Re: [Test-Announce] naming schemes

2014-09-08 Thread Richard Ryniker
a naming scheme that doesn't suck. Please consider it desirable to implement a scheme with file names that, in lexical order, list oldest version first (or last). Newest version somewhere in the middle is a bad design. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe:

Re: i845G - X locks up machine

2014-10-13 Thread Richard Ryniker
Might this be an effect caused by removal of an old graphics driver? https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2014-May/199459.html -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test

F15RC3 Upgrade installation: ERROR with rpm_check_debug vs depsolve:

2011-05-16 Thread Richard Ryniker
I normally eschew Upgrade installation, because the result can mix old and new files in ways that too often lead to mysterious problems, sometimes months later. There be rocks in the upgrade waters! Yesterday I inadvertently failed to check New install when using the F15RC3 DVD, and thus

libvirtd Unable to create cgroup

2011-05-18 Thread Richard Ryniker
F15 RC3 installed without any obvious problems. Failure during attempt to create a virtual machine. [root@hp ryniker]# virt-install --prompt What is the name of your virtual machine? MPLAB How much RAM should be allocated (in megabytes)? 4096 What would you like to use as the disk (file path)?

Re: My Fedora 15 beta experiences so far

2011-05-30 Thread Richard Ryniker
I don't understand why Fedora maintainers decide to replace functional software by software that lacks many essential features ... I have no direct connection to Fedora decision-makers, but I doubt this is something they decide to do. It happens because Fedora seeks to package very recent

Re: lan network mapping...

2011-07-15 Thread Richard Ryniker
Try a broadcast ping, and see who responds. One of the responses from an address you do not recognize as something else may be your print server. Example: # ping -b -I eth0 192.168.100.255 WARNING: pinging broadcast address PING 192.168.100.255 (192.168.100.255) from 192.168.100.32 eth0: 56(84)

Re: Any hope for system-config-services ?

2011-07-21 Thread Richard Ryniker
It would be more accurate to say The current Fedora releases are not typically used as servers. I expect many are like me and use an older Fedora release on servers: F9 in my case, because it does its job well and any limitations do not impair its function. It seems perfectly reasonable to

Re: Post-TC1 strategizin'

2011-08-04 Thread Richard Ryniker
On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 14:11:43 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 08/04/2011 06:11 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: I thought it'd be a good idea to take a step back and plan a strategy for post-Alpha TC1. We're in trouble for Alpha; we're a long way behind schedule, and we have a lot of blocker bugs

Re: gnome-shell-extensions-alternative-status-menu installed by default?

2011-08-08 Thread Richard Ryniker
Rahul Sundaram metherid at gmail.com writes: I don't think Fedora should be installing extensions by default. I side with Rahul Sundaram. The default configuration should follow upstream choices as much as possible. If alternative choices are useful for a significant population of Fedora

Re: Draft 'install alongside Windows' test case

2011-09-01 Thread Richard Ryniker
Well, no version of Windows yet sets up a GPT disk label, and anaconda is supposed to leave existing MSDOS disk labels around. I configured Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit to use several disks in a software RAID arrangement a year or two past. A BIOS update to this HP system subsequently killed

Re: grub2 confusion

2011-10-12 Thread Richard Ryniker
Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote on Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:00:03 -0700: i.e. if you decide to maintain your config by hand then you have to try and stop your distro doing it for you, and that's outside of the distro's scope of support. I have more than 150 entries in /etc/alternatives that

Re: mime types...

2011-10-17 Thread Richard Ryniker
On Sun, 2011-10-16 at 21:46 -0700, Rob Healey wrote: So when working with python files, why is there no specific mime type for it? Basically, because there is no need to tell the recipient of a Python file how to specially format or interpret it. It is simply one of a large set of text files.

