packages from Server DVD

2019-02-18 Thread Kamil Paral
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 7:34 PM Matthew Miller wrote: > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 05:48:15PM +0100, Lukas Ruzicka wrote: > > > servers also need security and bug fixes. > > If so and local repository is always needed ... why keep a server spin > > then? Why not install from Everything netinst? > >

Re: Proposal: Drop most optional packages from Server DVD

2019-02-18 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 05:48:15PM +0100, Lukas Ruzicka wrote: > > servers also need security and bug fixes. > If so and local repository is always needed ... why keep a server spin > then? Why not install from Everything netinst? Lots of people use Fedora in a server context. If we don't have a

Re: Proposal: Drop most optional packages from Server DVD

2019-02-18 Thread Lukas Ruzicka
In this case, I would expect that intranet to have a local mirror. Intranet > servers also need security and bug fixes. > > If so and local repository is always needed ... why keep a server spin then? Why not install from Everything netinst? > -- > Matthew Miller > > Fedora Project Leader >

Re: Proposal: Drop most optional packages from Server DVD

2019-02-18 Thread Julen Landa Alustiza
Lukas' question made me another one... Server spin has a couple of blockers on software (freeipa and posgresql at least). Are we going to take them out from the installer? Matthew Miller igorleak hau idatzi zuen (2019 ots. 18, al. 17:00): > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 11:43:46AM +0100, Lukas

Re: Proposal: Drop most optional packages from Server DVD

2019-02-18 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 11:43:46AM +0100, Lukas Ruzicka wrote: > Yes, I agree with the proposal. I also agree that most servers will be > connected to the Internet, however, I can think of some use cases where > Internet connection is not wanted and an intranet is sufficient, such as: In this

Re: Proposal: Drop most optional packages from Server DVD

2019-02-18 Thread Lukas Ruzicka
Yes, I agree with the proposal. I also agree that most servers will be connected to the Internet, however, I can think of some use cases where Internet connection is not wanted and an intranet is sufficient, such as: - a file server - a print server - a router - a web server (for intranet) So,

Re: Proposal: Drop most optional packages from Server DVD

2019-02-18 Thread Kamil Paral
On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 4:50 PM Stephen Gallagher wrote: > For a long time, the Fedora Server Edition has provided a fairly > lightweight default installation, but a fairly heavyweight DVD. This > is because we opted to include a lot of infrastructure-related content > on the disk, such as BIND,

Re: Proposal: Drop most optional packages from Server DVD

2019-02-15 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2019-02-15 at 10:20 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 8:49 AM Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > > Arguments against this have historically been that having it all on > > one disk is better for network-constrained environments to avoid > > downloading content multiple times.

Re: Proposal: Drop most optional packages from Server DVD

2019-02-15 Thread Sumantro Mukherjee
+1 to this On Fri, Feb 15, 2019, 21:39 Marcin Szydelski wrote: > +1. Very good idea. > > Pozdrawiam/Best regards, > Marcin Szydelski > http://pl.linkedin.com/in/marcinszydelski > mob. +48 793433899 > > > pt., 15 lut 2019 o 17:01 Julen Landa Alustiza > napisaƂ(a): > >> +1 here. totally agree

Re: Proposal: Drop most optional packages from Server DVD

2019-02-15 Thread Julen Landa Alustiza
+1 here. totally agree with Stephen Gallagher igorleak hau idatzi zuen (2019 ots. 15, or. 16:49): > For a long time, the Fedora Server Edition has provided a fairly > lightweight default installation, but a fairly heavyweight DVD. This > is because we opted to include a lot of

Re: Proposal: Drop most optional packages from Server DVD

2019-02-15 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 10:49:00AM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > So I'd like to propose that we get rid of nearly the entirety of the > section from comps.xml[1][2] and variants-fedora.xml[3]. > The result will be a far smaller install DVD, less space wasted on the > mirrors (both for the DVD

Proposal: Drop most optional packages from Server DVD

2019-02-15 Thread Stephen Gallagher
For a long time, the Fedora Server Edition has provided a fairly lightweight default installation, but a fairly heavyweight DVD. This is because we opted to include a lot of infrastructure-related content on the disk, such as BIND, FreeIPA, MariaDB and PostgreSQL, among others. The reality these