Mnyb wrote:
Or what he *thought* sounded better to him , if sounded (soundwaves
traversing the room) should be an actual physical event apart from the
experience you have in your brain .
There is two parts of this the actual event electricity travels down
some wires and make your
vingi...@gmail.com wrote:
My Touch got fried when I stupidly plugged it into a 12v power supply.
The power stage is now shot and there are no parts or replacements
available from Logitech. I tried a repair shop in NYC but they said
there was nothing they could do. Anyone have any experience
garym wrote:
And tap the heels of your magic shoes together 3 times while repeating,
there's no music like hires, there's no music like hires,
no point to hires !!!
keeps you two comedians off the streets
SBGK's
garym wrote:
EDO works with 7.7.2. It only needed 7.8 if your were converting your
FLAC to WAV on the server side rather than the TOUCH side. For the life
of me, I really don't understand why one would want to convert from
TOUCH USB to S/PDIF instead of using the TOUCH's S/PDIF. (by the
lake_eleven wrote:
Is there a way to turn off wireless altogether without using TT3.0. Will
it be of any benefit to the sound by doing so.
doesn't really belong in this thread, but here is an answer.
you could look at the file that Soundcheck doesn't want known as TT and
see how it is done
Turnandcough wrote:
Hi,
I've been using EDO+TT3.0+SBGK successfully for some time with S/PDIF
output. I just picked up a MF V-Link 192 and am experiencing problems -
basically no sound after a few seconds of playing.
After doing a factory reset/clean install of EDO everything
pippin wrote:
Generally, the difference will be smaller and smaller the better the
equipment gets.
If you see huge improvements in audio quality, it's usually due to
distortion of some kind being added.
I can't rephrase this often enough: in double-blind tests in tendency
people prefer
garym wrote:
This thread is starting to remind me of a posting I really like from
another forum regarding the typical audiophile response to being
questioned about his beliefs:
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=92856view=findpostp=785522
Repeated below:
Pascal Hibon wrote:
Windows 7 users might want to read this:
-There is a gross problem with the Windows 7 RECORD Sample Rate
Converter. This problem actually dates back to Windows Vista, and is
also a problem with Windows Server 2008. This problem causes spectral
contamination of the
garym wrote:
OK. Aubuti and I just don't understand because we're either too lazy,
too stupid, or too poor. But SBGK understands your points. 'nuff said.
;-)
ad homimem attacks, Gary, I think you have lost the argument
ralphpnj wrote:
I was going to write a long winded response along the lines of since
when does believing in scientifically proven facts (digital data, i.e.
bits are either 0 or 1, there are no other choices) make one part of a
cult, etc. However your response is just so much nicer and to the
gerardhn wrote:
Sorry to disturb this incestuous forum of equal writers and
thinkers.
+???
now you know what it is like to question the tenets of a cult.
Only the faithful will be saved.
Only members of our church will be raised when the Rapture comes.
Only our sect will survive
gerardhn wrote:
Sorry.
I have to disappoint you all. Destroy your belief of knowing it. Being
a clever expert. Hardest to admit for a man. But sorry. Ok Here I go.
Logitech touch is not bitperfect. Today I took day off to compare the
following:
Nas-ethernet-logitech-usb out-classe cp
try installing the EDO app, that will get you most of the benefits of
TT3.0 and improve the SQ for spdif and usb out.
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Dazed and Confused wrote:
Just set up Touch for the first time. FLAC files are being fed via a
wired connection from a Synology DS212+ NAS, then into amp (analogue)
using the supplied leads and thenspeakers. The sound is very digital, ie
bright and and I want to know ways of making it less
soundcheck wrote:
Absolutely.
There are - out of my memory -
1. Output routing to hw interface
2. Passing by asound.conf routing table
3. 2nd Jive_alsa killing
4. Buffer size modifications
5. Screen totally Off
6. Increase key process priorities
(All this is no rocket science
soundcheck wrote:
I think this is the wrong place to post your stuff. You seem to hijack
the next thread with it.
And would you please stop refering to TT. Your setup has nothing to do
with my toolbox anymore.