Re: audio skipping/pure sound quality

2011-01-18 Thread Richard Ryniker
I have experienced effects like those you described when Pulseaudio (or perhaps something else in the audio-processing chain) must do sample-rate conversion, such as from 44.1 KHz to 48KHz, to drive my USB speakers. Sox has been an effective solution for me. Try play (a link to sox that denotes

Re: since last update system does not boot any more

2011-04-05 Thread Richard Ryniker
On Sat, 2011-04-02 at 10:49 -0400, Genes MailLists wrote: Indeed ... there is something simplistically elegant about: 3 vs multi-user.target Or, you could look upon it as 'utterly cryptic'. At least multi-user.target takes a shot at explaining itself. 3...3, well, not so much. --

Re: since last update system does not boot any more

2011-04-13 Thread Richard Ryniker
Al Dunsmuir al.dunsm...@sympatico.ca wrote on Tue, 12 Apr 2011 12:36:53 -0400: I think these [file names such as multi-user.target] should be viewed more as keywords, or reserved phrases and not subject to translation. This is similar to a C program, where one has 3 cases: - Comments and

Re: EFI install (F15 beta rc2)

2011-04-17 Thread Richard Ryniker
Partition table invalid or corrupt. I saw this message from GRUB when I re-used a disk that had been part of a software RAID array for a Fedora installation. I do not recall now whether fdisk or the Fedora installer wrote a new partition table, but there were vestiges of the RAID format left on

Re: release note suggestion: UID Range Change

2011-11-04 Thread Richard Ryniker
users can renumber user files by: (1) chown --from OLD_OWNER:OLD_GROUP NEW_OWNER:NEW_GROUP / I think a --recursive option may be needed in the chown command. There are thorns in these bushes. It is not only user and group ids in new systems that must change: this change will upset

Failed to load module pk-gtk-module

2011-11-10 Thread Richard Ryniker
This is bug 747449, presumably just a case of a missing dependency. I bumped into it when I invoked system-config-users. Because multiple applications fail, and therefore can inflict pain on many users, does it make sense to add something to Common Bugs? The work-around (install

Re: Proposal: stop holding composes for preupgrade bugs at Alpha and Beta phases

2012-04-10 Thread Richard Ryniker
The thread for longer files is more likely to be in the middle of a transfer, and thus capable of boosting its throughput, while the other thread suffers low throughput due to starting or stopping the transfer of an individual file. Maybe. Certainly The thread for longer files is more likely to

Re: No way to add a new app launcher from Gnome 3.x GUI?

2012-04-18 Thread Richard Ryniker
But no, right clicking on empty space doesn't do diddly squat in the Gnome 3 Applications screen. I do not think a click on nothing is persuasively intuative as a way to create an application launcher. Who wants diddly squats littering the screen, anyway? For programs that can be found through

Re: automatically mounting physically attached media (was Re: Move from /media to /run/media/$USER)

2012-04-18 Thread Richard Ryniker
If I plug it in while I'm logged in, it shows up. I log out and log back in, and it still shows up. If I reboot, plug it in during GDM, and then log in... it shows up. Under what circumstance does it not show up for you? If your USB stick is plugged in before you boot your system, where does it

Re: update-mime-database issue

2012-05-15 Thread Richard Ryniker
Unknown media type in type 'all/all' Not a new phenomenon. I see this in my F17 system, but also in F14... even in F8, so it has been around for a long time. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test

Re: will F18 allow simultaneous installation of more than one desktop?

2012-07-09 Thread Richard Ryniker
to prevent the user doing something silly like trying to install GNOME but forgetting the X server and fonts. I think the Package Manager copes with this very well, especially when the installation source is a release DVD. Unlike the network repositories, which can become inconsistant as

Re: Release criterion proposal: upgrade methods

2012-09-24 Thread Richard Ryniker
The installer must be able to successfully complete an upgrade installation from a clean, fully updated default installation (from any official install medium) of the previous stable Fedora release via any officially supported upgrade mechanism. The upgraded system must meet all release criteria.

