Waldo Pepper wrote:
Then you learned alot but understood nothing. They are represented down
a piece of wire as zero volts and probably 5v. It would have to be a
pretty long and noisy wire for there to be any discrepency. At bit rates
encountered in baseband digital audio, characteristic
lovejoy wrote:
Technobable? Maybe to you.. To me, transmission lines studied to MEng
level. And I ask you.. If it is just 0s and 1s, how do you think are
they represented down the length of a piece of cable?
!
Then you learned alot but understood nothing. They are represented down
a
lovejoy wrote:
it is an analogue carrier modulating small changes in voltages
representing binary information),
No it's not. There is not an analogue carrier. There would be no
advantage whatsoever of imposing a digital signal on a carrier on 2 foot
of wire. It's simply ones and noughts
Viventis wrote:
Wow! I am so sorry to disagree, but what I have just read sounds like a
bunch of techno-babble published by the manufacturers of high end cables
to attempt to justify their exorbitant prices.
Digital is binary. Binary is a sequence of 0's and 1's. If 100
different
ralphpnj wrote:
Luckily I still have most of my old (and some new) vinyl and a very good
vinyl front end. Nowhere near as handy as good hi-rez digital versions
(whatever their source - vinyl rip or studio master) but vinyl can often
sound very good indeed.
My buddy who turned me onto
Lo,
At 00:35 31/07/2012, you wrote:
trott3r wrote:
But with a bit of googling consumers are realising that they can get a
24bit
96khz high res rip from vinyl that hasn't been butchered by the
loudness
wars. Thus the monopoly falls (at least for older music).
Martin
Luckily I still have
lovejoy wrote:
I tend to avoid the vast majority of stuff that carries the word
'remastered' as it seems to be an excuse just to make everything LOUD
and completely sap the life and dynamics out of a recording - the only
exception to this I can think of has been the Nick Drake albums which
trott3r wrote:
They still are holding on to the 80s and early 90s model of them acting
as a monopoly.
I think at this point it is the iTunes store that is closer to a
monopoly than any of the record companies.
trott3r wrote:
Yes that was my point it will sound just as bad.
My point is i
Lo,
At 23:03 30/07/2012, you wrote:
trott3r wrote:
They still are holding on to the 80s and early 90s model of them acting
as a monopoly.
I think at this point it is the iTunes store that is closer to a
monopoly than any of the record companies.
Yes I suppose so.
I tend to forget about
trott3r wrote:
But with a bit of googling consumers are realising that they can get a
24bit
96khz high res rip from vinyl that hasn't been butchered by the
loudness
wars. Thus the monopoly falls (at least for older music).
Martin
Luckily I still have most of my old (and some new) vinyl
Viventis wrote:
I asked a question in the Triode, Digital Enhancement App thread as to
whether the app would allow the transmission of 24bit/192kHz through
toslink or spdif cables. The response I received is that it would, so
long as my receiver's DAC could handle it. Fortunately, my
lovejoy wrote:
Will it do 24/192 over USB? My Audiolab will only do up to 24/96 over
USB as it's a class 1 USB device, but will do 24/192 over coax. The main
problem at the moment is having anything meaningful to listen to at
24/192 - The only recording I currently have at this rate is
Lo,
At 10:25 27/07/2012, you wrote:
lovejoy wrote:
Will it do 24/192 over USB? My Audiolab will only do up to 24/96 over
USB as it's a class 1 USB device, but will do 24/192 over coax. The main
problem at the moment is having anything meaningful to listen to at
24/192 - The only recording
The loudness wars (look on youtube if you are not aware of it) also
ruins music.
I got hold of a dvd audio copy of suedes eponymous album and it was
heavily
compressed with a lower dynamic range rating than the original CD
release (dr9).
stupid!
Martin N
Running MorphOS
Lo,
At 14:13 27/07/2012, you wrote:
The loudness wars (look on youtube if you are not aware of it) also
ruins music.
I got hold of a dvd audio copy of suedes eponymous album and it was
heavily
compressed with a lower dynamic range rating than the original CD
release (dr9).
stupid!
Viventis wrote:
Wow! I am so sorry to disagree, but what I have just read sounds like a
bunch of techno-babble published by the manufacturers of high end cables
to attempt to justify their exorbitant prices.
Digital is binary. Binary is a sequence of 0's and 1's. If 100
different
As I said at the bottom of my message, just posting my *EXPERIENCE*
based upon many hours of listening and enjoying or not enjoying music.