EDO freely implemented 50% of my toolbox by now. The remainder you've
another tweak to get EDO sounding good
echo 1000 1024000 512 2048 /proc/sys/kernel/sem
in the kernel section of the TT file
makes quite a difference over the default or TT setting
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I was still dissatisfied with the sound from EDO, very high resolution,
but very computer sounding
I tried the following changes to the tcp section of the TT file which
made some small change
echo 20 /sys/module/snd_usb_audio/parameters/nrpacks
chmod 666
Turnandcough wrote:
I'm really tempted to order a Ref 5.2 so I can hook up my Touch directly
via EDO/USB instead of getting a converter for my current EE Minimax
DAC.
I'm just wondering if there is a lot to be gained soundwise over Touch's
S/PDIF with TT3.0. Can it rival with a good USB
to the Touch´s
kernel)
Thank you and best regards
Pepe
so your set up is TT3.0 + EDO + SBGK
nice that some people are getting some benefit out of my settings and
are brave enough to report it.
I was hoping someone would be able to experiment further to see if there
were other benefits
Kellen wrote:
Sorry but I still am not understating (maybe its my English). Does the
Touch have a 192 worthy DAC in it that qualifys and can I download and
install this app with my USB stick if I don't have my Touch on the
internet.
Thanks
Touch dac up to 96.
Need internet to load
Lar wrote:
I am having problems playing 192/24 bit files. I have EDO as well as TT
3.0, and was able to play the files before, but now when i try 192/24
files i get this gurgled sound, barley audible, 96/24 plays with no
problem, I am using coaxial out to a Emotiva XDA 1 Dac. I posted in
NoFlyZone wrote:
Been awhile since I've visited the Squeezebox forum. Hi.
Please be patient with me as I'm not getting the picture regarding how
the Touch interfaces with an outboard DAC and a computer.
To start with, I used to own (still do in fact) a Squeezebox 3 and a
Transporter. I
Kellen wrote:
I read through a dozen or so pages but don't have time to read onward
so, just to clarify, does this app allow the Touch to playback 192 files
via its analog outputs or does it simply allow the Touch's digital out
to send out 192?
Another (silly) ?, where do I download this
NoRoDa wrote:
Is SBGK getting results? How do you know that? Just 'cause he says so?
He doesn't need a resolving system, why do we then?
To find out if your system is more or less resolving, first try to find
out if the differences are in your head or in the sound coming from your
stop-spinning wrote:
I ask this because some are saying that putting a re-clocker (such as
the so called excellent ones from Empirical Audio) make a huge
improvement to the SQ of the Touch. This, to me, means that the clocks
in the SBT are not of hi-end quality so an intermediary device such
diego wrote:
Hi there. I got it working now, following the reverse order. Tried to
apply touchtoomuch.wordpress.com 's settings, which did not work though.
After appyling them, the server did not even reconginze the player
anymore. Luckily I had backed up the original settings files (I mean
SBGK wrote:
Must apologise Triode, have found the solution to the high frequency
problem.
I cut the screen on the usb cable connecting the Touch and the VLink
192, instant removal of issue I had been having with 0.7 + better bass.
(note it was the screen and not any of the 4 wires) So
SBGK wrote:
calibrating the sound against foobar2000 with jplay kernel output vs the
edo mods + tt3.0 +sbgk (both using mf vlink 192) I think you need to
have the bass of 0.5 and the detail of 0.6.
You could have something really special here, but as you cannot here any
difference
calibrating the sound against foobar2000 with jplay kernel output vs the
edo mods + tt3.0 +sbgk (both using mf vlink 192) I think you need to
have the bass of 0.5 and the detail of 0.6.
You could have something really special here, but as you cannot here any
difference between 0.6 and 0.7
Triode wrote:
See the thread in the audiophile forum - there is no point of using the
very large setting for spdif as the large one is already larger than the
spdif interface driver supports.
apart from the fact that myself and others find it improves the SQ, so
it is at least worth a try.
Triode wrote:
Please read the audiophile forum thread and restart squeezeplay so you
see what the actual buffer settings are - there is no change with spdif
to the actual buffer settings which get used.
what about these period and buffer sizes below, they change.