Re: Release criterion proposal: upgrade methods

2012-09-24 Thread Richard Ryniker
I think we could link to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading to define 'supported/recommendation upgrade mechanism' OK, but to illustrate the problem with indirect references: the Upgrading page you cite above says to read

Re: Release criterion proposal: upgrade methods

2012-09-24 Thread Richard Ryniker
You have convinced me, Adam. How much does it contribute to release quality if excellent test criteria are perfectly validated, but the documentation the end-user reads says Fedora does something different? To that user, what he sees is clearly a fault. QA may not be explicitly requested to vet

Re: Release criterion proposal: upgrade methods

2012-09-25 Thread Richard Ryniker
Upgrade installation is a bizarre beast, because the result is not well defined. Yes, a newer set of packages is installed, but a new install does that. The reason upgrade is so seductive is the notion all one's configuration and personalization is carried into the upgraded system, whereas a new

Re: Upstream first? [Was: Re: The future of how to debug pages]

2012-09-26 Thread Richard Ryniker
On 09/26/2012 10:37 AM, Kamil Paral wrote: I personally split maintainers in the distribution into three categories. 1. Packager 2, Maintainer 3. Upstream maintainer Is this an argument for an additional Fedora package class? At present, it seems there are two well-defined types:

Re: F18 at-spi* deps

2012-10-26 Thread Richard Ryniker
Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote on Fri, 26 Oct 2012 08:33:25 +0100: So you agree, it's unneccessary. For me to need at-spi*. Point made. I think the point was at-spi is part of GTK, but this part is not something it is reasonable to package separately, such as a language package or some

Re: TC7 bootloader installation

2012-11-03 Thread Richard Ryniker
we should make this possible via a command line parameter rather than a UI option; it's an 'advanced' option that's only of use to multiboot pokemoners (you know...gotta catch 'em all) and is a 'dangerous' option for anyone who doesn't understand it - if you pick it when you don't know what you're

Re: 64bit Flash player

2010-07-07 Thread Richard Ryniker
[Adobe] I want to know why they should {want} to screw us out of the internet I doubt very much Adobe wants to limit our access to the Internet. Adobe wants to apply its development resources in the way that maximizes its profit. Adobe may feel 64-bit Flash for Linux would be profitable (in

Re: Why was a kernel-2.6.34 pushed to updates that had un-addressed bugs.

2010-09-05 Thread Richard Ryniker
Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com wrote: If they don't have time to look at everything, then maybe they should stop shipping kernels they haven't looked at! Really, people who needed 2.6.34 could pull it from updates-untested and the rest of us could have working systems. Back in the FC3-4-5-6

Re: Why was a kernel-2.6.34 pushed to updates that had un-addressed bugs.

2010-09-06 Thread Richard Ryniker
In my case (F13, x86_64 on a Lenovo X200) the .34 kernel made suspend fail. On laptops I think working suspend/resume should be blocker for release. It worked before, hence it is a regression. F13 was released with a .33 kernel, therefore the question of blocking the F13 release for this reason

Re: Not too impressed with the quality of F14 at this time

2010-09-14 Thread Richard Ryniker
I don't think GUI apps should be logging seemingly alarming messages like this to stdout if they aren't actually a problem. If the possibility that the referenced shared library isn't there is expected and normal, then attempts to load it should fail silently. Well, that's arguable.

Re: heads-up: upstart reversion coming soon

2010-09-15 Thread Richard Ryniker
since the current justification for having stable releases at all is 'to handle upgrade cases we can't handle with yum' What about installation from media such as DVD for users who cannot reasonably access more than a gigabyte of updates from the Net? -- test mailing list

system-config-network F14Beta x86_64

2010-09-20 Thread Richard Ryniker
Is this working-as-designed? Other than these messages, system-config-network worked as expected. [r...@vista ryniker]# system-config-network (system-config-network-gui:24283): Gnome-WARNING **: Accessibility:

What is this mega-dvd-test?

2010-10-28 Thread Richard Ryniker
Fedora-14-Live-multi.iso is too large (5.2 gigabytes) for a normal DVD with capacity of 4.7 gigabytes or so. Aha! It must be intended for a USB flash drive with capacity of 8GB or greater... [r...@ryniker ryniker]# cmd/livecd-iso-to-disk --format --reset-mbr --overlay-size-mb 1024

Re: What is this mega-dvd-test?