If you can't hear any difference then all the best to you, you've
achieved the best sound for your system and I'm jealous and wish you all
the best. But don't
ralphpnj wrote:
Double WOW - you are making way too much sense and common sense and
science are most definitely NOT welcome in any modern audio forum. Plus
my post should be number 8 and so far no one has told the OP that the
USB modification is the ONLY way to go, after all with this mod
Well I got my Touch yesterday. Had already setup LMS over the weekend
and was able to get to it from the web browser, all indexing had been
done.
Due to where I wanted to located the Touch, I ended up using coax since
that's all I had around that was long enough. Because of the location of
the
lovejoy wrote:
As I said at the bottom of my message, just posting my *EXPERIENCE*
based upon many hours of listening and enjoying or not enjoying music.
If you can't hear any difference then all the best to you, you've
achieved the best sound for your system and I'm jealous and wish you all
saeyedoc wrote:
Due to where I wanted to located the Touch, I ended up using coax since
that's all I had around that was long enough. Because of the location of
the router, I have the touch hooked up with ethernet and the server
using wifi.
I take by the above quote that your setup is
ralphpnj wrote:
I take by the above quote that your setup is something like this:
Server running LMS wifi router ethernet (cat 5) Touch coax
Anthem MRX300
Yes?
Since everything is working fine and sounds great - congratulations!
Should you start to experience any problems,
ralphpnj wrote:
Oh my what an awful burden it must be to be born with a pair of golden
ears. Just thinking about it makes me want to weep.
It's a curse. Oh to be able to enjoy music as much from a tinny micro
system ;-).
Look I consider myself somewhat of an audiophile but that does not
lovejoy wrote:
It's a curse. Oh to be able to enjoy music as much from a tinny micro
system ;-).
I agree with the vast majority of what you say except for the
transmission method. This is where the *BIG* differences happen.
SPDIF/TOSLINK are both a massive fudge - always have been and
lovejoy wrote:
It's a curse. Oh to be able to enjoy music as much from a tinny micro
system ;-).
That's is the rub! Music can be enjoyed using an iPod boombox but if one
wants to immerse oneself fully into the music then a somewhat nicer
playback system is needed.
lovejoy wrote:
I agree
saeyedoc wrote:
It's reasonable to assume that there may be measurable differences, but
are they audible? That's the real question. It's different in a pro
setting where you don't want to propagate those small errors, they could
add up to something audible eventually.
Is it audible in the
ralphpnj wrote:
On my other Squeezebox to external DAC setups I've simply learned to
live with these less than perfect means of digital data transmission.
Same here, I love my Squeezebox and for a good session discovering new
music via Spotify or some internet radio, nothing comes close.
I asked a question in the Triode, Digital Enhancement App thread as to
whether the app would allow the transmission of 24bit/192kHz through
toslink or spdif cables. The response I received is that it would, so
long as my receiver's DAC could handle it. Fortunately, my Onkyo 809
has a DAC that
saeyedoc wrote:
It's reasonable to assume that there may be measurable differences, but
are they audible? That's the real question. It's different in a pro
setting where you don't want to propagate those small errors, they could
add up to something audible eventually.
Here is something else
Wow! I am so sorry to disagree, but what I have just read sounds like a
bunch of techno-babble published by the manufacturers of high end cables
to attempt to justify their exorbitant prices.
Binary is 0's and 1's. If 100 different cables transmit the exact same
sequence of 0's and 1's to your
Viventis wrote:
There should be no difference at all. Digital is digital. Your
receiver's DAC will decode each the same. The big difference is in the
Touch's analog output. The DAC in the Touch is excellent, even better
than that found in many receivers.
I beg to differ. Getting the 1s
saeyedoc wrote:
I searched but couldn't find anything on this.
Have been lurking for a few months, looking for a better solution to
play a 2TB HD with mostly Flac, have been using my Oppo 93.
Jumped on the sale at Vann's the other day, ordered a Touch.
My plan is to hook it up via digital
saeyedoc wrote:
My plan is to hook it up via digital to my Anthem MRX300 and use the
analog output to eventually run a second zone outdoors.
Is there any difference in quality between the Toslink and coax digital
outputs?
Thanks
As garym suggested, trying both with your equipment is
There should be no difference at all. Digital is digital. Your
receiver's DAC will decode each the same. The big difference is in the
Touch's analog output. The DAC in the Touch is excellent, even better
than that found in many receivers.
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