/usr/bin$ cat
Triode wrote:
The only changes are the additional buffer options and the bypass of the
defined buffer size if you use a sample rate which needs resampling - so
can't see how it will sound different. You can manually download the
file from my google code page and unzip the old version, but I
Triode wrote:
Please read the audiophile forum thread especially this post:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?94855-Triode-s-USB-24-192-plug-in-sound-quality-impressionsp=705120viewfull=1#post705120
These very large settings don't do anything for the spdif driver.
Please also
Triode wrote:
You should be able to access /sys/module/snd_usb_audio/parameters/ as
with other linux kernels. Was the previous experience with async usb
dacs or adaptive ones and did you have a usb isolator in the link?
Its the same as the standard Logitech kernel in this respect -
I prefer the sound of 0.6, 0.7 seems to be a backward step in my system
as it seems more forward and digital in sound. Is it possible for me to
switch back to 0.6 ?
cheers
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Have had the MF V-Link 192 for a couple of days, it is an order of
magnitude better in terms of resolution than the Sp/dif out from the
Touch (even after Fidelity Audio clock mod)
so congratulations to Triode for all the hard work.
However, I find the base EDO setup to be quite thin sounding
Triode wrote:
New version of app released with the following changes:
- potentially reduced stutter for 176/192k playback by delaying start of
playback for these sample rates until the output buffer has reached
greater fill
- support low sample rates of internet radio streams by falling
Triode wrote:
It will overwrite it, but the new one should be more similar to the
original unless you play with the experiemental settings...
Am trying large buffers and randomise CPU. Do you have any more detail
about what randomise CPU means ?
SBGK wrote:
Am trying large buffers and randomise CPU. Do you have any more detail
about what randomise CPU means ?
Triode,
Looks like we both came up with the idea of alsa buffer of 10 and
period count of 4 at the same time. Well, I came up with it a month or
so ago.
Still sounds best
Don't like the random cpu setting - too digital sounding, so have it
back at large buffers, except have it set to 9.
The sound does seem to have extra fidelity though, so well done again.
Haven't played long enough to check for Touch seizure issues such as
rgro had.
Veovis wrote:
Ok, tested 88,2 and 196. Both work fine with the V-Link 196 fed from the
USB port of the Touch (the right indicators light up and no problems
with sound). 24/196 did not work before letting the Touch decode the
flac file though. It played much too slow when the server decoded
Veovis wrote:
Just tested 0,5 with Musical Fidelity V-link 192. Works like a charm.
Have yet do decide whether SQ is better than through W7, J River ansd
Wasapi though.
Thx for the effort!
Hi,
did you test for all sample rates ?
Triode wrote:
Yep - I have a test version of jive_alsa which does something similar
(it is actually the place where the outputThreshold is used, so it can
be set to ignore the value sent from the server for high sample rates)
Will publish soon for test [only held off as it has a few other
Triode wrote:
Can you collect the output of /proc/asound/card/stream0 and
/var/log/messages with audio.codec audio.output and audio.decode
debugging enabled? at the start of playback of each bitrate. Does touch
think it is the right rate or not?
Hi,
here is the output from above
I can
Triode wrote:
All should work and others have reported success, but I don't know this
device - what does the sample rate reported on the settings audio
output dac screen show?
Hi,
Reinstalled the firmware back to 7.6 and then upgraded to 7.7.2 to
ensure everything was off the Touch, then
Triode wrote:
Yep - I have a test version of jive_alsa which does something similar
(it is actually the place where the outputThreshold is used, so it can
be set to ignore the value sent from the server for high sample rates)
Will publish soon for test [only held off as it has a few other
Triode wrote:
That's interesting - what I am working on was intended to experiment
with something which I reason may impact sound quality - I will bring to
the audiophile board soon. I don't have time to discuss much more now,
but wanted to warn you that I have seen cases of this jive_alsa
think I have solved the stutter at track changes for 24/192 uncompressed
flacs by changing the $outputThreshold setting from 20 to 100 eg
# Threshold the output buffer for high sample-rate flac.
if ( $track ) {
if ( $track-samplerate() $track-samplerate() = 88200 ) {
$outputThreshold = 20;
}
}
Thanks for the info.
Can confirm the Mhdt Labs USBridge performs flawlessly with the EDO
mods, sound quality superior to anything I have heard out of the Touch
before.