2010-10-31 Thread Richard Ryniker
I used an early F14 version of livecd-iso-to-disk, which may explain some different behavior. There is one significant difference in how the script is invoked: in the F13 version, the device argument can (must?) be the base device, such as the /dev/sdc you used where you likely have a /dev/sdc1

Re: What is this mega-dvd-test?

2010-10-31 Thread Richard Ryniker
Doesn't FAT32 have a 4 GB limit on file size? That should not be a factor in this case. There are multiple live system images, but each one is a separate file well under 4GB. It is the total space for all the files that exceeds 4GB. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To

Re: Firefox 3.6, open pdf outside of browser

2010-11-01 Thread Richard Ryniker
Click: Edit - Preferences - Applications Find the line in the first column (Content Type) for RDF file and select your desired program. I had to select Use other and navigate to my preference, acroread; you should choose your preferred application. -- test mailing list

.xsession-errors

2010-11-05 Thread Richard Ryniker
Some modestly interesting lines in my F14 .xsession-errors file suggest I might benefit from some lessons in GNOMEish... Failed to play sound: File or data not found ** Message: applet now removed from the notification area ** (nm-applet:1923): WARNING **: get_all_cb: couldn't retrieve

Re: .xsession-errors

2010-11-05 Thread Richard Ryniker
Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: It fails in this particular way because you don't have NM even installed I don't? This was a straightforward installation from the F14 installation DVD, updated to the current date. I see: [ryni...@mini ~]$ rpm -q --all | grep Network

Re: .xsession-errors

2010-11-07 Thread Richard Ryniker
Yes, nm-applet complains this way (.xsession-errors) that NM is not running. I agree that, in addition, nm-applet should let the GNOME user know when NM service (/etc/inet.d/NetworkManager) is not running, instead of just removing nm-applet icon from the panel. I think of these ways to do that:

Re: Reclaim disk space doesn't reuse existing swap, should it?

2012-12-07 Thread Richard Ryniker
Probably not. There are too many possibilities to make reasonable any default except do what the user explicitly says is desired. The usual problems are hot-swap devices (USB, ESATA, etc.) that may be present during installation but not later, and swap spaces intended for other operating systems

Re: Reclaim disk space doesn't reuse existing swap, should it?

2012-12-07 Thread Richard Ryniker
John Reiser jrei...@bitwagon.com wrote on Fri, 07 Dec 2012 07:30:50 -0800 NO! NO! NO! Do NOT format any partition, including swap partitions, except when explicitly requested. I want to share _some_ swap partitions, but running mkswap destroys the UUID and/or label which other /etc/fstab depend

Re: Anaconda crashes trying to install Inkscape

2012-12-11 Thread Richard Ryniker
Mateusz Marzantowicz mmarzantow...@osdf.com.pl wrote on Tue, 11 Dec 2012 07:15:57 +0100 Maybe there should be two groups of packages: important (core or whatever) that must be installed and other (not important) that might fail to install? I think it better to start over with a minimal install

dracut whines...

2012-12-11 Thread Richard Ryniker
F18 TC1 x86-64 install DVD displays some complaints (the following indented lines appeared on the console, but I copied them later from /var/log/boot.log): [ OK ] Started Show Plymouth Boot Screen. [ OK ] Reached target Basic System. dracut-pre-pivot[457]: cp:

Re: dracut whines...

2012-12-12 Thread Richard Ryniker
It has been reported... https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849476 -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test

Re: Configure Mount Point doesn't appear to work

2012-12-20 Thread Richard Ryniker
Swap is a bit odd. I don't see it as being any more or less odd than any other mount point. It's either manual partitioning or not. Swap is indeed odd. An unusual swap partition on an F18 target installation disk can scuttle anaconda... https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=886243 --

Re: F18 partitioning LVM Question....

2012-12-29 Thread Richard Ryniker
How does having two PVs on the same spindle increase latency? Longer seeks - from one PV to the other - instead of two writes into the same PV. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test

Re: Help needed in F18: firefox disappears from the gnome3 favorites bar each time when logging out

2012-12-29 Thread Richard Ryniker
I do not see this behavior; F18 updated to current level (without updates-testing). The firefox icon remains in my Favorites bar through logout-login, and through reboot. Default Gnome desktop. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe:

Re: F18 partitioning LVM Question....

2012-12-30 Thread Richard Ryniker
True, a usage scenario can often be devised to manifest the worst aspects of any allocation scheme. There are many other factors that can have so much influence that I suspect the number of partitions and volume groups may have little to do with actual performance. Disk device caching and

Re: Dealing with critical bugs in final releases

2013-04-21 Thread Richard Ryniker
I think new builds is a bad idea, a response to a worst-case event that hopefully never happens. If the quality assurance process that generated multiple alpha, beta, and release candidate builds has failed, another try to fix one more bug will have less complete testing: it is too likely to add

Re: su starts behaving oddly sometimes on F19

2013-05-17 Thread Richard Ryniker
Does SELinux affect the problem? -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test

Re: Criterion revision proposal: KDE default applications

2013-12-14 Thread Richard Ryniker
The defining characteristic of the Live images is that they run without installation on a user's disks. Beyond that, they have the capability to install a minimal Fedora system to a local disk. Once the size limit for a live image is increased beyond the capacity of a CD (or other common media),

Re: Criterion revision proposal: KDE default applications

2013-12-14 Thread Richard Ryniker
On Sat, 14 Dec 2013, at 11:25:40 -0800 Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: One thing they've floated as an idea is to have a separate 'installation environment' you could boot into from the live images - so you could either boot into 'try it out' live mode, or 'install it'

Re: Criterion revision proposal: KDE default applications

2013-12-20 Thread Richard Ryniker
Kamil Paral kpa...@redhat.com wrote on Fri, 20 Dec 2013 05:00:24 -0500 The bandwidth problem should be solved by a simple program: a. you run it on computer A (lacking bandwidth) - it gathers the list of installed packages and exports a file b. then you run it on computer B (good bandwidth) -

Re: xserver fails to resume from suspend (f20)

2013-12-20 Thread Richard Ryniker
So strange as it may seem - it appears that it has to be shut for more than a short time to fail. Might it be a hibernation issue? After some period of time, perhaps your machine wants to move from suspend to hibernate. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe:

Re: swap partition problems - Re: [Bug 1006304] BootLoaderError: failed to set new efi boot target

2014-01-08 Thread Richard Ryniker
And no manpage for blkid. There is a man page for blkid. It is part of: util-linux-2.24-2.fc20.x86_64 If the man page is missing, perhaps other missing pieces contribute to the problem. For example, swapon is also in util-linux. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To

Re: Leaving the project

2014-05-20 Thread Richard Ryniker
Thank you for years of work to improve Fedora. All Fedora users benefit to some extent from your efforts. as WG's slowy turn into tiny little empires fighting amongst themselves for components directions and maintenance... Fedora (and linux in general) is growing larger. As this happens,

Re: bootloader very slow installation --Fedora 19 Final Test Compose 2 (TC2)

2013-06-08 Thread Richard Ryniker
Might it be possible to defer construction of the yum database until Firstboot? Just want to make it clear this is something to consider for F20. I think it is too late to make this sort of change in F19. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe:

Re: No mail received from redhat (fedora)

2013-06-25 Thread Richard Ryniker
Yeah, you have some sort of problem (configuration issue?) with your MTA: 2013-06-22 14:52:17 1UqSv3-0001aS-Kb = ryni...@ryniker.ods.org U=ryniker P=local S=863 2013-06-22 14:52:18 1UqSv3-0001aS-Kb ** c...@omen.com R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp: SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT

Re: systemd depends so heavily on a files it can not reboot

2013-07-08 Thread Richard Ryniker
Sounds like an unfortunate situation that should be addressed by use of a Live system, which can repair or salvage data from the afflicted file systems. If repair is possible, job done. If not possible, solution is to re-install the operating system. Rather than invest serious effort to make