I was getting a bit despondent as I was using the MHDT USBridge with
XXHighend as a reference source and I couldn't get the
Hi,
am using the Mhdt USBridge which has C-Media's CM6631 usb chip.
wav files of 24/48 play ok
wav files of 16/44.1 play fast
flac files of 24/192 play slow
Is there anything I can try to get the different sample rates to play
correctly, apart from resampling or is it an issue with the EDO
Baronvonkarp wrote:
Thanks SBGK for all the settings, but for some reason I cannot find any
of the files you are mentioning. I have tried all the locations
Are these maybe hidden folders?
have you rebooted the touch aftr installing EDO, that should free up the
access to the folders
Baronvonkarp wrote:
Thanks for the information, but I cannot find the files you mentioned. I
de-installed EDO en re-installed it again, but I still cannot find those
files. Triode do you have any idea why I cannot find these files?
To save Triodes thread getting any more off topic can you PM
Baronvonkarp wrote:
What is PM? I am not so technical ;-) I have looked for several things,
but I did not find the way to adjust the buffers etc...
I have seen it used in online forums as a way of notifying posters that
a personal message (PM) has been sent and that they can pick it up in
Baronvonkarp wrote:
Maybe a strange question, but where do I change these settings?
Baron you have PM
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JohnSwenson wrote:
That should be impossible, the factory reset completely gets rid of
anything changed from the raw firmware image. How did you initiate the
factory reset? Did you get the message on the screen that settings were
being reset? If yes then there is something wrong with the
Baronvonkarp wrote:
When I start a 24/192 song it starts correctly, after 5 to 10 seconds it
stops one second (no sound) and after that it continuous. When I listen
to the whole album everything goes fine (except for the first song). But
when I skip to the next song () then it happends
Dave1972 wrote:
Thanks for the reply Triode, and sorry for harping on with this question
but I'm seeking absolute clarity so I'll rephrase the question. Could
you (or anyone) clarify for me please: are there possibly any
-unintended- benefits when playing 24/96 and 24/88.2 files? Again, I'm
SBGK wrote:
I have uncompressed a 192 flac to uncompressed flac using dbpoweramp
(148 mb to 274 mb) ie it is PCM with a flac wrapper and it plays via
your fantastic mod.
checked the network and it is streaming at 10Mbs vs 4 Mbs for the 192
flac so it is definatley playing
hi,
have changed the cpuIdleFullspeed=true to false as it was giving an
enhanced and unnatural high frequency sound, think this was caused by
jitter produced by the cpu running
flat out. Sound is now a lot better balanced and bass has returned as
well.
it is a switch that you describe in your install instructions and can
only be set through your gui, so it is hardly a tweak.
you said you didn't know if it had any effect on the sound, well now you
do.
this is an attempt to provide you with feedback, others may be
interested in these findings
triode,
your digital out mod has made a fantastic difference to the sound
quality I am getting via sp/dif to a benchmark dac1 so it must be doing
something beneficial for sp/dif.
You say these mods are aimed at usb dacs, does this mean there are
further gains to be had if you did a sp/dif
Triode wrote:
Can we keep claims of improvements via parameter tweaks to the to the
audiophile board please. I would also suggest reading up on what the
parameter does before posting such as this. [In this case it is
implemented in AppletManger.lua - which if you read you will find it
Stunning sound quality out of the box, didn't realise it affected all
resolutions until I saw HumanMedia's post
Have added in TT3.0 and my own tweaks and sound is unbelievable. Haven't
tried 192 yet, but just 44.1 and 96 sounds superb. Surprised Logitech
allowed you to release it, it must blow
Hi Triode
I get better sound quality with the following change to loadPriority in
file loadPriority.lua
/usr/share/jive/applets/EnhancedDigitalOutput/loadPriority.lua
loadPriority=1
sounds less harsh and thin.
SBGK's
I have some 192 files and have downsampled them to 96 to play them with
as wav files. Will I be able to tell the difference in sound quality if
playing them natively at 192 ?
after reading the link below I am confused about whether I would hear
any difference and also whether I am hearing any
and it will be passed through to the spdif output
without being transcoded ?
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