F20 alpha TC1 problems

2013-08-27 Thread Richard Ryniker
This is recorded in my system journal (booting the iso install image from a USB flash drive): Aug 26 16:11:38 localhost kernel: ACPI Warning: \_SB_.PCI0.P0P1.PEGP._DSM: Argument #4 type mismatch - Found [Integer], ACPI requires [Package] (20130517/nsarguments-95) Aug 26 16:11:38 localhost

Re: F20 alpha TC1 problems

2013-08-27 Thread Richard Ryniker
Makes sense... the kernel is tainted after an oops. I was distracted by thoughts about software with dubious provenance. The first kernel oops (that taints the kernel) is documented here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1001806 -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To

F20 anaconda progress bar

2013-09-11 Thread Richard Ryniker
On my last installation (TC4) anaconda's blue progress bar stalled at approximately 40% while thousands of packages were installed. I suspect this is Working as Designed. There is a continuing display of package names as they are installed, as well as counts of installed packages and total

Re: environment group 'KDE Plasma Workspaces'

2013-09-13 Thread Richard Ryniker
Still bizarre; works for you, not for me. Today: [root@lenovo ryniker]# yum distro-sync full Loaded plugins: langpacks, refresh-packagekit No packages marked for distribution synchronization [root@lenovo ryniker]# yum groupinstall KDE Plasma Workspaces Loaded plugins: langpacks,

Re: environment group 'KDE Plasma Workspaces'

2013-09-13 Thread Richard Ryniker
There is both a group and environment with: nameKDE Plasma Workspaces/name I presume you mean this is a repository problem. I tried yum clean all and that did not help, even though I understand this will reload all metadata (like group information) from the repository. Or do you mean I may

Re: environment group 'KDE Plasma Workspaces'

2013-09-16 Thread Richard Ryniker
I still find the (maybe my own peculiar) F20 situation confusing. For example: [root@lenovo ryniker]# yum -v group install kde-desktop-environment Not loading blacklist plugin, as it is disabled Loading langpacks plugin Loading refresh-packagekit plugin Not loading whiteout plugin, as

Re: environment group 'KDE Plasma Workspaces'

2013-09-16 Thread Richard Ryniker
just fixed that in comps too, thanks! Interested in others? Group: base-x Mandatory Packages: -xorg-x11-drv-geode -xorg-x11-drv-omap Group-Id: printing Mandatory Packages: -ghostscript-cups -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe:

Re: environment group 'KDE Plasma Workspaces'

2013-09-17 Thread Richard Ryniker
These packages still exist, and haven't been removed or renamed as far as I can tell. Yum does not appear able to find them... do you think this is a local problem? [root@lenovo ryniker]# yum list updates Loaded plugins: langpacks, refresh-packagekit [root@lenovo ryniker]# yum repolist

Re: environment group 'KDE Plasma Workspaces'

2013-09-18 Thread Richard Ryniker
No, they're arch-specific. (geode is 32-bit x86, omap is ARM.) That makes sense. Should yum understand this better? I mean, should the group list specify architecture dependencies: some packages are needed for one architecture, others needed for a different architecture? As things stand, I do

Re: Gnome 3.10: Network UI missing from new system status area

2013-10-03 Thread Richard Ryniker
Well, a statically configured network interface might be expected to just work. With dynamic configuration, there must be successful contact with a DHCP server, and the server must be willing to assign an IP address and possibly provide other information (gateway, nameserver, host name) to the

Re: [Test-Announce] 2013-10-16 at 16:00 UTC - F20 Beta Blocker Bug Review #4

2013-10-16 Thread Richard Ryniker
Unnecessary private designation for a bug report might be due to https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1011916 which complains that a bug reporter has to decide about private status before possibly sensitive information in the report can be examined. -- test mailing list

Re: redhat-lsb-core issues in rawhide

2013-10-16 Thread Richard Ryniker
The usbmuxd problems reported by yum in your post are likely unrelated to the lsb issue. I have a similar usbmuxd problem in F20 Beta TC4. After installation, during the first yum update I noticed a message about a usbmuxd scriptlet error. This message vanished among messages from hundreds of

ELAN touchpad USB issues

2013-10-16 Thread Richard Ryniker
I installed F20 Beta TC4 (KDE) on a Samsung Book 9 plus with no serious difficulty, but touchpad operation is sometimes erratic and I see this in syslog: Oct 16 02:47:18 localhost kernel: [3.407835] usb 2-7: unable to read config index 0 descriptor/start: -71 Oct 16 02:47:18 localhost

Re: Heads up - Anaconda 22.17 will enforce 'good' passwords

2015-01-28 Thread Richard Ryniker
Super simple passwords will no longer be allowed... increased security is worth it. No, you just made installation more bothersome - the user will then have to set the passwords he wants after installation is complete. It is good to warn about a weak password, but I feel I know better than you

Re: Heads up - Anaconda 22.17 will enforce 'good' passwords

2015-01-31 Thread Richard Ryniker
Recapitiulation: A security problem was recognized because the ssh daemon is enabled by default on Fedora systems: with a weak root password, a remote attacker might easily obtain unlimited access. The direct solution would seem to be a change to the ssh daemon to prohibit root login in its

Re: Heads up - Anaconda 22.17 will enforce 'good' passwords

2015-02-01 Thread Richard Ryniker
we also have no data about the prevalence of weak passwords or attacks on default-configured Fedora systems On my firewall system, /var/log/secure is larger than 300 megabytes (less than one month of data), most of it reports of failed login attempts to root. I am very careful about passwords on

Re: Testing request: gdm-on-Wayland on hybrid graphics laptops (esp. Macbooks)

2015-05-14 Thread Richard Ryniker
Fedora-Live-Workstation-x86_64-22-TC3.iso installed without problems using an external USB drive on my Macbook Pro with 15-inch Retina Display. I logged on using GNOME with Wayland for the user created during installation - no problem. That said, the system appears fragile, and network

Re: How to install Gnome Desktop on F21 Server ?

2015-04-14 Thread Richard Ryniker
Try: yum grouplist hidden ids -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test

F22 MacBook Pro woe

2015-04-16 Thread Richard Ryniker
I was pleased to see Fedora-Live-Workstation-x86_64-22_Beta-2 boot on my Apple MacBook Pro 15 with retina display. Install to disk completed after some fragility relating to my USB flash drive installation target. Wrote zeros to the first MByte of the flash drive, then Fedora would partition,

Re: why are so much gdm processes are running?

2015-04-11 Thread Richard Ryniker
It is interesting to note a difference from F21, where the login processes are true daemons in the sense they have no controlling terminal. Now, for example, joachim.bac...@rhrk.uni-kl.de reports: ps -u gdm PID TTY TIME CMD 1243 ?00:00:00 systemd 1244 ?00:00:00

Re: Fedora 22 Workstation Beta Release Candidate 1

2015-04-09 Thread Richard Ryniker
Works OK on my Macbook Pro: i7-4850HQ processor with Intel Iris Pro Graphics 5200 plus Nvidia GT-750M graphics processor. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test

Re: Alpha Criterion Discussion: Desktop Backgrounds

2015-08-07 Thread Richard Ryniker
Auto Freeze Exeception seems too complicated an answer to this question. Either continue to call new background a blocker, or decide it is desirable but not a blocking issue. If lovely new art is not available, some generic Fnn background could be used then replaced by an update after release,

Re: Grub Error in F23 Release? Grub stops in OS selection for Windows for ever.

2015-11-05 Thread Richard Ryniker
When you change from the GRUB default boot item, the timer stops and no default boot occurs. You must use a key to tell GRUB to boot the current selection. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test

Re: comment to F23 Final RC10 - still card reader problem

2015-10-31 Thread Richard Ryniker
I think you may be the victim of GNOME's "Do what you maybe probably want." attitude. This is something you might be able to configure to your taste, given sufficient knowledge about what specifications to change. I have a Lenovo machine with a Realtec card reader: [ryniker@lenovo ~]$ lspci |

Re: Weird effect of mount command in F23

2015-10-20 Thread Richard Ryniker
>> I do not like to sacrifice well-defined, predictable behavior for >> convenience > >Convenience is what users need! > >> but others may argue this default behavior serves the >> greater good. > >What is the *greater good*? I think the perceived "good" is that users can load a disk and have a

Re: Weird effect of mount command in F23

2015-10-20 Thread Richard Ryniker
I suspect you suffer from software that wants to help you and "Do the right thing." If you try to mount a device with no media, mount might simply fail (no media present). Instead, at least for optical drives, it presumes the desired media might be available in the tray and requests the device

Re: criterion proposal: upgrading across 2 releases

2015-11-25 Thread Richard Ryniker
>A month is a pretty long time in Fedora development True, but a month is only available if the problem is reported on day 1. If it takes a week or two for a user to report a problem, that interval lessens the remaining time to EOL. On the other hand, there is no prohibition against a fix after

Re: criterion proposal: upgrading across 2 releases

2015-11-25 Thread Richard Ryniker
>It's not like dnf-system-upgrade would magically stop working when N-2 >reaches EOL, so honestly, overall, I just don't really see the problem >you're describing Like most of Fedora, dnf-system-upgrade gets limited testing before release. When N is released, a large number of users who did not

Re: criterion proposal: upgrading across 2 releases

2015-11-24 Thread Richard Ryniker
On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 10:46:55 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > We have never really gone to any lengths to test or support N-1 upgrades > with 3rd party repositories or non-repo software either. That's a > different question. >From a user's perspective, the value of system-upgrade depends on its

Re: criterion proposal: upgrading across 2 releases

2015-11-24 Thread Richard Ryniker
On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 07:52:47 -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > I've upgraded several family members directly from Fedora 21 to Fedora 23 > in the last week with no issues whatsoever (of course, I also curate > their repository selection, so they don't end up with incompatible > packages). Aye,

Re: criterion proposal: upgrading across 2 releases

2015-11-25 Thread Richard Ryniker
System-upgrade across two releases raises an interesting End-of-Life policy issue. If system-upgrade from N-2 to N is so important it will block release of N until it works, how do we explain why it is no longer important after four weeks when N-2 reaches End of Life? Four weeks is little time

Re: criterion proposal: upgrading across 2 releases

2015-11-23 Thread Richard Ryniker
I believe a failure to upgrade from N-2 to N should not block the N release. The reason is limited resources, both for tests and for changes to fix problems. These resources are more valuable applied to the N release than to something two releases in the past. If someone wants to test a

Re: fedora-bookmarks prevents installation of curent updates in F24

2016-06-07 Thread Richard Ryniker
The following worked for me: dnf erase astronomy-bookmarks (This also erased firefox.) dnf upgrade dnf install firefox (This also installed astronomy-bookmarks) -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe:

Re: 'dnf system-upgrade reboot' doesn't do anything

2016-09-03 Thread Richard Ryniker
I seem to have touched a sore spot on Mr. Murphy, and apologize if I have unintentionally irritated him. If he is the designer of the offline update mechanism, and I correctly perceive the implications of his explanation, then I do scold him for failure to mitigate the damage that might occur to a

Re: 'dnf system-upgrade reboot' doesn't do anything

2016-09-01 Thread Richard Ryniker
I am unhappy with the suggestion that the semantics of kernel parameters may depend on some notion about how "temporary" they are. If a kernel parameter is specified, it is present; if not specified, it is absent. It is proper to design parameter syntax and default values to favor common usage.

25_Alpha-2 installation to VM: boot loader install failed

2016-09-14 Thread Richard Ryniker
The target VM has two virtual IDE drives, sda (8 GB) for / and sdb (0.5GB) for /boot. Installation proceded normally until time to install the bootloader, which failed. Pop-up window said bootloader installation failed, and I chose to continue anyway in order to acquire as much log information

Re: Fedora on usb connected media

2016-09-30 Thread Richard Ryniker
Works for me. I used a Samsung 940X laptop and a Sandisk 80GB USB3 external SSD. This is a UEFI machine, and I installed using manual partitioning to re-use partitions on the external device, which contained an old Fedora 23 system. My purpose here was to preserve an encrypted /home partition.

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